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Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they
flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected. Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them. K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
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from "K" contains these words: I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected. Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them. I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, which might sprout. I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest that it's susceptible. I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived recent frosts. Janet G |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
"Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in message ... : The message : from "K" contains these words: : : I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they : flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the : compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently : started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard : frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected. : Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a : chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first : clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them. : : I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a : bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, : which might sprout. : : I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On : Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she : says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered : site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't : specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest : that it's susceptible. : : I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby : plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived : recent frosts. : : Janet G : Thanks, Janet. I also read Rachel's comments and had compared it to other info I have read. At the time I thought mine was OK as it had survived what I call winter frosts, but it obviously got caught by the early spring ones. K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. Keith (West London) "K" wrote in message ... "Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson" wrote in message ... : The message : from "K" contains these words: : : I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they : flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the : compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently : started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard : frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected. : Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a : chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first : clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them. : : I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a : bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, : which might sprout. : : I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On : Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she : says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered : site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't : specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest : that it's susceptible. : : I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby : plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived : recent frosts. : : Janet G : Thanks, Janet. I also read Rachel's comments and had compared it to other info I have read. At the time I thought mine was OK as it had survived what I call winter frosts, but it obviously got caught by the early spring ones. K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
"Keith" wrote in message ... : Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow : and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. : Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble : with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. : : Keith (West London) : ' My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent frosty nights and warm days. 'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one? K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, which might sprout. I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest that it's susceptible. I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived recent frosts. Janet G Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the mean time remove all dead and dying bits. -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
"Charlie Pridham" wrote in message ... : : : I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a : bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, : which might sprout. : : I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On : Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she : says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered : site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't : specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest : that it's susceptible. : : I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby : plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived : recent frosts. : : Janet G : : Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this : variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than : other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing : in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the : mean time remove all dead and dying bits. : : -- : Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. : http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk : Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) Thanks, Charlie, you've given me hope. I shall remove its brown bits tomorrow. K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
The message
from "Keith" contains these words: Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. Keith (West London) I have C. cirrhosa 'Freckles' in quite an exposed position and, although it tends to look a bit rough at this time of the year, it grws vigorously and has never been too affected by frost. I hadn't really realised it's reckoned to be tender. Is it on a par with C. Sieboldii? Does this imply that if one of them prospers in a particular garden, then the other is likely to as well? Janet G |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
The message
from "Charlie Pridham" contains these words: I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest that it's susceptible. I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived recent frosts. Janet G Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the mean time remove all dead and dying bits. Do you mean it just dwindled? If it doesn't prosper in Cornawall, then I wouldn't have thought there's much hope for the rest of us! Janet G |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
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Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson wrote: The message from "Keith" contains these words: Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. I have C. cirrhosa 'Freckles' in quite an exposed position and, although it tends to look a bit rough at this time of the year, it grws vigorously and has never been too affected by frost. I grew it for a while, but it never thrived and flowered miserably, so I got rid of it. It didn't seem worried by frost, though we had no hard winters (for Cambridge) during the time I grew it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
I'm more worried about Freckles overrunning it's supporting bush than dying
