I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they
flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the
compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently
started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard
frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected.
Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a
chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first
clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them.

K

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I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they
flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the
compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently
started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite hard
frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been affected.
Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there a
chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first
clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them.

I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
which might sprout.

I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
that it's susceptible.

I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
recent frosts.

Janet G

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: from "K" contains these words:
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: I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and they
: flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the
: compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently
: started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few quite
hard
: frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been
affected.
: Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is there
a
: chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first
: clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them.
:
: I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
: bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
: which might sprout.
:
: I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
: Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
: says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
: site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
: specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
: that it's susceptible.
:
: I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
: plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
: recent frosts.
:
: Janet G
:
Thanks, Janet. I also read Rachel's comments and had compared it to other
info I have read. At the time I thought mine was OK as it had survived what
I call winter frosts, but it obviously got caught by the early spring ones.

K

Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble
with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.

Keith (West London)


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: from "K" contains these words:
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: I planed 3 of the above in a large earthenware pot last spring and
they
: flowered beautifully on their support. For the winter, I covered the
: compost with a black membrane and bark chippings and they had recently
: started to sprout new leaves. A couple of weeks ago we had a few
quite
hard
: frosts here in outer London and I notice the new shoots have been
affected.
: Now I've just got a brown straggly mess. Have I lost them, or is
there
a
: chance they will shoot again? They were so pretty and were the first
: clematis I have tried in a container so I would hate to lose them.
:
: I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
: bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
: which might sprout.
:
: I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
: Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
: says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
: site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
: specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
: that it's susceptible.
:
: I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
: plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
: recent frosts.
:
: Janet G
:
Thanks, Janet. I also read Rachel's comments and had compared it to other
info I have read. At the time I thought mine was OK as it had survived
what
I call winter frosts, but it obviously got caught by the early spring
ones.

K

"Keith" wrote in message
...
: Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
: and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
: Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble
: with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.
:
: Keith (West London)
:
'
My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent
frosty nights and warm days.

'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one?

K

I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
which might sprout.

I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
that it's susceptible.

I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
recent frosts.

Janet G

Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing
in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the
mean time remove all dead and dying bits.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

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:
:
: I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
: bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
: which might sprout.
:
: I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
: Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
: says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
: site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
: specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
: that it's susceptible.
:
: I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
: plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
: recent frosts.
:
: Janet G
:
: Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
: variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
: other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing
: in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In
the
: mean time remove all dead and dying bits.
:
: --
: Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
: http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
: Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)

Thanks, Charlie, you've given me hope. I shall remove its brown bits
tomorrow.

K

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from "Keith" contains these words:

Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble
with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.

Keith (West London)


I have C. cirrhosa 'Freckles' in quite an exposed position and, although
it tends to look a bit rough at this time of the year, it grws
vigorously and has never been too affected by frost.

I hadn't really realised it's reckoned to be tender. Is it on a par with
C. Sieboldii? Does this imply that if one of them prospers in a
particular garden, then the other is likely to as well?

Janet G

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from "Charlie Pridham" contains these words:


I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
that it's susceptible.

I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
recent frosts.

Janet G

Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing
in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the
mean time remove all dead and dying bits.

Do you mean it just dwindled?
If it doesn't prosper in Cornawall, then I wouldn't have thought there's
much hope for the rest of us!

Janet G

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Janet Galpin and Oliver Patterson wrote:
The message
from "Keith" contains these words:

Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble
with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.

I have C. cirrhosa 'Freckles' in quite an exposed position and, although
it tends to look a bit rough at this time of the year, it grws
vigorously and has never been too affected by frost.

I grew it for a while, but it never thrived and flowered miserably,
so I got rid of it. It didn't seem worried by frost, though we had
no hard winters (for Cambridge) during the time I grew it.

Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

I'm more worried about Freckles overrunning it's supporting bush than dying
out at the moment.

When I planted it I was expecting it to lose most of its growth to frost and
cold winds in the winter but it's been fine. A bit of snow hasn't done it
any harm and it's now started producing new growth all over. I have been
watering it a little because it's been dry for so long, but apart from that
it's left to its own devices.

By way of contrast, I think Dr Ruppel has succumbed to snail attack. When I
lifted it's stones up to see why it wasnt growing there was a family of
very fat snails and no bark/shoots left. Maybe it will recover.

Keith.



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"Keith" wrote in message
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: Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the
snow
: and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
: Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more
trouble
: with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.
:
: Keith (West London)
:
'
My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent
frosty nights and warm days.

'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one?

K

In article , Charlie
Pridham writes


I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with a
bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
which might sprout.

I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
that it's susceptible.

I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
recent frosts.

Janet G

Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice. growing
in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In the
mean time remove all dead and dying bits.


Sorry peeps - better late than never. It's That Time Of Year and I have
disappeared under thousands of clematis. waves vigorously

Sieboldii (and its double friend, alba plena) - I find them both weak
growing but stunning. I am convinced that buying a good sized strong
plant, enjoying the months of flowers & then accepting that it's not
likely to make it through the winter is the best thing to do with this.
It's just a weak grower and even if it makes it through one winter it
often doesn't survive the next (outside that is).

Conservatory/greenhouse is the best place for it which is how we keep
ours (outside in summer). The one I forgot about and left in the
unheated tunnel all winter is very sad now even though it was a big
strong plant in a 4 litre pot.

