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Cat(h) 22-05-2006 01:32 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 
I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally friendly
anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
party - caterpillar or other.
What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?

TIA

Cat(h)


[email protected] 22-05-2006 01:55 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Cat(h) wrote:
I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally friendly
anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
party - caterpillar or other.
What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?


Birds like Brassicas apparently but I have not grown any in ages so
cannot comment specifically. I have been watching starlings grab
handfuls of foliage from me herb garden and fly off with them (nesting
material??; lumps of sage and oregano!!). Pigeons are supposed to eat
cabbage leaves.

With all the recent rain, our garden is awash with slugs and snails.
The rain washed away the alu sulphate granules and stops it working.
Nightly visits with torch is all I can do now. I grab them and fling
them to the jungle side of the garden; handfuls at a time it seems.
Could still be a rogue slug; or sluggish rogue (ho ho ho).


TIA

Cat(h)



Cat(h) 22-05-2006 02:18 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally friendly
anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
party - caterpillar or other.
What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?


Birds like Brassicas apparently but I have not grown any in ages so
cannot comment specifically. I have been watching starlings grab
handfuls of foliage from me herb garden and fly off with them (nesting
material??; lumps of sage and oregano!!). Pigeons are supposed to eat
cabbage leaves.


They're only small seedlings, wouldn't a pigeon or a picking starling
simply pluck them out of the ground rather than neatly eat the leaves
to the ribs ?


With all the recent rain, our garden is awash with slugs and snails.
The rain washed away the alu sulphate granules and stops it working.
Nightly visits with torch is all I can do now. I grab them and fling
them to the jungle side of the garden; handfuls at a time it seems.


I have maintained the slug pellets, though you may be right that after
all the rain of the last week, the active element may have washed off.
I reapplied on Saturday - though that was before yesterday;s downpour,
so I will have to do it again soon...

Could still be a rogue slug; or sluggish rogue (ho ho ho).


But maybe it's a really clever caterpillar that comes, eats, and then
legs it real quick when he sees me approaching... The damage done
looks like it was made by a small "mouth" if you see what I mean.

Cat(h)


La Puce 22-05-2006 02:23 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Cat(h) wrote:
But maybe it's a really clever caterpillar that comes, eats, and then
legs it real quick when he sees me approaching... The damage done
looks like it was made by a small "mouth" if you see what I mean.


Pixie?


Cat(h) 22-05-2006 02:25 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
But maybe it's a really clever caterpillar that comes, eats, and then
legs it real quick when he sees me approaching... The damage done
looks like it was made by a small "mouth" if you see what I mean.


Pixie?


A possibility which should never be overlooked.
What is an environmentally sound method of pixie control?

Cat(h)


La Puce 22-05-2006 02:29 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Cat(h) wrote:
La Puce wrote:
Pixie?

A possibility which should never be overlooked.
What is an environmentally sound method of pixie control?


LOL!! Grow enough veggies on your plot so that you can share with them
:o)


Gary Woods 22-05-2006 02:44 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 
wrote:

Sobriety!


Not acceptable. I'll make contact with the wee folk however I can.

The general feeling is that they're an asset, and don't eat much.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

La Puce 22-05-2006 03:10 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Gary Woods wrote:
Not acceptable. I'll make contact with the wee folk however I can.
The general feeling is that they're an asset, and don't eat much.


And they're pretty too cute smile


Robert 22-05-2006 04:16 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
oups.com...
:
: wrote:
: Cat(h) wrote:
: I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
: centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
: have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally
friendly
: anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
: been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
: party - caterpillar or other.
: What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?
:
: They're only small seedlings, wouldn't a pigeon or a picking starling
: simply pluck them out of the ground rather than neatly eat the leaves
: to the ribs ?

Starlings won't touch them but pigeons will scoff the lot if you turn your
back and the clever little things will nearly always leave the growing tip

www.rraa.moonfruit.com



Cat(h) 22-05-2006 04:34 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Robert wrote:
"Cat(h)" wrote in message
oups.com...
:
: wrote:
: Cat(h) wrote:
: I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
: centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
: have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally
friendly
: anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
: been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
: party - caterpillar or other.
: What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?
:
: They're only small seedlings, wouldn't a pigeon or a picking starling
: simply pluck them out of the ground rather than neatly eat the leaves
: to the ribs ?

Starlings won't touch them but pigeons will scoff the lot if you turn your
back and the clever little things will nearly always leave the growing tip


Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above the
garden.
What can I do to discourage them?

Cat(h)
www.rraa.moonfruit.com


La Puce 22-05-2006 04:57 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Cat(h) wrote:
Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above the
garden.
What can I do to discourage them?


You need nets or cages.


