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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes: | | Since the spores are still in the UK (as they are worldwide), it is | immaterial whether the spores reproduce in the gut of mammals or not. No, it is not, if you think about it. If it isn't, then the main source of spores in the UK dried up over a century back, and the number of viable spores in the soil will be dropping as time goes on. The source of spores is still around and unchanged. You can keep trying to change the goal posts as much as you like but you are talking through your hat. A simple google search would tell you that although tetanus IS in fact rare in the UK, it still occurs and it does so primarily in gardeners and in heroin addicts. Since I doubt that the heroin addicts got THEIR tetanus whilst spreading horse manure around the roses or whilst turning the compost, then the source of spores is still unchanged. Janet was quite right when she stated that the primary reason for the lower incidence of Tetanus was because of vaccination. She was probably thinking only of human vaccination but it is also about vaccination of animals. Farmers in the UK still regularly vaccinate animals for Clostridial diseases, and tetanus is one of the diseases included in that vacination process. http://www.noah.co.uk/issues/briefin...armanimals.htm http://www.organic-vet.reading.ac.uk...str/clostr.htm http://www.noah.co.uk/issues/briefin...accination.htm http://www.championvet.com/articles/details.asp?aID=57 If gardeners use manure or grub around in the soil, then they should be aware that teatanus is still around and it is a danger. The commonality between heroin addicts and gardeners is that they both regularly suffer from puncture wounds. |
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Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who
create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. Goodbye. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years" Not in the UK.In the UK we do not get, or require, tetanus boosters every 10 years. True. .What i meant was that i'd tell Mr.Cormaic to include stuff on Tetanus. Good luck with "telling Mr Cormaic " to do anything. LOL! I thought the whole tetanus thing was UK relevant The website advice you culled from other countries, is not. .... Anyway, i dislike the constant reminders and the whole thing isn't worth it so i'll quit URG/RG completely. Why not found one for your own area? Good idea. There's a limit to the number of times a poster can ask about the same topic, such as growing rasperries in the tropics, and get the same patient explanation, before the whole group realises it's being trolled. :-) Mary Janet |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message oups.com... Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. Goodbye. Janet, I don't find you weird in any way and hadn't noticed you leading anyone on. He should be so lucky :-) Mary |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message Janet Baraclough writes: | | My understanding is that tetanus does not reproduce in the intestine of | mammals, but infects them, and produces spores as the dead body decomposes. | That source dried up over a century back. | | http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000432/ also disagrees with you | | "Tetanus | | Infection with Clostridium tetani, a spore-forming Gram-positive | obligate anaerobe. Spores are found in virtually all soil, particularly | soil rich in manure, but also in house dust and both animal and human | faeces. " No, it doesn't. It says that the spores are found in those locations, and NOT that it reproduces in those locations. Since the spores are still in the UK (as they are worldwide), it is immaterial whether the spores reproduce in the gut of mammals or not. The most likely source of infection for gardeners would in all likelihood be from a wound sustained whilst gardening and such a wound could give acess to the spores. I doubt whether too many gardeners ingest a lot of soil and so don't need to worry about the reproduction or otherwise of tetanus spores in their gut.. My granny used to say, you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die, so people were expected to ingest soil. Alan |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:29:58 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote: "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years. " No adults in the UK get, or require, booster vaccinations against diptheria; because it died out here decades ago. In other countries, or climates, that may not be the case. When are you going to understand, that health or gardening advice VARIES according to local circumstances. What is appropriate for America, may be completely inappropriate in India , or Britain. Janet: "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years" I was quoteing from the web site page, therefore i didn't edit out the diphtheria bit..What i meant was that i'd tell Mr.Cormaic to include stuff on Tetanus. Diphtheria would have no releavance to gardening anyway.. That may be true for the country you live in but not in the UK. Anyway, i dislike the constant reminders and the whole thing isn't worth it so i'll quit URG/RG completely. Good! The tech channels are a lot more comfortable. It would make more sense to edit your charter and knock out the "around the globe" bit. Then why don't you stay there instaed of irritating people with your know all? Alan |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message oups.com... Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. As I've said in another post, good, but as has been carefully explained to you, but you refuse to accept it, tetanus is not a great problem in this country. Alan Goodbye. |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message . net... "Vivek.M" wrote in message oups.com... Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. Goodbye. Janet, I don't find you weird in any way and hadn't noticed you leading anyone on. He should be so lucky :-) Damn, I had hoped to find someone as weird as me, I'll just have to keep looking! Alan Mary |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Nick Maclaren" wrote in message No, it doesn't. It says that the spores are found in those locations, and NOT that it reproduces in those locations. Since the spores are still in the UK (as they are worldwide), it is immaterial whether the spores reproduce in the gut of mammals or not. The most likely source of infection for gardeners would in all likelihood be from a wound sustained whilst gardening and such a wound could give acess to the spores. I doubt whether too many gardeners ingest a lot of soil and so don't need to worry about the reproduction or otherwise of tetanus spores in their gut.. My granny used to say, you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die, so people were expected to ingest soil. Tough Granny. Did she give it to you in the form of sandwichs? |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message
Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Rather than getting upset at the reaction here, you should perhaps reflect on the fact that your posts in other gardening groups were received well and appreciated. If some of the posters on this NG sometimes show remarkable similarities to the character that Maggie Smith plays in the movie "Tea with Mussolini" then so be it. Stephen Fry will hopefully find NGs one day and have a field day with the material they offer. |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... I don't wannaknow. Bye ... |
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Vivek.M wrote: Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. [...] Now, now, Vivek! We have a strong tradition of discussion here -- just like any other NG. That means if we disagree, we say so. That's what makes it interesting, and that's how we learn. One of the things we've been discussing as a result of your enquiries is how very different the conditions are in India and the UK. That's interesting, and as a new gardener you should find it helpful. But you won't be agreed with all the time. -- Mike. |
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I don't wannaknow. Well that's been quite obvious throughout this thread. |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Vivek.M" wrote in message Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Rather than getting upset at the reaction here, you should perhaps reflect on the fact that your posts in other gardening groups were received well and appreciated. Which other gardening groups are those, just so I can avoid them? Alan |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Vivek.M" wrote in message Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Rather than getting upset at the reaction here, you should perhaps reflect on the fact that your posts in other gardening groups were received well and appreciated. Which other gardening groups are those, just so I can avoid them? It's probably for the best ifyou confine yourself to this group. Other gardening groups would probably consider it to be very bad manners to wish death on a fellow poster. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow contains these words: snip It's probably for the best ifyou confine yourself to this group. Other gardening groups would probably consider it to be very bad manners to wish death on a fellow poster. ?? I haven't seen any deathwish post from Alan Holmes. I think I saw a rash of posts from him wishing some (cross)posters would 'FOAD'. It must be that Mole Valley don't sell traps large enough for those particular objects of his ire :-) |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "Vivek.M" wrote in message oups.com... Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. As I've said in another post, good, but as has been carefully explained to you, but you refuse to accept it, tetanus is not a great problem in this country. Alan Goodbye. This is all very interesting and I'm pleased to be learning something from more knowledgeable people than I. But I don't understand why in the last 55 years I have been given 4 tetanus jabs, the first in the RAF and the last one 2 days ago for a broken and lacerated finger mashed up uprooting a tree. The local A+E doctor, an experienced mature bloke, gave me a right ticking off for not having had a booster in the last 17 years !!! Hey, who am I to disagree. |
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This is all very interesting and I'm pleased to be learning something from more knowledgeable people than I. But I don't understand why in the last 55 years I have been given 4 tetanus jabs, the first in the RAF and the last one 2 days ago for a broken and lacerated finger mashed up uprooting a tree. The local A+E doctor, an experienced mature bloke, gave me a right ticking off for not having had a booster in the last 17 years !!! Hey, who am I to disagree. I've come to this thread rather late and missed the OP. The current thinking is that 5 injections of tetanus toxoid gives lifelong immunity. Boosters are recommended for tetanus-prone wounds and possibly for travel in areas where getting a booster may be difficult in the event of injury. Personally, I have had more than five injections of toxoid, but the last was in 1988. I arranged to have a booster prior to my trip to Libya earlier this year, but the surgery had none in stock on the day I came for my booster. I see no reason to arrange to have one now. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
