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Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
Don't need a pump provided there is at least 3 feet of height for gravity feed. Did this with brother-in-laws Commercial Steam Cleaner (45 gal plastic butt on top of 45 gal drum) for washing his artic lorries. will was 3 lorries WITH trailers before running close to dry. You MUST filter it though - preferrably twice - as it goes into the butt to stop big leaves, twigs, dead birds etc, and the mesh from an old kitchen sieve (or even a cheap new one) over the outlet from the butt that feeds the washer. Don't have hosepipe ban problem in sunny??? NE Scotland - just commercial water meters and charges to remrtgage for!! |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
"David Hansen" wrote in message ... Having a little wind-genny to drive the pump is also all very well - but the amount of power consumed by the pump must be pretty small - as the genny wouldn't have been much more than 200 - 300watts. OK - so it was all very good on camera - but whether it was cost-effective.... dunno..... Like many things of this sort, the simple payback period is probably a number of years at current prices. However, that is not the only reason for doing things, if it was few would create flower gardens. On the program he said it cost less than a 1/4's water charges to set up the system. Ian |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
HI Ian
On Thu, 04 May 2006 10:26:42 GMT, "Ian" wrote: "David Hansen" wrote in message .. . Having a little wind-genny to drive the pump is also all very well - but the amount of power consumed by the pump must be pretty small - as the genny wouldn't have been much more than 200 - 300watts. OK - so it was all very good on camera - but whether it was cost-effective.... dunno..... Like many things of this sort, the simple payback period is probably a number of years at current prices. However, that is not the only reason for doing things, if it was few would create flower gardens. On the program he said it cost less than a 1/4's water charges to set up the system. Ian Yes - I think I remember that. I was with him all the way until the wind genny bit - but I guess it does make for a good bit of TV "all the water and the electricity to power it is from renewable sources".. Bit like that lovely water-wheel he built - which appeared to be used to run only the lighting in the house... Not knocking the fellow - but, like so many of these programmes, there's a strong 'directorial' influence - and the entertainment part always seems to win over the informative.... - or perhaps I'm getting old and cynical g Regards Adrian Suffolk UK ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply |
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from David Hansen contains these words: On Wed, 03 May 2006 18:42:08 +0100 someone who may be Adrian Brentnall adrian-the papers and the wrote this:- Ah well - I suppose it makes good telly..... g That seems to partly be the idea and there is nothing wrong with that. There wouldn't be anything wrong with it, except for the hilarious degree of Marie Antoinette pretence by the Strawbridges. Changing their gas-guzzler vehicles might do far more to save the planet and its resources . It's made very clear that they have a great deal of money which effortlessly fills and conceals every pitfall and reality gap. Just a couple of examples; "We've been thinking about buying our own wood to fuel the stoves". Meanwhile they burned a huge stack of free heat for fun. Someone else has already pointed out that their use of three stoves is inefficient.. Heating a far smaller house on one highly efficient woodfired system, we used between 15 and 20 tons of wood per year The load they took delivery of, was (at a guess) less than two tons, supposedly to feed 3 stoves "until Christmas". If that unseasoned wet wood was fit for burning (ie, giving out optimal heat) , Mrs would not be crouched shivering in sweaters and scarf beside a stove on full burn, and upstairs would be roasting, even without the silly air pipes. They will have burned the lot (for little heat output) long before winter comes. Planning regs (which a redevelopment like that can't evade) insist that a domestic home has a tested potable water supply. Plugging a hosepipe into a muddy spring and tasting a glassful, gives a very false impression of the health hoops to be jumped through before bringing spring water into the domestic system for drinking..or even, it's advisability. (Particularly, in Cornwall, where I would imagine heavy metal contamination is likely, and within stonesthrow of other houses or rural farms and their own livestock, al l of which could have coeliform runoffs). One can't help noticing that the adult Strawbridge invariably waft around with fairies and clipboards, while a changing parade of workers are paid to do the donkey work in their so-called "self sufficient " lifestyle :-) Where has the gardening lady gone to? It's entertaining all right, my only question is, how far are the Sawbridges aware of the TV producers' real agenda..which is surely, exposing their pretensions and holding them up to ridicule .. Janet. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
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from Adrian Brentnall adrian-the papers and the contains these words: Not knocking the fellow - but, like so many of these programmes, there's a strong 'directorial' influence - and the entertainment part always seems to win over the informative.... - or perhaps I'm getting old and cynical g That sums up just about everything wrong with modern telly. -- Skipweasel Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:05 +0100 someone who may be Adrian
Brentnall adrian-the papers and the wrote this:- Bit like that lovely water-wheel he built - which appeared to be used to run only the lighting in the house... What is wrong with that? Lighting is a significant part of electrical demand in many buildings. I would like to ask him why he went for a water wheel though. A turbine is more efficient, though it doesn't look as pretty. -- David Hansen, Edinburgh I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54 |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
HI David
