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Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
Hello, Have you had a tetanus shot in the last 5-10 years - If NO
then please do so! You need to have your tetanus shot RENEWED every 5 years (ideally) else 10 years. If you are older ( past 50 ) then 5 years is better - though a doc i spoke to suggested every 1 year, if you are past 65 and garden. If you cut yourself and THEN decide to get a Tetanus shot (for the first time ever), make sure they give you both the Tetanus vaccine AND the TIG (Tetanus Immuno Globulin). The TIG contains the actual antibodies that resist the Clostridium Tetani. The vaccine provides you with long term immunity (stimulates your body to generate antibodies, but that takes 3 weeks if you've never had a tetanus shot). It's safer to get the TIG as well in case of a muddy cut! Though i haven't done this as yet..(but i do have my booster shots). READ: http://www.indianpediatrics.net/feb1999/feb-198-200.htm That's the best article i found on the net that CLEARLY explains what is what! I cross-posted earlier but i can't find the post on URG so i guess you'll have to read it on rec.gardens (this is a lot shorter and minus a few other links). The tetanus-vaccine injection was pretty painless, i hardly felt the prick because i was looking away when she shoved it in and was quite surprised that it was all over so quickly! The arm is sore though after a day and i was very slightly feverish. Do it on a Friday or a Saturday, and get everyone to baby you, and tell them what a great risk it is and how you avoided death so narrowly. I got to lie in bed and goof off while Mum danced around and got chocolates and ice-cream, though they didn't take my suggestion of heaving the whole bowl to the invalid too well. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
"Vivek.M" wrote in message ... Hello, Have you had a tetanus shot in the last 5-10 years - If NO then please do so! You need to have your tetanus shot RENEWED every 5 years (ideally) else 10 years. If you are older ( past 50 ) then 5 years is better - though a doc i spoke to suggested every 1 year, if you are past 65 and garden. The last time I went to the doc for a tetnus shot, he said I'd already had too many and I was imune! Alan |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
Vivek. M writes
The tetanus-vaccine injection was pretty painless, i hardly felt the prick because i was looking away when she shoved it in and was quite surprised that it was all over so quickly! The arm is sore though after a day and i was very slightly feverish. Do it on a Friday or a Saturday, and get everyone to baby you, and tell them what a great risk it is and how you avoided death so narrowly. I got to lie in bed and goof off while Mum danced around and got chocolates and ice-cream, though they didn't take my suggestion of heaving the whole bowl to the invalid too well. Blimey! How many jabs do you routinely have over there? With our regime of several during babyhood, then more at 5, more sometime during primary school and then the wonderful test followed by jab at 14 (if the test doesn't swell up and become really nasty, you have to have the jab and that certainly will go nasty), chances of receiving sympathy are remote! Even if you are running a slight fever. -- Kay |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
Vivek.M wrote:
though a doc i spoke to suggested every 1 year, if you are past 65 and garden. In the UK (and this is uk.rec.gardening) the advice is very different. In fact, my Doctor refuses to give the 10-year booster to anyone over 50 at all. I can't imagine any way you would be able to get an annual booster. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
wrote in message ups.com... : Vivek.M wrote: : though a doc i spoke to suggested every 1 year, if : you are past 65 and garden. : : In the UK (and this is uk.rec.gardening) the advice is very different. : In fact, my Doctor refuses to give the 10-year booster to anyone over : 50 at all. I can't imagine any way you would be able to get an annual : booster. Same advice at my docs,tetanus jab not necessary if you had the 3 jab course : |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
In article , Malcolm writes: | | Who should we believe, the NHS, the Indians, or your somewhat alarmist | (if I may say so) advice? Unless, of course, you are a qualified | medic??? Why on earth would that make the slightest difference? None of those organisations are at all reliable on such topics. In my life, the dogmatically held belief (and it was usually that, and not just a recommendation) has changed from every three years, to every five years, to every ten years, to seven shots in all, to five shots in all, to every ten years, to five shots in all to God knows what it is now. And, as usual, few of the changes were based on looking at the statistics, and none were based on a controlled experiment; some were openly admitted to be economically or politically inspired. Every year does seem excessive, and that wasn't the recommendation even in 1950, but whether every five or ten, or five shots in all, is more of a matter of guesswork than anything else. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
