hi all - I'm new here, and a gardening beginner, so please go easy !
We've just bought our first house, complete with garden .. one of the
edges borders next door but instead of a fence I have the side of his
garage. He is happy for me to mount a trellis or 3 on the brickwork. I
am therefore looking for creepers that will grow happily on this north
facing wall.

I have space for 3 plants -
I like the look of the passion flower, but have read conflicting reports
about it being able to grow facing north - can anyone comment ??

I also like the look of the winter flowering jasmine - would this be
suitable ?? (I like the idea of having flowers all year round)

Can anyone comment on these, recommend any others or offer general
advise with regards to this 'problem' for someone who's only gardening
experience has been to grow windowsill herbs and chilis in a flat !

Finally, can anyone recommend an online retailers for the creepers - I
dont fancy starting from seed unless I have to....

NC wrote:
hi all - I'm new here, and a gardening beginner, so please go easy !
We've just bought our first house, complete with garden .. one of the
edges borders next door but instead of a fence I have the side of his
garage. He is happy for me to mount a trellis or 3 on the brickwork. I
am therefore looking for creepers that will grow happily on this north
facing wall.

I have space for 3 plants -
I like the look of the passion flower, but have read conflicting reports
about it being able to grow facing north - can anyone comment ??

I also like the look of the winter flowering jasmine - would this be
suitable ?? (I like the idea of having flowers all year round)

Can anyone comment on these, recommend any others or offer general
advise with regards to this 'problem' for someone who's only gardening
experience has been to grow windowsill herbs and chilis in a flat !

Finally, can anyone recommend an online retailers for the creepers - I
dont fancy starting from seed unless I have to....

Sorry.. forgot to add:
I'm in East Anglia (ipswich)
I dont want thorns or dodgy berries / fruit as the little one (still in
my wife's tummy) wouldn't be happy in years to come if his football
keeps getting burst or the berries make him sick ..!

"NC" wrote in message
...
NC wrote:
hi all - I'm new here, and a gardening beginner, so please go easy !
We've just bought our first house, complete with garden .. one of the
edges borders next door but instead of a fence I have the side of his
garage. He is happy for me to mount a trellis or 3 on the brickwork. I am
therefore looking for creepers that will grow happily on this north
facing wall.

I have space for 3 plants -
I like the look of the passion flower, but have read conflicting reports
about it being able to grow facing north - can anyone comment ??

I also like the look of the winter flowering jasmine - would this be
suitable ?? (I like the idea of having flowers all year round)

Can anyone comment on these, recommend any others or offer general advise
with regards to this 'problem' for someone who's only gardening
experience has been to grow windowsill herbs and chilis in a flat !

Finally, can anyone recommend an online retailers for the creepers - I
dont fancy starting from seed unless I have to....

Sorry.. forgot to add:
I'm in East Anglia (ipswich)
I dont want thorns or dodgy berries / fruit as the little one (still in my
wife's tummy) wouldn't be happy in years to come if his football keeps
getting burst or the berries make him sick ..!

Hydrangea petiolaris would be my favourite there are lots of others that
other folk will tell you about .
Nice pics here
http://www.floralimages.co.uk/phydrapetio.htm

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NC wrote:

Sorry.. forgot to add:
I'm in East Anglia (ipswich)
I dont want thorns or dodgy berries / fruit as the little one (still in
my wife's tummy) wouldn't be happy in years to come if his football
keeps getting burst or the berries make him sick ..!

Buncha pansies, that's what the younger generation are! What's wrong
with eddicating the b*ggers to look out for themselves?

Seriously. Children aren't half as dumb as their parents, and are
quite capable of learning from experience. Avoiding things that can
cause permanent damage without warning is one thing; avoiding anything
that might make them unhappy is another.

In terms of flowering climbers, you have clematis (most), honeysuckle
(the northern European ones), hydrangea and relatives, Akebia quinata,
WINTER jasmine, and precious little else. Don't bother with most of
the jasmines or passion flowers - they won't like it.

That being said, I do grow Passiflora incarnata on a north-east wall,
but it would do much better if I had a rain shadow facing south.


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

Buncha pansies, that's what the younger generation are! What's wrong
with eddicating the b*ggers to look out for themselves?

Seriously. Children aren't half as dumb as their parents, and are
quite capable of learning from experience. Avoiding things that can
cause permanent damage without warning is one thing; avoiding anything
that might make them unhappy is another.

A fair point ! But to be honest, I was less concerned about dodgy
berries ( as you sugest, eat once, puke once and never again!), and more
about thorns (always bursting my football on the roses as a kid used to
drive me mad!)

In terms of flowering climbers, you have clematis (most), honeysuckle
(the northern European ones), hydrangea and relatives, Akebia quinata,
WINTER jasmine, and precious little else. Don't bother with most of
the jasmines or passion flowers - they won't like it.

A quick google for Akebia quinata - looks lovely - and a search of the
groups suggests that it will grow quickly. Plus, there seem to be
serveral online places that sell them in pots ready to plant out.
Excellent - thanks.

One other question - the wall I will be covering is about 8m long. Will
I need 1, 2, 3 ... plants ? I really like the look of the Akebia, so I
dont think I will mix this with anything else... for now.

On 20/2/06 23:14, in article
, "NC" wrote:

snip

One other question - the wall I will be covering is about 8m long. Will
I need 1, 2, 3 ... plants ? I really like the look of the Akebia, so I
dont think I will mix this with anything else... for now.

