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I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for
Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. Anyone know if this can be found? Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Water will be used for watering Bowls Green, Football/Cricket pitch etc. Any 'number crunchers' out there? :-)) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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In article , Mike
writes I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. Anyone know if this can be found? The Met Office can give you a monthly, or annual, rainfall rate map, which will give a good idea. http://www.met-office.gov.uk/climate...es/mapped.html or try newsgroup uk.sci.weather -- David Entwistle |
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Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Mike, The average for the UK is usually taken as about 30 inches (approx 0.75 metres) a year. This will give an annual volume on the clubhouse roof of approx 750 cubic metres! The tank will need to be 10 by 10 by 7.5 metres! It might be better to calculate the volume of water needed during a drought of X days duration for its tank might be smaller but still meet requirements. For those who do not know it, the IW has metered water and the domestic cost is 58.6p per cubic metre without counting the wastewater charge, so Mike's not talking of saving peanuts if Southern Water charge the same figure for watering a bowls green. If a more accurate figure for the average is needed I suggest a letter the editor of the Isle of Wight County Press. Regards Geoff on the Island. |
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writes ? Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Mike, The average for the UK is usually taken as about 30 inches (approx 0.75 metres) a year. This will give an annual volume on the clubhouse roof of approx 750 cubic metres! The tank will need to be 10 by 10 by 7.5 metres! It might be better to calculate the volume of water needed during a drought of X days duration for its tank might be smaller but still meet requirements. This is why I would like the figure per month because at no time will the total annual rainfall be in the tank at the same time :-)) For those who do not know it, the IW has metered water and the domestic cost is 58.6p per cubic metre without counting the wastewater charge, so Mike's not talking of saving peanuts if Southern Water charge the same figure for watering a bowls green. That's not all. I oppose any building in the area which is being built on virgin ground and that building's rain water is to be sent down the drain. We have a very serious Storm Water problem in our area and I have raised many objections. The last objection was for a pair of bungalows, the previous to that was for 2 blocks of flats. How can I oppose planning permission with one hand and seek planning permission for something 'I' am working on with the other hand? In have a meeting with all the various bodies concerned on 28th April with regards to the Drainage systems and many more topics besides. If a more accurate figure for the average is needed I suggest a letter the editor of the Isle of Wight County Press. Southern Water will be at this forum so I will take it up with them. many thanks for your help and advice. Regards Geoff on the Island. So you will know of the old Fairway Football Club Ground development at Lake. That is what I am involved with. :-)) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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writes In article , geoff writes ? Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Mike, The average for the UK is usually taken as about 30 inches (approx 0.75 metres) a year. This will give an annual volume on the clubhouse roof of approx 750 cubic metres! The tank will need to be 10 by 10 by 7.5 metres! It might be better to calculate the volume of water needed during a drought of X days duration for its tank might be smaller but still meet requirements. Whilst that size tank seems rather large at the moment, if this 'Global Warming' brings more rain, but higher temperatures, then I will need more water and more often. I do have quite a substantial raised area where the tank could go and with my experience with Marine Electrics, it won't be too hard to fix up a forced water feed to the taps :-)) In have a meeting I have a meeting. (Don't know how the 'n' dropped in) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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Mike wrote: I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. Anyone know if this can be found? Clearly :-) It is roughly 80 cm a year, with little enough monthly variation that you may as well ignore it. Try your local library and a decent atlas :-) Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Water will be used for watering Bowls Green, Football/Cricket pitch etc. Any 'number crunchers' out there? :-)) Well, yes, and I can do multi-petaflop calculations if needed, but I don't think that I need to :-) Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:56:53 +0100, Mike wrote:
The average for the UK is usually taken as about 30 inches (approx 0.75 metres) a year. But varies hugely with area, some places get that much in a couple of months... That's not all. I oppose any building in the area which is being built on virgin ground and that building's rain water is to be sent down the drain. Quite right it should go into soakaways or stored and used on the land (same thing just deferred). Southern Water will be at this forum so I will take it up with them. many thanks for your help and advice. I have a sneaking suspicion that collecting and storing significant quantities of rain water require an "abstraction" license from the local water authority. -- Cheers Dave. Remove "spam" for valid email. |