In article , "Robert" writes: | | Same advice at my docs,tetanus jab not necessary if you had the 3 jab course Only THREE? That's the lowest I have heard of yet. I have some reason to believe that advice isn't entirely reliable, and is based more on political and economic grounds than medical ones. However, all of the recommendations are based on what is an acceptable level of risk (i.e. immunity is NOT absolute, despite what dogma says), and I don't know the actual numbers. Given the fact that the main source of tetanus spores largely dried up over a century back, the number of viable ones much be dropping off. They are very durable, but a century is a long time even for durable spores. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , Malcolm writes: | | Who should we believe, the NHS, the Indians, or your somewhat alarmist | (if I may say so) advice? Unless, of course, you are a qualified | medic??? Why on earth would that make the slightest difference? None of those organisations are at all reliable on such topics. In my life, the dogmatically held belief (and it was usually that, and not just a recommendation) has changed from every three years, to every five years, to every ten years, to seven shots in all, to five shots in all, to every ten years, to five shots in all to God knows what it is now. And, as usual, few of the changes were based on looking at the statistics, and none were based on a controlled experiment; some were openly admitted to be economically or politically inspired. Every year does seem excessive, and that wasn't the recommendation even in 1950, but whether every five or ten, or five shots in all, is more of a matter of guesswork than anything else. Regards, Nick Maclaren. I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned economically motivated. My Doctor said that they no longer give the injection as routine and would only consider it for a very high risk situation of which gardening was not one. I never managed to find out what high risk consisted of. I remember when any cut ended up with that very painful injection on the bum. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
I remember when any cut ended up with that very painful injection on the bum. :-(( Ah yes :-(( But that was for a Boil on the back of the neck !!!!!!!!!!! Mike who never did see the connection :-(( other than it was the same body .......................... MINE!!!!!!! -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
On 29/7/06 17:36, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote: snip I remember when any cut ended up with that very painful injection on the bum. I don't remember the injections as especially painful and I had them in my arm. What I do recall is that a hard little bump remained under the skin for many months afterwards. The only injection that ever knocked me flying was Rubella which I had in my mid-thirties. I was in bed for two days after that one! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (email address on website) |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
Nick Maclaren wrote:
In article , "Robert" writes: | | Same advice at my docs,tetanus jab not necessary if you had the 3 jab course Only THREE? That's the lowest I have heard of yet. I've only ever had 3 - one at one point as a booster - but after what you say I looked at this: http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...ectionId=12478 It only refers to the initial jab, mind, not the boosers. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 29/7/06 17:36, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote: snip I remember when any cut ended up with that very painful injection on the bum. I don't remember the injections as especially painful and I had them in my arm. What I do recall is that a hard little bump remained under the skin for many months afterwards. The only injection that ever knocked me flying was Rubella which I had in my mid-thirties. I was in bed for two days after that one! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (email address on website) My Mum, who was a nurse, told me that it was painful because of the large volume of liquid injected. They probably gave it on the bum (pardon the expression) so that you could not see the massive syringe. Why you have Rubella injection at 30 something? Sumat to do with impending pregnancy etc? |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