I noticed all his begging posts to other gardening groups were universally ignored. I was referring to his tetanus posts here and on other ngs not any begging posts. His tetanus posts were well recieved in other groups and the posters there seems to find them to be interesting and replied concerning their own experiences (a ssome did here too). I found it an interesting topic because a) I don't know my current status re innoculations but since I had a quick trip to the A&E a few years ago after an accident to the finger tip with my router I assume I may have been given a jab (but at the time I was so freaked by the blood that I don"t recall) I'll ask next time I go to the quack. And b) I use copious quantities of horse manure and am in constant and frequent contact with it. You I'm sure know of the situation with horses and tetanus - one of the worst farm animals for it because of the shoeing. Since I don't know the incidence rates of tetanus in humans, I did a real hunt. It's rare but it does still happen and primarily to older gardeners [female in the case of the UK] (plus those heroin addicts). And c) I spin and since I am currently spinning a filthy fleece in the grease so that Himself has a replacement for a 30 year old greasy wool jumper. Tetanus injections are an itneresting topic to both spinners and gardeners. Vivek was given many courteous and helpful answers to gardening questions on this group, by myself and others. He has also emailed me privately, more than once, with screeds of additional questions which I also answered for him politely and helpfully. So, don't fall for his troll lie that I, or anyone else, made him unwelcome here. The opposite was the case, his "naive schoolboy gardener" act earned particular tolerance and forbearance in this group until he got bored, overplayed his hand in this thread and let the cat out of the bag. Which is fine if you think he's trolling but certainly that is not the case with some of the respondents here and it is a topic I (and certainly others) found of interest. If you want to tell him to go to hell then that is your decision, but not all readers saw his posts in that way. He took umbrage and that is his right too. Which other gardening groups are those, just so I can avoid them? It's probably for the best ifyou confine yourself to this group. Other gardening groups would probably consider it to be very bad manners to wish death on a fellow poster. ?? I haven't seen any deathwish post from Alan Holmes. You must have missed it, but I guess we coud be pedantic about it and call it a mere "deathhope" rather than a "deathwish". Either way it doesn't sound good for the health of another person who has been a regular poster in this group. See below: "Alan Holmes" wrote in message "Brian" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:36:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I haven't seen his name for some time ... Mary Hopefully, he's dead. I hope the same of you! But I always found him to be helpful and would always give a sensible answer to any query if it was within his knowledge. Alan |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
from "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message I noticed all his begging posts to other gardening groups were universally ignored. I was referring to his tetanus posts here and on other ngs not any begging posts. If you had kept up with his gardening posts and requests here, you would know he was lying when he claimed to have been made unwelcome. Since he is the one who claimed to fell unwelcome then that is HIS personal reaction. Whether you believe or feel that he was made unwelcome or not is a judgement that you can not make on his behalf. Tetanus injections are an itneresting topic to both spinners and gardeners. Yes, and nobody here has disagreed with that. It's a regular topic in urg so so don't fall for Virek's lame lie that I, or the group, are "not interested". I didn't claim that. You are implying something I didn't state as you are assuming that you can speak for how Vivek may or should feel about whether he is welcome in urg.. However, first Virek claimed that an annual tetanus booster is required here, and then, that it's required every ten years, along with a diptheria booster. He wanted to post that totally-wrong-for-the-UK information as a FAQ-advice on tetanus for this UK group. The objection was, his information (gleaned from other countries with different health risk levels, different health care systems) is inappropriate to UK gardeners, and CONTRARY to the excellent UK tetanus care protocol (whose effectiveness is evidenced by the minute incidence of the disease). He did post information that didn't relate to the UK. There is no doubt about it. However as I stated before it prodded me to do some research of my own and that si what I foudn of interest. Without his posts, I wouldn't have focussed on it. However there was a dramatic contrast between the reaction his posts received here and how they were in other ngs. This is a much harsher group than other gardening ngs for any perceived misdeeds. Which is fine if you think he's trolling but certainly that is not the case with some of the respondents here and it is a topic I (and certainly others) found of interest. I can only suppose that you misread the thread. I registered my own interest by (very politely) pointing out his information on tetanus and doptheria booster protocols was inaccurate for UK gardeners; and why. But then you weren't the only one to tell him that. Perhaps the repeated posts which told him that his posts didn't relate to the UK made him feel unwelcome. He said upfront that he was using what he thought was the best site he'd found. It wasn't a UK one. Silly man. If you want to tell him to go to hell then that is your decision, I didn't. No not is so many words. You just agreed that it was a good idea for him to quit urg completely and that you thought the group was being trolled. ?? I haven't seen any deathwish post from Alan Holmes. You must have missed it, but I guess we coud be pedantic about it and call it a mere "deathhope" rather than a "deathwish". Let's be even more pedantic and clarify the attributions. You're right. My apologies to Alan Holmes for falsely accusing him of wishing dead another regular poster. He merely wished dead a casual poster. Alan was however keen to avoid any other ng where Vivek posted. Vivek would have to be extremely stupid if he couldn't figure out from the tenor of a multiple of posts that his posts on this topic were "unwelcome" in