On Thu, 04 May 2006 14:39:18 +0100, David Hansen wrote: On Thu, 04 May 2006 12:47:05 +0100 someone who may be Adrian Brentnall adrian-the papers and the wrote this:- Bit like that lovely water-wheel he built - which appeared to be used to run only the lighting in the house... What is wrong with that? Lighting is a significant part of electrical demand in many buildings. Suppose so...... - just feels like doing half a job - but I suppose that an installation capable of supplying 'serious' power might have required more energy than they had available... Don't remember what the power out was for their waterwheel / inverter system - somewhere in the 'hundreds of watts' range, do you think ? Hate to think what kind of an installation I'd need to get my (little) glassworking kiln running 'off grid' - it's rated at about 1kw - and idea what that equates to in terms of head of water etc ..? I would like to ask him why he went for a water wheel though. A turbine is more efficient, though it doesn't look as pretty. I think you may have hit the nail on the head there. ISTR that, in the program where they finally connected the water wheel to their genny, one of them said 'well, we could have used a turbine but they all you'd see would be a little black box' - or words to that effect. There used to be a lovely wheel at an old tin-mine / ore crushing plant down in East Cornwall - can't remember the name of the place now - but it was a big blighter - probably 15ft diameter. Actually - found the place - it's Morwellham Quay - pic of the water-wheel here http://www.morwellham-quay.co.uk/ima...village500.jpg Fairly slow moving - but with a definite I've started now I'll finish feel to it when it was in motion. Sadly, not coupled up to anything at the moment - seems like a waste g Looks as if our move to Ireland may actually be going to happen at last - so on the lookout for a suitable property down in the South-West. Thinking seriously about heat-pumps for space heating - seems that there are grants available for such things over there... watch this space ! g Adrian Suffolk UK ======return email munged================= take out the papers and the trash to reply |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
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Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
Simple really. Though there are national laws, each company can make
their own rules. Would you like to post a link to the legislation that allows them to do this? Christian. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
"Mark" wrote in message ... nightjar .uk.com nightjar@insert my surname here wrote in message ... http://www.thameswater.co.uk/UK/regi...FAQ_000051.jsp Washing flags is not explicitly banned, so you wouldn't be prosecuted. It's a question of conscience. Being true for Thames Water doesn't make it true for other water companies, though. The relevant Act only gives the Water Suppliers the power to prohibit the use of hose pipes for watering of domestic gardens and for the washing of private cars. They do not have the powers to impose greater restrictions, until they get Until they are granted a drought order. Which was the implication of the rest of my post. Colin Bignell |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
In article , The Invalid
wrote: On 4 May 2006 09:40:57 +0200, Chris Bacon wrote: The Invalid wrote: Chris Bacon wrote: Water companies do not make the law. Water Companies can make their own rules for usage. There doesn't need to be any law imposed Please explain. Simple really. Though there are national laws, each company can make their own rules. They can make _exemptions_ such as drip irrigation systems if they are so inclined but they cartainly can't make additional rules over and above the powers specifically granted to them by the Water Industry Act. It's just too bad if the water compnaies wanted to ban pressure washers for instance. They can't do it under the current law As has been said, they need to apply for a drought order to extend the restrictions but even then they will only be allowed to restrict the uses specified in the drought order. They can't make up any additional rules until they go the whole hog and sapply for an Emergency Drought Order which involves standpipes, rota cuts and all sorts of nasties that the water companies will want to steer well clear of. They are already being bombarded with lawsuits from businesses which are claiming that their liveliehood is being ruined by unjustifiable hosepipe bans. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
Would you like to post a link to the legislation that allows them to do
this? Only if you post a link to the legislation that says they cant. Water Industry Act 1991 (c.56) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...10056_en_8.htm 37-38 Places a duty on the water company to supply water. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_8.htm#mdiv52 52 Places a duty on the water company to supply enough water for domestic use. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...10056_en_9.htm 76(1) Enables them to break this duty for the purposes of a hosepipe ban, but only for car washing and watering gardens. Your turn. Christian. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
Guy King wrote: The message from Adrian Brentnall adrian-the papers and the contains these words: Not knocking the fellow - but, like so many of these programmes, there's a strong 'directorial' influence - and the entertainment part always seems to win over the informative. That sums up just about everything wrong with modern telly. Quite right. Leave your video recorder on at night over the weekends to capture the OU output these days. They are getting swamped by "What the Romans did for us" sort of dumb. I quite like those sorts of things, maybe as infil they are OK but there does seem to be a move to undo any "pushing the envelope" intentions that were the formats of the stuff from yesteryear. Or am I just missing the bald, long haired men, with wide spotty ties in huge shirt collars? |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
In article , The Invalid