Easynews 22-05-2006 06:18 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 
wrote in message
ps.com...

Cat(h) wrote:
La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
But maybe it's a really clever caterpillar that comes, eats, and then
legs it real quick when he sees me approaching... The damage done
looks like it was made by a small "mouth" if you see what I mean.

Pixie?


A possibility which should never be overlooked.
What is an environmentally sound method of pixie control?


Sobriety!

Des


Cat(h)


No, no, wrong approach, it never works. If you are worried about Pixies, you
need to go for a drink. Once you get to the stage where you are no longer
worried but joining in the party, you can stop drinking.



Robert 22-05-2006 09:01 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
ups.com...
:
: La Puce wrote:
: Cat(h) wrote:
: Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
: my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
: at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above
the
: garden.
: What can I do to discourage them?
:
: You need nets or cages.
:
: I am starting to get flowers and early fruits on my strawberries,
: raspberries, gooseberries and other currants... I think I am going to
: build one HUGE cage all around my garden. Last year, I tasted ONE
: raspberry.
: Birds are evil.
:
: Cat(h)

They've just got good taste. We always net all fruit and cabbage stuff but
tie it taut so the birds don't get caught in it



Janet Galpin 22-05-2006 11:42 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 
The message
from "david taylor" contains these words:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message
ups.com...

La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above the
garden.
What can I do to discourage them?


I have had a lot of trouble with woodpigeons over the years. They tend to
devour and strip brassicas rather than just nibble, and I used to net
brassica plants to protect them.
Last year I witnessed a collared dove attacking some brocco;i plants
which
were in a pot. It had a more delicate nibbling style than the wood pigeons
and is a possible culprit.
This year has been very cold and it could be that some birds are becoming
desparate in their eating habits.


An interesting thought. I have never had trouble with pigeons eating
brassicas until for the first time this year. I hadn't thought to blame
the weather.

Janet G

Cat(h) 23-05-2006 10:32 AM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Janet Galpin wrote:
The message
from "david taylor" contains these words:


"Cat(h)" wrote in message
ups.com...

La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above the
garden.
What can I do to discourage them?


I have had a lot of trouble with woodpigeons over the years. They tend to
devour and strip brassicas rather than just nibble, and I used to net
brassica plants to protect them.
Last year I witnessed a collared dove attacking some brocco;i plants
which
were in a pot. It had a more delicate nibbling style than the wood pigeons
and is a possible culprit.
This year has been very cold and it could be that some birds are becoming
desparate in their eating habits.


An interesting thought. I have never had trouble with pigeons eating
brassicas until for the first time this year. I hadn't thought to blame
the weather.

Janet G


Interesting indeed. As well as a multitude of wood pigeons all over
the area, I have at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in
the trees above my garden. The CD idea sounds interesting, and I might
try that. I assume I need to thread them onto strings hanging from
poles above the plants so that they catch the light and frighten the
cabbage lovers?

Cat(h)


La Puce 23-05-2006 11:22 AM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Cat(h) wrote:
Interesting indeed. As well as a multitude of wood pigeons all over
the area, I have at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in
the trees above my garden. The CD idea sounds interesting, and I might
try that. I assume I need to thread them onto strings hanging from
poles above the plants so that they catch the light and frighten the
cabbage lovers?


No no no. I find little speakers with a max output power of 2W is
enough. The CD however is another problem; one would feel that the
Op.62 No.6 of Spring Song by Mendelssohn would be appropriate, but the
cabbage lovers will start pecking at your speakers. It is now clear
that the public of Europe has spoken in unisson: Finland entry at the
Eurovision Song Contest *is* the definitive voice of Europe. I very
much recommend this CD, so do all the Pixies ;o)


david taylor 23-05-2006 11:49 AM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"La Puce" wrote in message
oups.com...

Cat(h) wrote:
Interesting indeed. As well as a multitude of wood pigeons all over
the area, I have at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in
the trees above my garden. The CD idea sounds interesting, and I might
try that. I assume I need to thread them onto strings hanging from
poles above the plants so that they catch the light and frighten the
cabbage lovers?


No no no. I find little speakers with a max output power of 2W is
enough. The CD however is another problem; one would feel that the
Op.62 No.6 of Spring Song by Mendelssohn would be appropriate, but the
cabbage lovers will start pecking at your speakers. It is now clear
that the public of Europe has spoken in unisson: Finland entry at the
Eurovision Song Contest *is* the definitive voice of Europe. I very
much recommend this CD, so do all the Pixies ;o)


Obviously not a Puce D'amour.
Hang the CDs so they swing about 1ft above the ground-the reflections look
uncannily like nearby movement.
Wood pigeons can devastate a field of sprouts during a winter cold spell.
Many years ago a market gardener friend was going spare during a cold spell.
A week into the new year his field was been raided by large flocks of
pigeons.
Regards
David T



Gary Woods 23-05-2006 01:44 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 
"La Puce" wrote:

It is now clear
that the public of Europe has spoken in unisson: Finland entry at the
Eurovision Song Contest *is* the definitive voice of Europe.