urg. "Alan Holmes" wrote in message "Brian" wrote in message ... On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 17:36:57 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: I haven't seen his name for some time ... Hopefully, he's dead. I hope the same of you! Alan You appear to have misread the thread again. Mary asked after Alan Gould. Brian replied to Mary's post, "hopefully he is dead". According to google's archive Brian 's entire PH in urg consists of his abusive and foulmouthed one-liners in this thread.Brian is not a regular poster in any sense of the term. Alan Holmes, who IS a very old poster here, in every sense, from the Alan Gould era of urg, riposted to Brian "I hope the same of you". Either way it doesn't sound good for the health of another person who has been a regular poster in this group. See below: Alan Holmes didn't address that comment to or about someone who has been or is a regular poster here. |
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"p. pleater" wrote in message ... "Alan Holmes" wrote in message ... "Vivek.M" wrote in message oups.com... Janet - has it possibly occurred to you, that it's people like you who create the trolls in a NG. Tetanus is a UK relevant topic - that's something you don't want to grasp; I suppose that's because you don't want me here. Well you should SAY SO in no un-certain terms, in your charter, instead of leading a fellow on! I wouldn't have joined URG if i thought i was un-welcome and barring a bunch of nice people on this NG, i find my-self most un-welcome with almost anything i say being interpreted/mis-interpreted as off-topic merely because i don't happen to sit in the UK. Madam, i find your behaviour remarkably weird and don't propose to post to this NG anymore. As I've said in another post, good, but as has been carefully explained to you, but you refuse to accept it, tetanus is not a great problem in this country. Alan Goodbye. This is all very interesting and I'm pleased to be learning something from more knowledgeable people than I. But I don't understand why in the last 55 years I have been given 4 tetanus jabs, the first in the RAF and the last one 2 days ago for a broken and lacerated finger mashed up uprooting a tree. The local A+E doctor, an experienced mature bloke, gave me a right ticking off for not having had a booster in the last 17 years !!! Hey, who am I to disagree. I can only repeat, that some time ago I went to the doc having had some sort of accident in the garden to get a tetanus injection, and he refused on the grounds that I was imune. Alan |
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:05:21 +1000, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote:
Since he is the one who claimed to fell unwelcome then that is HIS personal reaction. Whether you believe or feel that he was made unwelcome or not is a judgement that you can not make on his behalf. A quick post, i have calmed down quite a bit. I never meant to give the impression that URG made me feel un-welcome! On the contrary many people on URG were fantastic including Janet (after all she was the only one on rec.gardens, who actually replied to my introduction there, with a rattling good mail). I wouldn't have come this way unless i had met her (i think she mentioned URG in a post or something, but i don't quite remember). Now i'm not sure, but i suspect that she is partly angry with me because of my constant harping about raspberry. I think she went into "troll-alert" mode when i mentioned raspberry on URG, especially when she had said, on RG, that raspberrys need cool climes. She is right but only partly. Check out: "http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mysore_raspberry.html" Now i'd love to claim that i knew about that all the time i was on URG, unfortunately i only found out about that as of Tue Aug 01; well after my first Tetanus post and well after all the raspberry references on URG. The reason i mention it is because i'm trying to give you a insight into my character; I am fairly persistent when i want something and don't give up easily, especially when i'm not happy with the answer. I'll post the same question on multiple newsgroups and web-sites. For eg: that "Hairy Vetch" answer left me un-satisfied and i made it a point to post almost immediately on gardenweb where i got a more satisfactory answer - "Rhizobium leguminosarum, type "C"". Mike Lyle or Nick Mclaren may have felt quite offended at my persistence, though i view that quite differently. About Tetanus, OT posts and the Charter: The charter does give the impression people from all over the world are welcome so long as they post on a UK related subject. Now in my opinion, as a total stranger to URG, URG does try to live up to the spirit off the charter (my warm welcome is testament to that), but only partly. ( IMPORTANT - READ CAREFULLY ) The charter assumes that people from outside will know everything there is to know about the UK and then carefully draft questions and answers to various posts on URG thus staying on topic; That's not likely to be the case. What is worse, the charter gives the impression that so long as one does not post like this: "Hi, how do i grow grapes in Finland" - all is welcome. There is one other thing the charter implies: It implies that the person from outside can discuss/mention his country's plants, his gardening methods etc within a thread, so long as he doesn't start a thread like: "My garden in Norway; Tulips in bloom". I strongly feel that the charter must be re-edited to reflect the above, with examples, a skull and cross-bones to boot and DANGER-READ-READ signs. Which now brings me to a more controversial topic, the various comments. Here i am on uncertain ground. I don't want to inflame tempers and have people insult me again, but i feel that i should speak up against certain statements in the vain hope that people will actually see the injustice off it. Well *grin* you might want to blame Farm1 for it :). Farm, you beast from outerspace! I love you for speaking up for me in this ripping fashion and goading her into rending you! Now i wish you'd pipe down for ever and let me speak to the lady concerned. I suppose she will blow a couple of fuses and just kill-file me *grin*. Janet, your a total worm and a utter rotter! I doubt you'll ever listen to me, and even if you do, i doubt you'd actually learn anything. You'r like my Dad - he'll never ever admit he was wrong! 