Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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I've been offered an ample supply of chicken manure. Its fresh off the shed floor so has straw etc mixed into it and it hasnt been treated. Is it safe to use on a flower and veg patch? My mum reckons its not safe. She mentioned something about salmonela. Thanks for your help and advice. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
I've been offered an ample supply of chicken manure. Its fresh off the
shed floor so has straw etc mixed into it and it hasnt been treated. Is it safe to use on a flower and veg patch? My mum reckons its not safe. She mentioned something about salmonela. Thanks for your help and advice. Personally I wouldn't put it on a veg patch - especially near salad crops or vegetables eaten raw where there is more chance of eating salmonella contaminated food. I'd still be reluctant to put it around flowers as well. I suspect that the commercially available "pelleted chicken manure" has been sterilised. -- Drakanthus. (Spam filter: Include the word VB anywhere in the subject line or emails will never reach me.) |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
"Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 05 Apr 2003 08:39:37 +0100, wrote: Snip 1. Due to testing and vaccination Samonella enteritidis in eggs is (it is to be hoped) becomimg a thing of the past. But the many, many other species of Salmonella (that don't get into the eggs) are not tested for nor vaccinated against. The advice we always gave was to treat fresh chicken in the kitchen as you would treat a fresh turd! Assume it's infectious and wipe up after. 2. snip I'll never be able to look at a bit of chicken in the same way again :-) - thanks for the sound advice! Chris S |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Derek Turner wrote: I speak as a very amateur gardener but as an ex-professional bacteriologist who dealt with salmonella every day of my working life. 5. The few live bacteria that might get onto salad leaves are very unlikely to infect you, especially if you are a healthy adult. It takes quite a high dose to make you ill. Take more care with, infants, the elderley and anyone whose immune system is compromised. I wish that you could have some influence on our infernal government and media :-( Even excluding the fact that Chief Bullshit Advisers are paid to prostitute their scientific reputations, the coverage leads even many educated people to believe that Salmonella should be considered as comparable to typhoid or even cholera. And that E. coli (generally, not just 0157) is a disease :-( And recent research indicates that preventing children (not infants) from being exposed to minor infections like Salmonella can lead to more serious problems in later life. This isn't yet proven, as far as I know, but the evidence seems fairly convincing. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Derek Turner wrote: I speak as a very amateur gardener but as an ex-professional bacteriologist who dealt with salmonella every day of my working life. 5. The few live bacteria that might get onto salad leaves are very unlikely to infect you, especially if you are a healthy adult. It takes quite a high dose to make you ill. Take more care with, infants, the elderley and anyone whose immune system is compromised. Hurrah! Mary |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote: Thus spake (Nick Maclaren) Even excluding the fact that Chief Bullshit Advisers are paid to prostitute their scientific reputations, the coverage leads even many educated people to believe that Salmonella should be considered as comparable to typhoid or even cholera. And that E. coli (generally, not just 0157) is a disease :-( Ummm... Typhoid and paratyphoid are caused by Salmonella species. A good point! But not the species that are endemic in fish, eggs and so on, which are the ones normally referred to as Salmonella. We are well adapted to those. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Derek Turner wrote: On 5 Apr 2003 11:57:46 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: Ummm... Typhoid and paratyphoid are caused by Salmonella species. A good point! But not the species that are endemic in fish, eggs and so on, which are the ones normally referred to as Salmonella. We are well adapted to those. IIRC S. typhi and S. paratyphi are (always? nearly always?) passed from human to human via faecal contamination rather than being 'food poisoning' in the usually-accepted sense. Now wash your hands please! Shades of the probability that Lister's original antisepsis worked, not by disinfecting the air, but by disinfecting the surgeon's hands! Cholera, too, is very unlikely to be contracted by a healthy well-nourished adult. Its association with slums has more to do with nutrition than hygiene. Interesting. Not what I had been led to believe. So, from a gardener's viewpoint, cleaning vegetables for eating raw really is a matter of eliminating the cat/dog/etc. carried parasites, and has nothing whatsoever to do with what we were told it should be done for. Admittedly, there are even nastier parasites in the tropics, where the recommendation was to wash salads in potassium permanganate. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
"Drakanthus" wrote in message ... I've been offered an ample supply of chicken manure. Its fresh off the shed floor so has straw etc mixed into it and it hasnt been treated. Is it safe to use on a flower and veg patch? My mum reckons its not safe. She mentioned something about salmonela. Thanks for your help and advice. Personally I wouldn't put it on a veg patch - especially near salad crops or vegetables eaten raw where there is more chance of eating salmonella contaminated food. I'd still be reluctant to put it around flowers as well. I suspect that the commercially available "pelleted chicken manure" has been sterilised. -- Chicken feed pellets would be conditioned to 80C plus to kill the bugs, not entirely sure on the pelleted manure, but I'd guess it would need 50C or so just to get enough steam in to form the pellet. Al |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
Thus spake (Nick Maclaren)
In article , Derek Turner wrote: On 5 Apr 2003 11:57:46 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote: Ummm... Typhoid and paratyphoid are caused by Salmonella species. A good point! But not the species that are endemic in fish, eggs and so on, which are the ones normally referred to as Salmonella. We are well adapted to those. IIRC S. typhi and S. paratyphi are (always? nearly always?) passed from human to human via faecal contamination rather than being 'food poisoning' in the usually-accepted sense. Now wash your hands please! Shades of the probability that Lister's original antisepsis worked, not by disinfecting the air, but by disinfecting the surgeon's hands! Cholera, too, is very unlikely to be contracted by a healthy well-nourished adult. Its association with slums has more to do with nutrition than hygiene. Interesting. Not what I had been led to believe. The only thing any of my cohort can remember about cholera was the Prof who said "Cholera is not a fatal disease, provided you keep the patient alive." -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