out at the moment. When I planted it I was expecting it to lose most of its growth to frost and cold winds in the winter but it's been fine. A bit of snow hasn't done it any harm and it's now started producing new growth all over. I have been watering it a little because it's been dry for so long, but apart from that it's left to its own devices. By way of contrast, I think Dr Ruppel has succumbed to snail attack. When I lifted it's stones up to see why it wasnt growing there was a family of very fat snails and no bark/shoots left. Maybe it will recover. Keith. "K" wrote in message ... "Keith" wrote in message ... : Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow : and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. : Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble : with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. : : Keith (West London) : ' My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent frosty nights and warm days. 'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one? K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
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Pridham writes I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, which might sprout. I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest that it's susceptible. I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived recent frosts. Janet G Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the mean time remove all dead and dying bits. Sorry peeps - better late than never. It's That Time Of Year and I have disappeared under thousands of clematis. waves vigorously Sieboldii (and its double friend, alba plena) - I find them both weak growing but stunning. I am convinced that buying a good sized strong plant, enjoying the months of flowers & then accepting that it's not likely to make it through the winter is the best thing to do with this. It's just a weak grower and even if it makes it through one winter it often doesn't survive the next (outside that is). Conservatory/greenhouse is the best place for it which is how we keep ours (outside in summer). The one I forgot about and left in the unheated tunnel all winter is very sad now even though it was a big strong plant in a 4 litre pot. It doesn't mean it's not worth growing - if you compare the cost with, say, a huge bunch of flowers, it's worth it for the pleasure they give - our big plants last year flowered from June to September. Malcolm Oviatt-Ham, (clematis growing friend) says he saw it growing wild in the southern islands of Japan (my geography is weak) where it flourished like the montanas do here. I think we're just a bit too northern (even down south). I certainly wish advertisers were more honest with this plant. Ever year you see it in magazines and never a word about it's weak constitution. Re. the one that got frosted - hope for shoots underneath & give it time. It's early yet for a seiboldii and although the weather is lovely, the light levels aren't the same as they are in May - and that makes a huge difference to growth. We must love it despite the challenges - siboldii was introduced in the 1830's, and alba plena in the 1770's. -- Rachel |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
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writes "Keith" wrote in message ... : Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow : and the frost and is now growing pretty fast. : Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble : with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties. : : Keith (West London) : ' My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent frosty nights and warm days. 'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one? Not as difficult as sieboldii. It seems to be like most of the evergreens - unpredictable. It's not as hardy as armandii, but OK on a sheltered wall - though I know it tolerates poorer conditions than that perfectly well ... if it feels helpful. :) -- Rachel Clematis Web Site http://www.ukclematis.co.uk/ |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
"Rachel Sullivan" wrote in message ... : In article , Charlie : Pridham writes : : : I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a : bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost, : which might sprout. : : I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On : Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she : says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered : site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't : specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest : that it's susceptible. : : I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby : plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived : recent frosts. : : Janet G : : Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this : variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than : other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing : in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the : mean time remove all dead and dying bits. : : : Sorry peeps - better late than never. It's That Time Of Year and I have : disappeared under thousands of clematis. waves vigorously : : Sieboldii (and its double friend, alba plena) - I find them both weak : growing but stunning. I am convinced that buying a good sized strong : plant, enjoying the months of flowers & then accepting that it's not : likely to make it through the winter is the best thing to do with this. : It's just a weak grower and even if it makes it through one winter it : often doesn't survive the next (outside that is). : : Conservatory/greenhouse is the best place for it which is how we keep : ours (outside in summer). The one I forgot about and left in the : unheated tunnel all winter is very sad now even though it was a big : strong plant in a 4 litre pot. : : It doesn't mean it's not worth growing - if you compare the cost with, : say, a huge bunch of flowers, it's worth it for the pleasure they give - : our big plants last year flowered from June to September. Malcolm : Oviatt-Ham, (clematis growing friend) says he saw it growing wild in the : southern islands of Japan (my geography is weak) where it flourished : like the montanas do here. I think we're just a bit too northern (even : down south). I certainly wish advertisers were more honest with this : plant. Ever year you see it in magazines and never a word about it's : weak constitution. : : Re. the one that got frosted - hope for shoots underneath & give it : time. It's early yet for a seiboldii and although the weather is : lovely, the light levels aren't the same as they are in May - and that : makes a huge difference to growth. : : We must love it despite the challenges - siboldii was introduced in the : 1830's, and alba plena in the 1770's. : : -- : Rachel Thanks very much, Rachel, for your detailed answer. I was the one whose sieboldii is frosted. I agree that it would be helpful if advertisers were more honest. I seem to remember I got them (3) as a special offer from T & M, I think. It's taught me a lesson to buy from the specialists in future!! It must be wonderful to see them growing in the wild in Japan Perhaps I'll get there one day - it's on the list. I didn't realise it was as old as that - I assumed it was a fairly new introduction as it seems to be advertised everywhere now. Perhaps because it is short lived, people fall in love with it and will buy it again. K |
Will my clematis sieboldii survive?
Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the mean time remove all dead and dying bits. Do you mean it just dwindled? If it doesn't prosper in Cornawall, then I wouldn't have thought there's much hope for the rest of us! Janet G Its a plant that seems to like the quiet life! so a windy place like Cornwall doesn't suit it, but also the lack of summer heat and lack of winter cold don't help. But the main reason I stopped growing it was that it didn't earn its keep, my plants have to provide me a living from cuttings, it didn't so wasn't replaced :~) (it is hard to strike and has a high loss rate growing on, hence its relatively high price) I figure if the person selling the plant can't grow it, it doesn't give the customer much of a chance! -- Charlie, gardening in Cornwall. http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs) |
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