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Dave Liquorice writes On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:56:53 +0100, Mike wrote: Quite right it should go into soakaways or stored and used on the land (same thing just deferred). which is what this is for. I have a sneaking suspicion that collecting and storing significant quantities of rain water require an "abstraction" license from the local water authority. We are not abstracting it. We will be storing it and will be returning it to the ground at our convenience. Wonderful story with regards to Water Rates on my first factory. A set of starter factories were built on some reclaimed marsh land. Rain water, before building went into the marshes. Rainwater after the factories were built............ went into the marshes. We all move in and received our rates. Fine we expected and accepted that, but then the water rates turned up which were then calculated on the rateable value. "You can have these back we have no water" (The toilet and washing facilities were in a separate block.) 'But there is the rain water off the roof, have your water rates papers back' "The rain water went into the marshes before these units were built and still does. Have your papers back and cancel them' By now we have the Enterprise Agency and the local Member of Parliament interested :-)) 'But you have toilet facilities to be dealt with. Have your papers back and please pay' "No, the toilet and washroom facilities are still in the hands of the owner and part of the rent we pay includes the use and cleaning of these toilets. Have your papers back and go and see the owner" We did of course win :-)) Mike :-) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 21:37:06 +0100, Mike wrote:
I have a sneaking suspicion that collecting and storing significant quantities of rain water require an "abstraction" license from the local water authority. We are not abstracting it. Hence my use of quotes around the word... We will be storing it and will be returning it to the ground at our convenience. Oh I agree but I'm not so sure the water board will. But it appears you have been through those hoops before but I still expect them to try and levy some charge on you. -- Cheers Dave. Remove "spam" for valid email. |
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Dave Liquorice writes We are not abstracting it. Hence my use of quotes around the word... I did pick that up and was just confirming :-) We will be storing it and will be returning it to the ground at our convenience. Oh I agree but I'm not so sure the water board will. But it appears you have been through those hoops before but I still expect them to try and levy some charge on you. Your comment above about trying to levy a charge on me set the 'Grey matter' into gear. I am at the moment battling with the Southern Water and the Isle of Wight County Council over rainwater being unable to enter the sewers during a flash flood. The 2 houses opposite me have been flooded to above floor board level, 4 times in the last 16 years. Isle of Wight Council say its a Southern Water Board problem, they in turn say it's the Council's problem. After threatening 'substantial claim' possibilities if they don't sort it out, I have at last got them to alter the roadway and pavements to take the water away instead of pouring down driveways and thence into their houses. BUT, as they both admit that the sewers themselves are not big enough, and that they are soon to undertake a large Sewer replacement scheme, (I have a meeting with relevant parties on 28th April), I will be doing them a favour by storing the water instead of even more water pouring into their sewers at a time when they admit themselves, are unable to cope. I will therefore levy a charge on them for holding their rain water as it falls and returning it to the water table for their extraction later. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:12:26 +0100, Mike wrote:
The 2 houses opposite me have been flooded to above floor board level, 4 times in the last 16 years. Isle of Wight Council say its a Southern Water Board problem, they in turn say it's the Council's problem. Nice bit of buck passing. B-) I think I'd argue that until the water disappears into a drian it is "surface water" and the councils problem, once in a drain/sewer it is "storm water" and the water boards problem. If is subsequently comes back up out of drain it's still the water boards problem. I will therefore levy a charge on them for holding their rain water as it falls and returning it to the water table for their extraction later. I do like your thinking. B-) -- Cheers Dave. Remove "spam" for valid email. |
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I have SNIPPED the background stuff, because it was getting a bit long. I suggest that Geoff tries to find the local amateur weather recorders. There are quite a lot of them around. I do a "Gardening Column" in our local free monthly magazine, and I include weather statistics in the column getting the data from a local recorder. I could give you monthly figures for the last 5 years, but I reckon the figures for the Isle of Wight will be rather different to my spot in East Anglia. John -- EurIng J Rye CEng FIEE Electrical Engineering Consultant 18 Wentworth Close Hadleigh IPSWICH IP7 5SA England Tel No 01473 827126 http://web.ukonline.co.uk/jrye/index.html --- On Line using an Acorn StrongArm RiscPC --- |