1. Begging posts on rec.gardens. Remember the "Help A Disabled Man's Dream Come True" post on rec.gardens? That was a begging post; it claimed destitution and asked for charity. Did i ever, in any of my posts do that Janet? Did i ever say send me something for free because i'm very very nice? There is a difference between "Beg", "Ask" and "Offer in fair trade". You accuse me of begging because you are spiteful! You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! 2. "He has also emailed me privately, more than once, with screeds of additional questions which I also answered for him politely and helpfully." That does raise visions of, tons of questions, and email on various topics, being patiently answered by a paragon of patience and virtue. The total conversation amounted to: 1. 1 - email V-J 2. 1 - email J-V 3. 1 - thank-you-for-clarifying, email V-J. All i ever asked her was if a Mr. X was trolling me because he had mailed me about trolls and tracking them down; I did this because you appeared to be a long standing member of the NG who appeared friendly; It seemed quite the sensible thing to do. That's deception No 2 and why i hate you. 3. "his "naive schoolboy gardener" act earned particular tolerance and forbearance in this group until he got bored," Well, i plead guilty to this one. I'm not nearly so naive as i seem. Maybe some of you will take the time to go here and take a peek: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...951048967.html If i'm lying at least i lie consistently! Or did you mean that i was trying too hard to get into everyones good graces.. Do you find this particular post to be particularly school-boyish? Try to grasp something - running around with a frown on your face doesn't make you a man and don't confuse bluntness with naivety. Crotchety-ness doesn't make you wise, merely old. You are crotchety. I mean, you are nice and kind and well meaning but your a heck off a good hater at the same time! If i'm in your good books then you are all lovey-dovey but the slightest infraction and a proper ticking off i get and god help me if i resist! Then immediately i am a troll and it's off to the dungeon any which way; no holds barred and you'll say anything and do anything to get the group to hate me! Now perhaps you would care to elaborate as to how i was IMPOSING on the group? Mr. Lamey i can understand imposes on this NG; I don't quite see how i am equated with him in one fell stroke. That isn't fair Janet! You aren't being a wee bit fair from point 1 onwards! You are treating this NG as if it's your little baby and using all sorts of nasty tactics in its defense. Anyway.. I don't quite understand how tolerance and forebearance come into the picture? As long as i don't violate your charter rules, i don't impose OR require tolerance OR forebearance. It's only when the charter rules are GROSSLY or FLAGRANTLY violated does forgiveness forebearance/tolerance come into the picture. I honestly doubt i was that bad! Or did i just stay too long and outlive my welcome? There are a couple of other points i wanted to go into but i won't. This damned post is already too long and i do have something more important to add. I've already quit this NG; If YOU really wan't me to, i'll quit RG as well. I can't exactly lurk because i'll see something like Farm1's stolid defence *grin* and then be tempted to post. There is a reason why i'm being extra nice to you - You replied to me first and were helpfu and very nicel, even if things soured later. I'll offset your niceness against the grouchy you. Gardening info i can find on the web; I already have a gardening community in gardenweb so it's a small price to pay for clearing things up and calming frayed nerves. It really doesn't pay to leave disputes un-settled. I mean, let's just raise the white-flag. I'll f*off and get out of your hair and all is forgiven. Bygones are bygones. Well that's what i'm going to do in any case just though you should know. Just do me the favour of not making any more acid remarks - I'll consider that as a peace offering. I mean come on Jan, If i'm out of here for ever and RG for possibly (1-2 years) well surely i couldn't possibly be a troll and my very abscence is proof, right? Anyway - no more posts from my side. This should be by last - unless you are dying or something and wanting to hear from me *grin* Bye. And try not to say anything un-pleasent. It upsets me know end! Wish all this had never happened! Bye |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message ... Bygones are bygones. Well that's what i'm going to do in any case just though you should know. Just do me the favour of not making any more acid remarks - I'll consider that as a peace offering. I mean come on Jan, If i'm out of here for ever and RG for possibly (1-2 years) well surely i couldn't possibly be a troll and my very abscence is proof, right? Anyway - no more posts from my side. This should be by last - unless you are dying or something and wanting to hear from me *grin* Bye. And try not to say anything un-pleasent. It upsets me know end! Wish all this had never happened! Bye I could be wrong, but I suspect the engagement is now off !! Best to return the rings, sort the CD collection and cancel the joint account. Ah well, back to the garden. :)) |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:05:21 +1000, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: Since he is the one who claimed to fell unwelcome then that is HIS personal reaction. Whether you believe or feel that he was made unwelcome or not is a judgement that you can not make on his behalf. A quick post, i have calmed down quite a bit. I never meant to give the