It doesn't mean it's not worth growing - if you compare the cost with,
say, a huge bunch of flowers, it's worth it for the pleasure they give -
our big plants last year flowered from June to September. Malcolm
Oviatt-Ham, (clematis growing friend) says he saw it growing wild in the
southern islands of Japan (my geography is weak) where it flourished
like the montanas do here. I think we're just a bit too northern (even
down south). I certainly wish advertisers were more honest with this
plant. Ever year you see it in magazines and never a word about it's
weak constitution.

Re. the one that got frosted - hope for shoots underneath & give it
time. It's early yet for a seiboldii and although the weather is
lovely, the light levels aren't the same as they are in May - and that
makes a huge difference to growth.

We must love it despite the challenges - siboldii was introduced in the
1830's, and alba plena in the 1770's.

--
Rachel

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writes

"Keith" wrote in message
...
: Mine is in a big pot underneath an evergreen bush. It's survived the snow
: and the frost and is now growing pretty fast.
: Even c. cirrhosa 'Freckles' is doing pretty well. I'm having more trouble
: with the normal hybrids than the difficult to grow varieties.
:
: Keith (West London)
:
'
My sieboldii survived the snow, too. It didn't seem to like the recent
frosty nights and warm days.

'Freckles' is next on my list to try. Is it a particularly difficult one?


Not as difficult as sieboldii. It seems to be like most of the
evergreens - unpredictable. It's not as hardy as armandii, but OK on a
sheltered wall - though I know it tolerates poorer conditions than that
perfectly well ... if it feels helpful.

--
Rachel
Clematis Web Site
http://www.ukclematis.co.uk/

"Rachel Sullivan" wrote in message
...
: In article , Charlie
: Pridham writes
:
:
: I don't know the answer to the question, I'm afraid, except that, with
a
: bit of luck, there might be more buds below the surface of the compost,
: which might sprout.
:
: I'm interested in the hardiness of C. sieboldii generally as well. On
: Rachel Sullivan's excellent website, (http://www.ukclematis.co.uk) she
: says that Clematis florida 'Sieboldii' needs a "very sheltered
: site/conservatory". In one or two other places I've looked it doesn't
: specify so much protection, but obviously your experiences too suggest
: that it's susceptible.
:
: I wonder whether Rachel or anyone else can comment more fully? My baby
: plant is standing outside at the moment and seems to have survived
: recent frosts.
:
: Janet G
:
: Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
: variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
: other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice.
growing
: in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In
the
: mean time remove all dead and dying bits.
:
:
: Sorry peeps - better late than never. It's That Time Of Year and I have
: disappeared under thousands of clematis. waves vigorously
:
: Sieboldii (and its double friend, alba plena) - I find them both weak
: growing but stunning. I am convinced that buying a good sized strong
: plant, enjoying the months of flowers & then accepting that it's not
: likely to make it through the winter is the best thing to do with this.
: It's just a weak grower and even if it makes it through one winter it
: often doesn't survive the next (outside that is).
:
: Conservatory/greenhouse is the best place for it which is how we keep
: ours (outside in summer). The one I forgot about and left in the
: unheated tunnel all winter is very sad now even though it was a big
: strong plant in a 4 litre pot.
:
: It doesn't mean it's not worth growing - if you compare the cost with,
: say, a huge bunch of flowers, it's worth it for the pleasure they give -
: our big plants last year flowered from June to September. Malcolm
: Oviatt-Ham, (clematis growing friend) says he saw it growing wild in the
: southern islands of Japan (my geography is weak) where it flourished
: like the montanas do here. I think we're just a bit too northern (even
: down south). I certainly wish advertisers were more honest with this
: plant. Ever year you see it in magazines and never a word about it's
: weak constitution.
:
: Re. the one that got frosted - hope for shoots underneath & give it
: time. It's early yet for a seiboldii and although the weather is
: lovely, the light levels aren't the same as they are in May - and that
: makes a huge difference to growth.
:
: We must love it despite the challenges - siboldii was introduced in the
: 1830's, and alba plena in the 1770's.
:
: --
: Rachel

Thanks very much, Rachel, for your detailed answer. I was the one whose
sieboldii is frosted. I agree that it would be helpful if advertisers were
more honest. I seem to remember I got them (3) as a special offer from T &
M, I think. It's taught me a lesson to buy from the specialists in future!!
It must be wonderful to see them growing in the wild in Japan Perhaps I'll
get there one day - it's on the list. I didn't realise it was as old as
that - I assumed it was a fairly new introduction as it seems to be
advertised everywhere now. Perhaps because it is short lived, people fall
in love with it and will buy it again.

K

Hopefully Rachel will spot this thread because I gave up growing this
variety, It is not frost tender as such but seems a lot les robust than
other clematis and I would concur with the grow in Shelter advice.
growing
in a pot is fine and I would expect it to reshoot from below ground. In
the
mean time remove all dead and dying bits.

Do you mean it just dwindled?
If it doesn't prosper in Cornawall, then I wouldn't have thought there's
much hope for the rest of us!

Janet G

Its a plant that seems to like the quiet life! so a windy place like
Cornwall doesn't suit it, but also the lack of summer heat and lack of
winter cold don't help. But the main reason I stopped growing it was that it
didn't earn its keep, my plants have to provide me a living from cuttings,
it didn't so wasn't replaced :~) (it is hard to strike and has a high loss
rate growing on, hence its relatively high price) I figure if the person
selling the plant can't grow it, it doesn't give the customer much of a
chance!

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)