Hums to self

Finland, Finland, Finland
It's the place where I wanna beeee....

I try to play "Rite of Spring" as the equinox passes through, and just
think on the renewal going on all about me.

43F in the Northeastern American colonies this morning; a fine November
day!


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Cat(h) 23-05-2006 01:51 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
Interesting indeed. As well as a multitude of wood pigeons all over
the area, I have at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in
the trees above my garden. The CD idea sounds interesting, and I might
try that. I assume I need to thread them onto strings hanging from
poles above the plants so that they catch the light and frighten the
cabbage lovers?


No no no. I find little speakers with a max output power of 2W is
enough. The CD however is another problem; one would feel that the
Op.62 No.6 of Spring Song by Mendelssohn would be appropriate, but the
cabbage lovers will start pecking at your speakers. It is now clear
that the public of Europe has spoken in unisson: Finland entry at the
Eurovision Song Contest *is* the definitive voice of Europe. I very
much recommend this CD, so do all the Pixies ;o)


You may be onto something here.
I reckon I can do a double whammie and frighten *any* bird, man or
beast if I use the Lordi DVD instead.
And suddenly, a great recycling option opens up of what to do with all
those free CD's of the best summer tunes of 1955 and Elvis's
Scratchiest Hits our daily and Sunday newspapers are so keen to dump on
us.

Cat(h)


Alan Holmes 23-05-2006 08:03 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
I planted brussels sprout seedlings acquired from the local garden
centre about 3 weeks ago. They are taking well to the garden, and I
have sprinkled the immediate surroundings with environmentally friendly
anti slug pellets. However, the leaves of two of the seedlings have
been nibbled to the central rib - yet I cannot see any likely guilty
party - caterpillar or other.
What could be eating my sprouts, and what can I do to stop it?


Birds like Brassicas apparently but I have not grown any in ages so
cannot comment specifically. I have been watching starlings grab
handfuls of foliage from me herb garden and fly off with them (nesting
material??; lumps of sage and oregano!!). Pigeons are supposed to eat
cabbage leaves.


They're only small seedlings, wouldn't a pigeon or a picking starling
simply pluck them out of the ground rather than neatly eat the leaves
to the ribs ?


No, the pigeons would just eat the leaves.

I did try putting something bright red near my sprouts last year and it
seemed to work, apparently pigeons do not like bright red things

Alan



Alan Holmes 23-05-2006 08:04 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
ups.com...

La Puce wrote:
Cat(h) wrote:
Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some of
my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area, and
at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above the
garden.
What can I do to discourage them?


You need nets or cages.


I am starting to get flowers and early fruits on my strawberries,
raspberries, gooseberries and other currants... I think I am going to
build one HUGE cage all around my garden. Last year, I tasted ONE
raspberry.
Birds are evil.


Some birds are evil!

Alan



Alan Holmes 23-05-2006 08:05 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Robert" wrote in message
...

"Cat(h)" wrote in message
ups.com...
:
: La Puce wrote:
: Cat(h) wrote:
: Well, my back is mostly always turned, seen as I can only give some
of
: my week ends to gardening... There are lots of pigeons in my area,
and
: at least one couple of ring-necked doves nesting in the trees above
the
: garden.
: What can I do to discourage them?
:
: You need nets or cages.
:
: I am starting to get flowers and early fruits on my strawberries,
: raspberries, gooseberries and other currants... I think I am going to
: build one HUGE cage all around my garden. Last year, I tasted ONE
: raspberry.
: Birds are evil.
:
: Cat(h)

They've just got good taste. We always net all fruit and cabbage stuff but
tie it taut so the birds don't get caught in it


Does it matter if the bloody pigeons get caught in it?

Alan






Robert 24-05-2006 03:50 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
...
: They've just got good taste. We always net all fruit and cabbage stuff
but
: tie it taut so the birds don't get caught in it
:
: Does it matter if the bloody pigeons get caught in it?
:
: Alan

Yes, well it does to me as even though they would eat my produce, they are
beautiful birds and at the very least should not suffer with being trapped
in netting



La Puce 24-05-2006 03:54 PM

What's eating my sprouts?
 

Robert wrote:
Yes, well it does to me as even though they would eat my produce, they are
beautiful birds and at the very least should not suffer with being trapped
in netting


Just think: Pigeon Friendly Cabbages ;o)



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