impression that URG made me feel un-welcome! On the contrary many people on URG were fantastic including Janet (after all she was the only one on rec.gardens, who actually replied to my introduction there, with a rattling good mail). I wouldn't have come this way unless i had met her (i think she mentioned URG in a post or something, but i don't quite remember). Now i'm not sure, but i suspect that she is partly angry with me because of my constant harping about raspberry. I think she went into "troll-alert" mode when i mentioned raspberry on URG, especially when she had said, on RG, that raspberrys need cool climes. She is right but only partly. Check out: "http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mysore_raspberry.html" Now i'd love to claim that i knew about that all the time i was on URG, unfortunately i only found out about that as of Tue Aug 01; well after my first Tetanus post and well after all the raspberry references on URG. The reason i mention it is because i'm trying to give you a insight into my character; I am fairly persistent when i want something and don't give up easily, especially when i'm not happy with the answer. I'll post the same question on multiple newsgroups and web-sites. For eg: that "Hairy Vetch" answer left me un-satisfied and i made it a point to post almost immediately on gardenweb where i got a more satisfactory answer - "Rhizobium leguminosarum, type "C"". Mike Lyle or Nick Mclaren may have felt quite offended at my persistence, though i view that quite differently. About Tetanus, OT posts and the Charter: The charter does give the impression people from all over the world are welcome so long as they post on a UK related subject. Now in my opinion, as a total stranger to URG, URG does try to live up to the spirit off the charter (my warm welcome is testament to that), but only partly. ( IMPORTANT - READ CAREFULLY ) The charter assumes that people from outside will know everything there is to know about the UK and then carefully draft questions and answers to various posts on URG thus staying on topic; That's not likely to be the case. What is worse, the charter gives the impression that so long as one does not post like this: "Hi, how do i grow grapes in Finland" - all is welcome. There is one other thing the charter implies: It implies that the person from outside can discuss/mention his country's plants, his gardening methods etc within a thread, so long as he doesn't start a thread like: "My garden in Norway; Tulips in bloom". I strongly feel that the charter must be re-edited to reflect the above, with examples, a skull and cross-bones to boot and DANGER-READ-READ signs. Which now brings me to a more controversial topic, the various comments. Here i am on uncertain ground. I don't want to inflame tempers and have people insult me again, but i feel that i should speak up against certain statements in the vain hope that people will actually see the injustice off it. Well *grin* you might want to blame Farm1 for it :). Farm, you beast from outerspace! I love you for speaking up for me in this ripping fashion and goading her into rending you! Now i wish you'd pipe down for ever and let me speak to the lady concerned. I suppose she will blow a couple of fuses and just kill-file me *grin*. Janet, your a total worm and a utter rotter! I doubt you'll ever listen to me, and even if you do, i doubt you'd actually learn anything. You'r like my Dad - he'll never ever admit he was wrong! 1. Begging posts on rec.gardens. Remember the "Help A Disabled Man's Dream Come True" post on rec.gardens? That was a begging post; it claimed destitution and asked for charity. Did i ever, in any of my posts do that Janet? Did i ever say send me something for free because i'm very very nice? There is a difference between "Beg", "Ask" and "Offer in fair trade". You accuse me of begging because you are spiteful! You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! 2. "He has also emailed me privately, more than once, with screeds of additional questions which I also answered for him politely and helpfully." That does raise visions of, tons of questions, and email on various topics, being patiently answered by a paragon of patience and virtue. The total conversation amounted to: 1. 1 - email V-J 2. 1 - email J-V 3. 1 - thank-you-for-clarifying, email V-J. All i ever asked her was if a Mr. X was trolling me because he had mailed me about trolls and tracking them down; I did this because you appeared to be a long standing member of the NG who appeared friendly; It seemed quite the sensible thing to do. That's deception No 2 and why i hate you. 3. "his "naive schoolboy gardener" act earned particular tolerance and forbearance in this group until he got bored," Well, i plead guilty to this one. I'm not nearly so naive as i seem. Maybe some of you will take the time to go here and take a peek: http://forums2.gardenweb.com/forums/...951048967.html If i'm lying at least i lie consistently! Or did you mean that i was trying too hard to get into everyones good graces.. Do you find this particular post to be particularly school-boyish? Try to grasp something - running around with a frown on your face doesn't make you a man and don't confuse bluntness with naivety. Crotchety-ness doesn't make you wise, merely old. You are crotchety. I mean, you are nice and kind and well meaning but your a heck off a good hater at the same time! If i'm in your good books then you are all lovey-dovey but the slightest infraction and a proper ticking off i get and god help me if i resist! Then immediately i am a troll and it's off to the dungeon any which way; no holds barred and you'll say anything and do anything to get the group to hate me! Now perhaps you would care to elaborate as to how i was IMPOSING on the group? Mr. Lamey i can understand imposes on this NG; I don't quite see how i am equated with him in one fell stroke. That isn't fair Janet! You aren't being a wee bit fair from point 1 onwards! You are treating this NG as if it's your little baby and using all sorts of nasty tactics