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Dave Liquorice writes On Mon, 14 Apr 2003 08:12:26 +0100, Mike wrote: The 2 houses opposite me have been flooded to above floor board level, 4 times in the last 16 years. Isle of Wight Council say its a Southern Water Board problem, they in turn say it's the Council's problem. Nice bit of buck passing. B-) I think I'd argue that until the water disappears into a drian it is "surface water" and the councils problem, once in a drain/sewer it is "storm water" and the water boards problem. If is subsequently comes back up out of drain it's still the water boards problem. Quite agree :-)) It was this tooing and froing which annoyed the 2 households concerned. It was only when I, A) Wrote to both of them explaining the problem and where it originated and copied letters to each. B) Videod the water pouring down the gutter, unable to get into the drain and pouring into the houses opposite AND the water pouring "OUT" of the manhole in the middle of the road C) Made a representative from each organisation come and sit in my lounge whilst I played the video, that they then realised I wasn't talking out of my backside and that I had a case against both of them. They are now talking to each other and work 'should' have started to raise the pavements and lower a hump in the road as a stop gap measure. I have a meeting with them on April 28th :-)) I will therefore levy a charge on them for holding their rain water as it falls and returning it to the water table for their extraction later. I do like your thinking. B-) Thank you for putting the idea in my mind :-)) I hadn't thought of any levy either way or the other :-) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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Mike, just curious as my father looks after a local bowls green. The amount
of water used to water a bowls green (not to mention football and cricket pitch) would empty even a 750 cubic metre tank very quickly. With the high cost of the tank do you really think you will be saving very much? How will you get sufficient pressure to supply your sprinklers? I would be very interested to know any conclusions from your research as my father's club are always looking for ways of saving money as well. Regards AndyP |
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Mike, just curious as my father looks after a local bowls green. The amount of water used to water a bowls green (not to mention football and cricket pitch) would empty even a 750 cubic metre tank very quickly. This depends on the demand and rain frequency. I know nothing of the care of Bowls Greens whatsoever, but have been to visit a very popular one to get an idea on layout. I would imagine that the one I visited was watered by mains hose as it is in the middle of houses:-)) However as someone else has explained, we are metered here in the Isle of Wight so any 'free' water is a bonus. With the high cost of the tank do you really think you will be saving very much? The tank could be concrete block and be part of the club house base. Or could either be concrete block or steel section tank and be sited behind one of the proposed positions of the club house. How will you get sufficient pressure to supply your sprinklers? It would have to be pumped. At this very early stage I envisage the complete system of max / min float switches operating a pump to switch on under demand. As I explained somewhere else, I am very familiar with this system of water supply in boats. I would be very interested to know any conclusions from your research as my father's club are always looking for ways of saving money as well. Do they have the prospective advantage of a new club house which would be a water catchment for them? What I have here on this site is a 'free hand' to come up with something for the community. It was the Town's Football Club and the Local Council have just bought it. It has been a dumping ground for a long time with just about everything dumped you could imagine. An old engine. half a dozen lamp standards, old TV's, washing machines, settees, and tons of other stuff. I have managed to get onto the site a football pitch, bowls green with it's own pavilion, skateboard park, a Petanque terrain, a large multi purpose club house which could be used for community events and meetings and car parking for up to 80 odd cars subject to the final plan. But as I have explained elsewhere, we have a flooding problem in another part of the town and I am very active in opposing planning permission which would put more rain water into the sewers. I would oppose a club house, so have therefore thought through how it can be done and to the club's advantage. Money is not the primary problem. Watch this space. I am getting a lot of help and ideas here and by email. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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"Mike" wrote in message
... I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. Anyone know if this can be found? Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. Water will be used for watering Bowls Green, Football/Cricket pitch etc. Any 'number crunchers' out there? :-)) Mike Why do you need to catch all the rain? I think what you really want to know is how much water do you need to store to water your grass. If your clubhouse catches more than that then so what? You don't need to store the excess, just let it go. Martin |
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Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.rec.gardening, I
heard Martin Sykes say... Why do you need to catch all the rain? I think what you really want to know is how much water do you need to store to water your grass. If your clubhouse catches more than that then so what? You don't need to store the excess, just let it go. He can always sell the excess to nearby gardeners at less than the cost from the water board. -- Fenny Spike: The truth is - I like this world. You've got dog racing, Manchester United and you've got people. Billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs. It's alright here. |
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In article , Martin Sykes