In article , Malcolm writes: | | Only THREE? That's the lowest I have heard of yet. I have some reason | to believe that advice isn't entirely reliable, and is based more on | political and economic grounds than medical ones. | | Well, as you're not a medic, what is the basis for your claim that the | NHS are wrong? Firstly, I didn't say that they were wrong - I said that their advice was unreliable. Please read what I say and don't misquote. Secondly, my "some reason" includes having read official statements saying precisely that the advice was being changed on economic grounds, as well as being sufficiently clued-up to be aware of the target-based politics in the NHS. Thirdly, I am a statistician, and therefore far better qualified than 95% of medics and 99% of the NHS and politicians to evaluate such data. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | | Given the fact that the main source of tetanus spores largely dried up | over a century back, the number of viable ones much be dropping off. | | ??? | | The lower incidence in the UK today, surely reflects widespread | human vaccination. No. Even if I am wrong (see below), a more important factor would be that a negligible proportion of people work on the land nowadays, and a small proportion of even those work work on land used for livestock. | www.nathnac.org/pro/factsheets/tetanus.htm | | says | | "Tetanus spores are present in the intestine and dung of horses, sheep, | cattle, dogs, cats, rats, guinea pigs and chickens, and are passed into | soil via faeces, making them ubiquitous in the environment." My understanding is that tetanus does not reproduce in the intestine of mammals, but infects them, and produces spores as the dead body decomposes. That source dried up over a century back. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
On 29/7/06 18:13, in article , "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)"
wrote: snip My Mum, who was a nurse, told me that it was painful because of the large volume of liquid injected. They probably gave it on the bum (pardon the expression) so that you could not see the massive syringe. Why you have Rubella injection at 30 something? Sumat to do with impending pregnancy etc? Having had one pregnancy during which I remembered I'd never had Rubella or the immunisation, I thought I better get the jab before I had any more children. So I did and I did! As I say, my Tet injections were in the arm and I don't remember either massive syringes or pain but maybe nature has been merciful to my memory or maybe things were a bit simpler in the 70s! I recall that either Typhoid or Hepatitis jabs - one of those - made me feel a bit peelly wally for a couple of hours but that's all. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (email address on website) |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:52:56 +0100, Malcolm wrote:
READ: http://www.indianpediatrics.net/feb1999/feb-198-200.htm That's the best article i found on the net that CLEARLY explains what is what! I note that the above URL refers to the situation in India. The advice given by the UK National Health Service differs in saying: http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles...ArticleId=1039 "Tetanus – if all childhood vaccinations are up-to-date, a tetanus booster is only needed for people who are at risk of getting tetanus following injury." The recommended five-dose tetanus immunization schedule is a primary course of three plus two further booster doses 10 years apart. Who should we believe, the NHS, the Indians, or your somewhat alarmist (if I may say so) advice? Unless, of course, you are a qualified medic??? I never claimed that i was a medic - My purpose was to remind my fellow gardners about their periodic Tetanus shots and what things to look into when they see their doc about cuts and bruises (the importance of a TIG shot and the difference between a TIG and a tetanus-vaccine). "Alarmist" - is merely a point of view - Remember when you call my views alarmist you are taking a stand, on something that you yourself MAY not be qualified to comment on..Anyway, the important thing here is to remind ppl to get their 5/10/whatever year shots and let them decide after interacting with the doc and checking on the Internet and talking to people. On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 15:52:56 +0100, Malcolm wrote: The recommended five-dose tetanus immunization schedule is a primary course of three plus two further booster doses 10 years apart. The Mayo Clinic has some info: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tet...227/DSECTION=7 This what they say: "The DTaP vaccine consists of a series of five shots, typically administered in the arm or thigh and given to children at ages: * 2 months * 4 months * 6 months * 15 to 18 months * 4 to 6 years" "Adults should receive a routine tetanus booster shot every 10 years." "If you receive a deep or dirty wound and it has been more than five years since your last booster shot, get another booster shot." http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/696_tet.html [Adult immunization] "Immunization is especially recommended for: adults, especially those 50 years and older, because most of the tetanus cases in recent years have occurred in this age group" "In some individuals, antibody levels may fall too low to provide protection before 10 years have passed. That's why people who sustain a deep or contaminated wound should receive a booster dose if it has been more than five years since the last dose." http://www.drreddy.com/shots/tetanus.html [Drug company - spells it out clearly] "If you are exposed to tetanus within 5 years after your last dose of vaccine (toxoid), you do not need a booster. If it's between 5 and 10 years after your last dose, you need an early dose of vaccine. If you haven't had a tetanus immunization in more than 10 years you will need to have both toxoid and TIG to give you full protection." |