in its defense. Anyway.. I don't quite understand how tolerance and forebearance come into the picture? As long as i don't violate your charter rules, i don't impose OR require tolerance OR forebearance. It's only when the charter rules are GROSSLY or FLAGRANTLY violated does forgiveness forebearance/tolerance come into the picture. I honestly doubt i was that bad! Or did i just stay too long and outlive my welcome? There are a couple of other points i wanted to go into but i won't. This damned post is already too long and i do have something more important to add. I've already quit this NG; If YOU really wan't me to, i'll quit RG as well. I can't exactly lurk because i'll see something like Farm1's stolid defence *grin* and then be tempted to post. There is a reason why i'm being extra nice to you - You replied to me first and were helpfu and very nicel, even if things soured later. I'll offset your niceness against the grouchy you. Gardening info i can find on the web; I already have a gardening community in gardenweb so it's a small price to pay for clearing things up and calming frayed nerves. It really doesn't pay to leave disputes un-settled. I mean, let's just raise the white-flag. I'll f*off and get out of your hair and all is forgiven. Bygones are bygones. Well that's what i'm going to do in any case just though you should know. Just do me the favour of not making any more acid remarks - I'll consider that as a peace offering. I mean come on Jan, If i'm out of here for ever and RG for possibly (1-2 years) well surely i couldn't possibly be a troll and my very abscence is proof, right? Anyway - no more posts from my side. This should be by last - unless you are dying or something and wanting to hear from me *grin* Bye. And try not to say anything un-pleasent. It upsets me know end! Wish all this had never happened! Bye What a load of rambling rubbish, made even worse by your offensive comments about Indians. |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! What a load of rambling rubbish, made even worse by your offensive comments about Indians. In this politically correct world, I suspect that it is still allowable for a member of a particular ehtnic group to say whatever they like about their own ethnic group. How else would "The Kumars at Number 42" end up being such a raging success story? What is not so acceptable on ngs is reposting a whole post to whcih you are then only going to add a short comment. |
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On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:05:21 +1000, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: Since he is the one who claimed to fell unwelcome then that is HIS personal reaction. Whether you believe or feel that he was made unwelcome or not is a judgement that you can not make on his behalf. A quick post, i have calmed down quite a bit. I never meant to give the impression that URG made me feel un-welcome! Perhaps you need to be more careful in how you word your posts? If you state that: "I suppose that's because you don't want me here", says to me that you are feeling unwlecome and not wnated. The charter does give the impression people from all over the world are welcome so long as they post on a UK related subject. Now in my opinion, as a total stranger to URG, URG does try to live up to the spirit off the charter (my warm welcome is testament to that), but only partly. Given the range of plants that I've seen growing in the UK {either in the flesh or in UK publications] and that I know I couldn't grow in a fit here in a cold winter/scorching summer antipodian garden coupled with the range of microclimates and macroclimates of the UK then I've always found the urg Charter to be a bit precious. Still, the Brits do a have a reputation for being the best gardeners in the world although I suspect that thousand of years of soil imorovemnt and the Gulf stream lashing their shores does give them an edge. Their general and indepth knowledge of gardening is still the best aroudn the Net though. Well *grin* you might want to blame Farm1 for it :). Anyone who blames me for anything you say will be duly mashed by me :-)) Farm, you beast from outerspace! I love you for speaking up for me in this ripping fashion and goading her into rending you! Now i wish you'd pipe down for ever and let me speak to the lady concerned. Hmmmph! First you utter words of love and then tell me to pipe down. You're on your own now boyo! |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message "Vivek.M" wrote in message You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! What a load of rambling rubbish, made even worse by your offensive comments about Indians. In this politically correct world, I suspect that it is still allowable for a member of a particular ehtnic group to say whatever they like about their own ethnic group. How else would "The Kumars at Number 42" end up being such a raging success story? Well I don't think Vivek M has much potential as a Comedian, Politician or a Gardener. :-)) Well I'd agree about the first two but after gardening for 30 years or more and still classing myself as very much a "Learner", I'll continue to give him a chance to improve in the latter category. I'm always amazed at how much I can still learn form other gardeners, from evey garden I visit or every gardening publication I pick up. |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message "Vivek.M" wrote in message You know only too well the kind of reputation we Indians have in the world and you play on that! Being a newcomer to URG and a Indian to boot, any comments you make against me will be accepted without the least bit of double checking! What a load of rambling rubbish, made even worse by your offensive comments about Indians. In this politically correct world, I suspect that it is still allowable for a member of a particular ehtnic group to say whatever they like about their own ethnic group. How else would "The Kumars at Number 42" end up being such a raging success story? Well I don't think Vivek M has much potential as a Comedian, Politician or a Gardener. snip |