wrote: On Fri, 5 May 2006 09:29:13 +0100, "Christian McArdle" wrote: Would you like to post a link to the legislation that allows them to do this? Only if you post a link to the legislation that says they cant. Water Industry Act 1991 (c.56) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...10056_en_8.htm 37-38 Places a duty on the water company to supply water. Not relevant to my point http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...n_8.htm#mdiv52 52 Places a duty on the water company to supply enough water for domestic use. Not relevant to my point http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1991...10056_en_9.htm 76(1) Enables them to break this duty for the purposes of a hosepipe ban, but only for car washing and watering gardens. Your turn. You just answered your own question I think your original assertion was that the water companies can make up the rules as they go along - which is wrong. If you can't substantiate it, don't waste people's time. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
The Invalid wrote:
Stan The Man wrote: I think your original assertion was that the water companies can make up the rules as they go along - which is wrong. If you can't substantiate it, don't waste people's time. No it wasn't my original assertion at all. If you cant understand what was written then don't waste peoples time by replying to something that is beyond you But you did say that, in: Message-ID: That's when I stopped bothering about your posts. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
"Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , The Invalid wrote: On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:34:41 +0000, Stan The Man wrote: I think your original assertion was that the water companies can make up the rules as they go along - which is wrong. If you can't substantiate it, don't waste people's time. No it wasn't my original assertion at all. Here is the full text of your contribution on May 3: "Water Companies can make their own rules for usage. There doesn't need to be any law imposed." So, why do you deny something which is on record? If you cant understand what was written then don't waste peoples time by replying to something that is beyond you But it's obvious that I know considerably more about the subject than you do... You are just a Smart Alec and a troll. As a private company a water company can impose whatever regulations they see fit, subject to their statutory obligations. No it can't. No water company has any statutory obligation to supply water to an outside tap and yet they have no powers to prevent any householder from leaving an outside tap running 24 hours a day if anyone chose to do that. The _only_ usage restrictions currently available to the water suppliers are the use of hosepipes to water gardens and wash vehicles. They cannot make up any of their own rules about what other uses to prohibit. Try to understand and move on. The Water companies are not private. AFAIK they are all quoted stock. Any company can and does make rules which may or may not have the force of Law behind them. So what's the problem? |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
In article , The Invalid
wrote: On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:34:41 +0000, Stan The Man wrote: I think your original assertion was that the water companies can make up the rules as they go along - which is wrong. If you can't substantiate it, don't waste people's time. No it wasn't my original assertion at all. Here is the full text of your contribution on May 3: "Water Companies can make their own rules for usage. There doesn't need to be any law imposed." So, why do you deny something which is on record? If you cant understand what was written then don't waste peoples time by replying to something that is beyond you But it's obvious that I know considerably more about the subject than you do... You are just a Smart Alec and a troll. As a private company a water company can impose whatever regulations they see fit, subject to their statutory obligations. No it can't. No water company has any statutory obligation to supply water to an outside tap and yet they have no powers to prevent any householder from leaving an outside tap running 24 hours a day if anyone chose to do that. The _only_ usage restrictions currently available to the water suppliers are the use of hosepipes to water gardens and wash vehicles. They cannot make up any of their own rules about what other uses to prohibit. Try to understand and move on. |
Hosepipe ban, power washer, water butt, pump - X-post
In article , W.Yorkshire\
wrote: "Stan The Man" wrote in message ... In article , The Invalid wrote: On Sat, 06 May 2006 20:34:41 +0000, Stan The Man wrote: I think your original assertion was that the water companies can make up the rules as they go along - which is wrong. If you can't substantiate it, don't waste people's time. No it wasn't my original assertion at all. Here is the full text of your contribution on May 3: "Water Companies can make their own rules for usage. There doesn't need to be any law imposed." So, why do you deny something which is on record? If you cant understand what was written then don't waste peoples time by replying to something that is beyond you But it's obvious that I know considerably more about the subject than you do... You are just a Smart Alec and a troll. As a private company a water company can impose whatever regulations they see fit, subject to their statutory obligations. No it can't. No water company has any statutory obligation to supply water to an outside tap and yet they have no powers to prevent any householder from leaving an outside tap running 24 hours a day if anyone chose to do that. The _only_ usage restrictions currently available to the water suppliers are the use of hosepipes to water gardens and wash vehicles. They cannot make up any of their own rules about what other uses to prohibit. Try to understand and move on. The Water companies are not private. AFAIK they are all quoted stock. Any company can and does make rules which may or may not have the force of Law behind them. So what's the problem? The difference is the level of regulation and control by the Government because water is a) an essential resource and b) not owned by the water companies. Consequently, Defra set all the rules about how it should be treated and delivered and the water companies set none. |
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As a private company a water company can impose whatever regulations
they see fit, subject to their statutory obligations. Their statutory obligations being that they can't impose whatever regulations they see fit. You are an arse and I claim my 5 pounds. Plonk. CHristian. |
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