But what will you look at when the Akebia is not flowering? ;-) Ours is
out now but will be well over in a few weeks. Grow it with something else
to prolong your interest.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
)

Sacha wrote:
On 20/2/06 23:14, in article
, "NC" wrote:

snip

One other question - the wall I will be covering is about 8m long. Will
I need 1, 2, 3 ... plants ? I really like the look of the Akebia, so I
dont think I will mix this with anything else... for now.


But what will you look at when the Akebia is not flowering? ;-) Ours is
out now but will be well over in a few weeks. Grow it with something else
to prolong your interest.

Ok - fair point.
Been looking at crocus.co.uk and I like the look of the Clematis Nelly
Moser. Maybe one of these, and an Akebia ?

Sorry, but I really dont like the look of the Hydrangeas you posted in
the other reply... I prefer something with more of a flower.

"Sacha" wrote in message
id...
On 20/2/06 23:14, in article
, "NC"
wrote:

snip

One other question - the wall I will be covering is about 8m long. Will
I need 1, 2, 3 ... plants ? I really like the look of the Akebia, so I
dont think I will mix this with anything else... for now.

But what will you look at when the Akebia is not flowering? ;-) Ours is
out now but will be well over in a few weeks. Grow it with something else
to prolong your interest.
--
Sacha
www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
South Devon
)


What your Akebia is in full song NOW. ? I hate you :-)
Mine on a south facing wall in W Yorks puts on a display of sorts in May.
I always find that the lovely flowers are masked by the foliage

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NC wrote:

A quick google for Akebia quinata - looks lovely - and a search of the
groups suggests that it will grow quickly. Plus, there seem to be
serveral online places that sell them in pots ready to plant out.

I wouldn't call it lovely, but it's quite a nice plant. If you
pass by my place (Cambridge), I could probably find the odd layered
in shoot. It's easy to propagate - stopping it is harder :-)


Regards,
Nick Maclaren.

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(NC) wrote:

and more about thorns (always bursting my football on the roses as a
kid used to drive me mad!)

The wall is your neighbours? If I were him, I'd *insist* you planted a
football deterrent!

Steve Harris - Cheltenham - Real address steve AT netservs DOT com
A useful bit of gardening software at http://www.netservs.com/garden/

The wall is your neighbours? If I were him, I'd *insist* you planted a
football deterrent!


But its a detatched garage wall - so no issue with the noise of banging
balls against it.

Nick Maclaren wrote:
In terms of flowering climbers, you have clematis (most), honeysuckle
(the northern European ones), hydrangea and relatives, Akebia quinata,
WINTER jasmine, and precious little else. Don't bother with most of
the jasmines or passion flowers - they won't like it.

You had suggested not long ago honeysuckles L. periclymenum and L.
japonica and the Clematis armandii (I feel like giving you a hand -
it's amazing how often you folks have to repeat yourself !).

In article , Nick Maclaren
writes

In terms of flowering climbers, you have clematis (most), honeysuckle
(the northern European ones), hydrangea and relatives, Akebia quinata,
WINTER jasmine, and precious little else. Don't bother with most of
the jasmines or passion flowers - they won't like it.

That being said, I do grow Passiflora incarnata on a north-east wall,
but it would do much better if I had a rain shadow facing south.



Climbers can also be substituted with things that can be grown against a
wall like chaenomeles, Mine's on a north wall and some flowers most of
the year, I just hack the bits off that grow forwards. Cut any growth to
about two or three buds seems to encourage flowering buds. Once that is
on the wall clematis will twine through it.
If it's someone else's wall I'd be very careful not to have anything
that might get out of hand or grow up into the roof of the garage like
ivies etc. He might move one day and the new neighbour may not be so
obliging!

Charlie Pridham gave several suggestions for good north facing clematis
which might be in the archives. They are worth a try.

Janet
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Janet Tweedy wrote:
Charlie Pridham gave several suggestions for good north facing clematis
which might be in the archives. They are worth a try.

There's a few: 'Mrs Cholmondeley', 'Nelly Moser', 'Perle d'Azur',
'Victoria' and any form the Viticella Group. My friend Rachel has a
nursery in cumbria ran with her parents. I was looking for one north
facing, with the name Penny in memory of a friend who died a few week
ago. Sadly couldn't find any but she suggested a rose, Penny Lane,
which is perfect. They are very helpful and friendly. Do check them
at:-

http://www.ukclematis.co.uk/

"La Puce" wrote in message
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Janet Tweedy wrote:
Charlie Pridham gave several suggestions for good north facing clematis
which might be in the archives. They are worth a try.

There's a few: 'Mrs Cholmondeley', 'Nelly Moser', 'Perle d'Azur',
'Victoria' and any form the Viticella Group. My friend Rachel has a
nursery in cumbria ran with her parents. I was looking for one north
facing, with the name Penny in memory of a friend who died a few week
ago. Sadly couldn't find any but she suggested a rose, Penny Lane,
which is perfect. They are very helpful and friendly. Do check them
at:-

http://www.ukclematis.co.uk/

Are we talking about the Rachel from Barkers? if so I think they may have
closed, I seem remember something a year or so back in the clematis journal
I get, shame if it is true.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collection of Clematis viticella (cvs)