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On 8/8/06 10:55, in article
, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: snp :-)) Well I'd agree about the first two but after gardening for 30 years or more and still classing myself as very much a "Learner", I'll continue to give him a chance to improve in the latter category. I'm always amazed at how much I can still learn form other gardeners, from evey garden I visit or every gardening publication I pick up. My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (email address on website) |
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:26 +0100, Sacha wrote
(in article ): snip My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! I'm intrigued. Why would you place a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting? -- Sally in Shropshire, UK bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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, "Sally Thompson" wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:26 +0100, Sacha wrote (in article ): snip My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! I'm intrigued. Why would you place a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting? Apparently, it forces the roots to go outwards and THEN downwards, giving more stability to the tree. Ray was on a tour of an old garden some years ago when the guide mentioned this had been found on the property when garden renovations were taking place. The guide said that he bet nobody knew why the slabs were there. Ray didn't exactly make himself popular with the guide when he piped up! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (email address on website) |
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 12:42:20 +0100, Sacha wrote
(in article ): On 8/8/06 12:32, in article , "Sally Thompson" wrote: On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 11:28:26 +0100, Sacha wrote (in article ): snip My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! I'm intrigued. Why would you place a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting? Apparently, it forces the roots to go outwards and THEN downwards, giving more stability to the tree. Ray was on a tour of an old garden some years ago when the guide mentioned this had been found on the property when garden renovations were taking place. The guide said that he bet nobody knew why the slabs were there. Ray didn't exactly make himself popular with the guide when he piped up! Ah, thanks, that makes sense (I think). -- Sally in Shropshire, UK bed and breakfast near Ludlow: http://www.stonybrook-ludlow.co.uk Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... What is not so acceptable on ngs is reposting a whole post to whcih you are then only going to add a short comment. And not being able to spell a word like whcih! Shame on you! Alan |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 8/8/06 10:55, in article , "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: snp :-)) Well I'd agree about the first two but after gardening for 30 years or more and still classing myself as very much a "Learner", I'll continue to give him a chance to improve in the latter category. I'm always amazed at how much I can still learn form other gardeners, from evey garden I visit or every gardening publication I pick up. My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! I'd never heard of that one, peraps I should have done that with all of mine. What, exactly does that do? Alan |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: snp :-)) Well I'd agree about the first two but after gardening for 30 years or more and still classing myself as very much a "Learner", I'll continue to give him a chance to improve in the latter category. I'm always amazed at how much I can still learn form other gardeners, from evey garden I visit or every gardening publication I pick up. My husband, who has been in the business or associated with it for 60 years, says that an old gardener once told him to listen to the old chaps when they start apparently rambling on about 'the old days'. He said that every now and again you'll pick up some little gem of information that you didn't know before and that will make your patience worthwhile. Ray says he's found that to be true time after time. The placing of a stone slab beneath an apple tree when planting it was just one, but I doubt anyone does that now! Yes. I'd have to agree. It always make me think of the old military adage of "time spent in reconaissance is never wasted." But to that rock under the apple tree - do you put it under the tree as it's being planted or once it's been planteed as a form of mulch to prevent drying out. If it's under the newly planted tree, is its aim to spread the roots or??????? |
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from "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow contains these words: after gardening for 30 years or more and still classing myself as very much a "Learner", I'll continue to give him a chance to improve in the latter category. No worries, Fran. Whatever you don't know about plants and gardening in your own back yard, Virek will be happy to instruct you. Mieow! |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message What is not so acceptable on ngs is reposting a whole post to whcih you are then only going to add a short comment. And not being able to spell a word like whcih! Shame on you! Well I think I'd rather be called a poor speller than a pedant. |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Alan Holmes" wrote in "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message What is not so acceptable on ngs is reposting a whole post to whcih you are then only going to add a short comment. And not being able to spell a word like whcih! Shame on you! Well I think I'd rather be called a poor speller than a pedant. Sorry it's all my fault. Eye ama piedantick pour spella. |
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