writes just let it go. Where? There will be no connection to the main sewer. See previous posts re flooding and inadequate sewers. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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In article , Fenny
k writes Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer ^W^W^W^W uk.rec.gardening, I heard Martin Sykes say... Why do you need to catch all the rain? I think what you really want to know is how much water do you need to store to water your grass. If your clubhouse catches more than that then so what? You don't need to store the excess, just let it go. He can always sell the excess to nearby gardeners at less than the cost from the water board. If the site has an excess. so will the local gardeners :-(( Supply and demand sets a price. 'They' will be wanting to sell 'their' excess water :-)) I have 5 x 40 gallon water butts along the back of my garage. When they are full, no one wants the excess. When they are MT, so are the neighbours :-(( but thanks or the input:-) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 18:56:53 +0100, Mike wrote:
This will give an annual volume on the clubhouse roof of approx 750 cubic metres! The tank will need to be 10 by 10 by 7.5 metres! It might be better to calculate the volume of water needed during a drought of X days duration for its tank might be smaller but still meet requirements. This is why I would like the figure per month because at no time will the total annual rainfall be in the tank at the same time :-)) You'd still need to allow for 3 - 6 months capcity though - because you are unlikely to be watering between (say) Nov - Feb. - assuming you can get enough capacity to store that much water withgout problems. Have you thought about "grey" water recycling (output of sinks, showers etc., goes to flush the toilets and wash the car, water the garden) as well? That could significantly reduce the amount you put down the drains. The rainwater could also be used for showers, but it would need to be trated to be 'potable' if you wanted to use it for drinking etc. Sarah |
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In article , Sarah
Dale writes You'd still need to allow for 3 - 6 months capcity though - because you are unlikely to be watering between (say) Nov - Feb. - assuming you can get enough capacity to store that much water withgout problems. I don't think we will have any problem with capacity as we will be able to either put the club house on top or in front of the tank/capacity whatever it is. Have you thought about "grey" water recycling (output of sinks, showers etc., goes to flush the toilets and wash the car, water the garden) as well? That could significantly reduce the amount you put down the drains. No I hadn't thought of that, thanks. There will be changing rooms under/within the Grandstand and a fairly substantial Cafe/kitchen set up in the main club, along with a bar and of course public toilets. :-)) Thanks for that idea. The rainwater could also be used for showers, I had 'sort of' thought of that but not given it too much thought. I think I had better give it a bit more now :-)) but it would need to be trated to be 'potable' if you wanted to use it for drinking etc. No won't go down that line :-) Sarah Another load of ideas :-)) Thanks. Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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"Mike" wrote in message ... I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. Anyone know if this can be found? Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. I can't find anywhere on the IOW, but the figures for Calshott, in cms and based on 49 years' records, a Annual 76.2 Jan 8.4 Feb 5.7 Mar 6.1 Apr 4.9 May 4.8 Jun 5.0 Jul 4.2 Aug 5.3 Sep 6.9 Oct 8.2 Nov 8.5 Dec 8.4 Colin Bignell |
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In article , nightjar writes: | | "Mike" wrote in message | ... | I would like to find out the Annual rainfall, in monthly figures for | Sandown on the Isle of Wight. I have looked at Google and not found it. | Anyone know if this can be found? | | Trying to find how big a holding tank needs to be to catch all the rain | off the roof of a new clubhouse of 50 metres x 20 metres. | | I can't find anywhere on the IOW, but the figures for Calshott, in cms and | based on 49 years' records, a | | Annual 76.2 | Jan 8.4 | Feb 5.7 | Mar 6.1 | Apr 4.9 | May 4.8 | Jun 5.0 | Jul 4.2 | Aug 5.3 | Sep 6.9 | Oct 8.2 | Nov 8.5 | Dec 8.4 My atlas gives only about 20% monthly variation for the south coast. I am surprised at a factor of two. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , nightjar@?.?
writes I can't find anywhere on the IOW, but the figures for Calshott, in cms and based on 49 years' records, a Annual 76.2 Jan 8.4 Feb 5.7 Mar 6.1 Apr 4.9 May 4.8 Jun 5.0 Jul 4.2 Aug 5.3 Sep 6.9 Oct 8.2 Nov 8.5 Dec 8.4 Colin Bignell Thanks Colin for that. Calshot is not too far away and whilst we do have variations of weather Island v Mainland, I don't think it is that far out. I have seen brilliant sunshine across the water when it has been chucking it down here and visa versa. I will go along with those figures. (Still working on the layout and contents of the building(s) at present. Have decided to go for a totally enclosed all year round Skateboard Park. Was just going to 'something in the corner') Thanks for the input folks :-)) and yes I have had someone who wants to retire here and be the Groundsman!!!!!! Who knows, we will have to have one :-)) Will also want a Steward/Secretary to run a complex with 2 (?) bars ;-) Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Forthcoming reunions. Royal Navy Social Weekend Sussex May 2nd - 5th. H.M.S.Collingwood Association Chatham May 30th - June 2nd British Pacific Fleet Hayling Island Sept 5th - 8th Castle Class Corvettes Assn. Isle of Wight. Oct 3rd - 6th. Plus many more |
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