The only thing any of my cohort can remember about cholera was the Prof who said "Cholera is not a fatal disease, provided you keep the patient alive." What I remember is the journalists' saying: "Cholera out, choldera in." A bit like GIGO, in fact exactly like GIGO with the emphasis reversed. Mary -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
wrote in message ... Hi, I've been offered an ample supply of chicken manure. Its fresh off the shed floor so has straw etc mixed into it and it hasnt been treated. Is it safe to use on a flower and veg patch? My mum reckons its not safe. She mentioned something about salmonela. Compost it properly and its safe. -- Chris Thomas West Cork Ireland |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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wrote on 5/4/03 8:39 am: Hi, I've been offered an ample supply of chicken manure. Its fresh off the shed floor so has straw etc mixed into it and it hasnt been treated. Is it safe to use on a flower and veg patch? My mum reckons its not safe. She mentioned something about salmonela. Thanks for your help and advice. You need to leave it in a heap somewhere so that it can rot down a bit. Unrotted chicken manure can scorch roots. What you *can* do with it now is dilute it well in buckets of water and then use it on your veg. patch and flowers. A year after we moved our chicken run, we planted potatoes in that area and had a fabulous crop! -- Sacha |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
"Sacha" wrote in message ... in article , at wrote on 5/4/03 8:39 am: You need to leave it in a heap somewhere so that it can rot down a bit. Unrotted chicken manure can scorch roots. What you *can* do with it now is dilute it well in buckets of water and then use it on your veg. patch and flowers. A year after we moved our chicken run, we planted potatoes in that area and had a fabulous crop! -- Sacha A very good point, chicken manure is very strong! Farmers usually leave it to stand for at least 6 months before spreading it, and then sparingly, so as not to burn the grass. Although the green leaves are scorched, the plants are not usually killed and will recover. (So says me, who armed with a Massey Ferguson and a Howard Rotaspreader turned approx 3 acres of grassland a nice shade of brown in an afternoon! Well, I was young, thats my excuse anyway :) ) I believe it is a very good source of nitrogen, hence the use on the farm, to save at least 1 application of artificial fertilizer. Anthony |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
Interesting. I always thought from my history lessons that cholera takes no
account of social or economic backgrounds. The "proof" for this was that in the last great epidemics in London, both poor and wealthy areas were equally affected or spared, the differenciator being where their water supply (and therefore infection or not) came from. Paul DS. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
In article , "Paul D.Smith" writes: | Interesting. I always thought from my history lessons that cholera takes no | account of social or economic backgrounds. The "proof" for this was that in | the last great epidemics in London, both poor and wealthy areas were equally | affected or spared, the differenciator being where their water supply (and | therefore infection or not) came from. As with much of what we were taught, that is a simplistic analysis. The reason that there has been traditionally little difference in many health issues is often due to the fact that the ignorance was universal. So, when you move to societies where the problems are economic, the same uniformity may not apply. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
"Paul D.Smith" wrote in message . net... Interesting. I always thought from my history lessons that cholera takes no account of social or economic backgrounds. The "proof" for this was that in the last great epidemics in London, both poor and wealthy areas were equally affected or spared, the differenciator being where their water supply (and therefore infection or not) came from. Quite. But the cholera has to be put into the water supply before it can come out. Mary Paul DS. |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
Paul D.Smith wrote in message ... Interesting. I always thought from my history lessons that cholera takes no account of social or economic backgrounds. The "proof" for this was that in the last great epidemics in London, both poor and wealthy areas were equally affected or spared, the differenciator being where their water supply (and therefore infection or not) came from. Current treatment of Cholera seems mainly to be replacement of the fluid loss, which is what kills. The disease is easily shrugged off if you do not get dehydrated. So yes, it would attack everywhere, and at that time there would be no replacement that was not itself contaminated with the disease. The 'magic mixture' is nothing more that water with salt and glucose added. often given as an IV drip in hospitals, but can easily be made from your kitchen should you ever need to treat someone. Mike www.british-naturism.org.uk |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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writes Current treatment of Cholera seems mainly to be replacement of the fluid loss, which is what kills. The disease is easily shrugged off if you do not get dehydrated. So yes, it would attack everywhere, and at that time there would be no replacement that was not itself contaminated with the disease. The 'magic mixture' is nothing more that water with salt and glucose added. often given as an IV drip in hospitals, but can easily be made from your kitchen should you ever need to treat someone. Very useful for bad tummy bug with diarrhoea. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but ISTR glass of water with 1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/4 teaspoon of salt. -- Kay Easton Edward's earthworm page: http://www.scarboro.demon.co.uk/edward/index.htm |
Chicken Manure. Is it safe?
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Kay Easton wrote: In article , Michael Berridge writes Current treatment of Cholera seems mainly to be replacement of the fluid loss, which is what kills. The disease is easily shrugged off if you do not get dehydrated. So yes, it would attack everywhere, and at that time there would be no replacement that was not itself contaminated with the disease. The 'magic mixture' is nothing more that water with salt and glucose added. often given as an IV drip in hospitals, but can easily be made from your kitchen should you ever need to treat someone. Very useful for bad tummy bug with diarrhoea. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but ISTR glass of water with 1 teaspoon of sugar and 1/4 teaspoon of salt. For a short period. You can cause yourself quite serious trouble by replacing only water and sodium if you have a serious bout of that sort of thing. But I do mean serious. A better solution (groan) is to use one of the fancy sports drinks, which contain something closer to an appropriate balance of sodium, potassium etc. Such as the Japanses drink, Pocari Sweat. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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