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Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
I recently bought a Black Elder (Sambucus niger) for friend who's growing a bird- friendly garden. She also has two dogs, one a puppy. She was concerned to read on the label that the plant is "harmful if eaten". Since both elder flowers and elderberries are a food, what's harmful? Is it the bark or sap, or something else? Or simply over-cautious labelling. -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
In message , Andy Mabbett
writes I recently bought a Black Elder (Sambucus niger) for friend who's growing a bird- friendly garden. She also has two dogs, one a puppy. She was concerned to read on the label that the plant is "harmful if eaten". Since both elder flowers and elderberries are a food, what's harmful? Is it the bark or sap, or something else? Or simply over-cautious labelling. There was a thread here on the topic recently. Elderberries contain cyanogenic glucosides, from which cyanide is produced. Google for sambunigrin. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
Andy Mabbett wrote:
I recently bought a Black Elder (Sambucus niger) for friend who's growing a bird- friendly garden. She also has two dogs, one a puppy. She was concerned to read on the label that the plant is "harmful if eaten". Since both elder flowers and elderberries are a food, what's harmful? Is it the bark or sap, or something else? Or simply over-cautious labelling. (From memory of some research I did whilst wondering what to do with the 20lbs of elderberries I picked last autumn.) AFAIR, pretty much all parts of most varieties of Elder are toxic to some degree. Sambucus niger has berries that are toxic when unripe, and stems, leaves, bark etc. are also toxic. Some of the other varieties of Elder have very unpleasant tasting fruit and one (Red Elder, I think?) has poisonous fruit. Anyhow, I've made some elderberry wine and some elderberry ice-cream and it doesn't seem to have done me any ha |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
In message , Janet Baraclough
writes Even dogs who like eating fruit and berries, won't touch elderberries ime. Perhaps, but this one (the youngster; half Staffordshire Bull Terrier, part whippet and part ferret) eats wallpaper, plaster, carpets, chipboard, rubber gloves, one of my hats and a mobile phone (so far..!). -- Andy Mabbett Say "NO!" to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
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from Andy Mabbett contains these words: In message , Janet Baraclough writes Even dogs who like eating fruit and berries, won't touch elderberries ime. Perhaps, but this one (the youngster; half Staffordshire Bull Terrier, part whippet and part ferret) eats wallpaper, plaster, carpets, chipboard, rubber gloves, one of my hats and a mobile phone (so far..!). Have you tried it on Winalot and (say) Pal? Our English bull terror used to eat fallen apples and pears, but I never saw her hoovering fallen elderberries - and we had a fair number of those. -- Rusty Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk Separator in search of a sig |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:52:40 +0000, Andy Mabbett
wrote: I recently bought a Black Elder (Sambucus niger) for friend who's growing a bird- friendly garden. She also has two dogs, one a puppy. She was concerned to read on the label that the plant is "harmful if eaten". Since both elder flowers and elderberries are a food, what's harmful? Is it the bark or sap, or something else? Or simply over-cautious labelling. Andy Mabbett? Now there's a name from the past to bring an attack of the horrors to people |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
In article , Andy Mabbett writes: | In message , Janet Baraclough | writes | | Even dogs who like eating fruit and berries, won't touch elderberries | ime. | | Perhaps, but this one (the youngster; half Staffordshire Bull Terrier, | part whippet and part ferret) eats wallpaper, plaster, carpets, | chipboard, rubber gloves, one of my hats and a mobile phone (so far..!). Nice to see you posting here again. I hope that he also eats trolls - nothing else seems to :-( Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
On 22/2/06 23:59, in article , "Andy
Mabbett" wrote: In message , Janet Baraclough writes Even dogs who like eating fruit and berries, won't touch elderberries ime. Perhaps, but this one (the youngster; half Staffordshire Bull Terrier, part whippet and part ferret) eats wallpaper, plaster, carpets, chipboard, rubber gloves, one of my hats and a mobile phone (so far..!). One of our Jack Russell's has eaten his way through about five beds of differing kinds - he is particularly partial to that imitation sheepskin stuff. He also catches and eats rats and rabbits (occasionally)and then thoughtfully deposits the partially digested remains on the kitchen floor. Our collie cross used to eat carrots and wandered around for hours with one stuck out of the corner of her mouth, peering round bushes at people as if to say "would you like to admire this carrot?" She stole them out of the veg.rack. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon ) |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
In article , Andy Mabbett
writes In message , Janet Baraclough writes Even dogs who like eating fruit and berries, won't touch elderberries ime. Perhaps, but this one (the youngster; half Staffordshire Bull Terrier, part whippet and part ferret) eats wallpaper, plaster, carpets, chipboard, rubber gloves, one of my hats and a mobile phone (so far..!). Sheesh! That's one untidy garden. ;) -- Flower Bobdew South Facing Garden South West: UK |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote after Andy Mabbett posted Nice to see you posting here again. I hope that he also eats trolls - nothing else seems to :-( Yes, I second that, nice to see you back Andy. I just realised I haven't seen "that" troll around lately. -- Regards Bob In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
In article , Janet Baraclough
writes The message from Dave the exTrailer contains these words: Now there's a name from the past to bring an attack of the horrors to people Oh look, another crony of the crazed cruiser. Where is that flea powder? On the subject of that modest bloke that owns the Isle of Wight - he wasn't on that cruise that hot-footed to South america without stopping was he? -- regards andyw |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
Sacha wrote:
On 23/2/06 13:51, in article , "Janet Baraclough" wrote: [...] A friend of mine minded her son's dog for one week, during which it ate her hearing aid, spectacle frames, and the front passenger seat of her car. That dog *really* didn't want her to go anywhere, did he? Another sad case of an untrained dog-owner, methinks. I don't want to belittle anybody, as it can seem difficult to train a dog, especially if one has the bizarre soppy attitude to animals some British people have; but if one lets a pet get into that kind of habit, one really has only oneself to blame. Dogs _like_ being strictly trained; in fact, it's emotional abuse to deprive them of it. If one doesn't enjoy working and playing with dogs, there's not much point in having one at all. /rant -- Mike. |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
On 23/2/06 16:12, in article , "newsb"
wrote: In article , Janet Baraclough writes The message from Dave the exTrailer contains these words: Now there's a name from the past to bring an attack of the horrors to people Oh look, another crony of the crazed cruiser. Where is that flea powder? On the subject of that modest bloke that owns the Isle of Wight - he wasn't on that cruise that hot-footed to South america without stopping was he? Do we care? ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon ) |
Black Elder: harmful if eaten?
"Mike Lyle" wrote Another sad case of an untrained dog-owner, methinks. I don't want to belittle anybody, as it can seem difficult to train a dog, especially if one has the bizarre soppy attitude to animals some British people have; but if one lets a pet get into that kind of habit, one really has only oneself to blame. Dogs _like_ being strictly trained; in fact, it's emotional abuse to deprive them of it. If one doesn't enjoy working and playing with dogs, there's not much point in having one at all. /rant If you see that tv programme 'It's Me or the Dog', it appears a lot of people treat their poor animals as Barbie doll substitutes! :-/ -- Sue |
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