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On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:11:42 +0100, "Robert" wrote:
Same advice at my docs,tetanus jab not necessary if you had the 3 jab course Rob, that doesn't sound right! "The immune system recognizes vaccine agents as foreign, destroys them, and 'remembers' them." - Wiki. Trouble is, this memory isn't perfect and needs constant reminding every so many years..A persons ability to handle tetanus toxoids depends on a lot of things like age/size-of-wound/levels-of- clostridium/ levels-of-antibodies-in-blood-stream. Actually i dont quite understand what the big fuss is all about - It's a no brainer to me. I take my shot every 5 years and i keep my immune system up-to-date (sort of like updating my PC's anti-virus *grin*) I then get a license to root about, and roll around, in the mud all i want. I'd be glad to write a short reminder for URG so that newbies to gardening are aware about the periodic tetanus shot requirement. |
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"Vivek.M" wrote in message ... On 29 Jul 2006 08:53:56 -0700, wrote: Vivek.M wrote: though a doc i spoke to suggested every 1 year, if you are past 65 and garden. In the UK (and this is uk.rec.gardening) the advice is very different. In fact, my Doctor refuses to give the 10-year booster to anyone over 50 at all. I can't imagine any way you would be able to get an annual booster. I don't think that he is right. Do remember that tetanus is no respecter of nationality - Plus the whole uk.rec thing implies that the newsgroup is for uk specific gardening (issues), but surely that doesn't mean you can't quote from web-site's outside the UK! It depends upon the origin, if it's american they like to frighten people without any positive reason. Alan Check out the FDA ( Food and Drug Administration ) web site: "http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/696_tet.html" (American regulatory body) " Immunization is especially recommended for: * adults, especially those 50 years and older, because most of the tetanus cases in recent years have occurred in this age group." "In some individuals, antibody levels may fall too low to provide protection before 10 years have passed. That's why people who sustain a deep or contaminated wound should receive a booster dose if it has been more than five years since the last dose." http://www.drreddy.com/shots/tetanus.html ( A Indian pharmaceutical firm) "If you are exposed to tetanus within 5 years after your last dose of vaccine (toxoid), you do not need a booster. If it's between 5 and 10 years after your last dose, you need an early dose of vaccine. If you haven't had a tetanus immunization in more than 10 years you will need to have both toxoid and TIG to give you full protection." |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
Clearly there are differences in UK and US recommendations. I worked
with NHS managers for several years and had the opportunity to discuss vaccination policy with many clinicians. Although I totally accept that economic decisions are a reality in today's NHS, I believe that virtually all GPs will advise their patients on the basis of what is correct clinically even if the NHS will not pay (for example many travel vaccinations are only available privately). The following website contains articles by GPs both for the general public and other GPs. The advice on tetanus is broadly that if someone has been through the full UK child immunisation programme (they receive 3 shots as a baby, another as part of the pre-school booster and another as part of the school-leaver vaccination) then they do not normally require any further tetanus vaccination (unless they are travelling to some place where medical attention will not be available). However the child vaccination programme only began in the UK in 1961 so some older adults may not have been fully vaccinated. You may find these of interest info for patients from Patient UK website - http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/23068839/ info for GPs from Patient UK website - http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40024824/ detailed info for clinicians (from "Green Book") - http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/11/78/31/04117831.pdf |
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In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | | My understanding is that tetanus does not reproduce in the intestine of | mammals, but infects them, and produces spores as the dead body decomposes. | That source dried up over a century back. | | http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000432/ also disagrees with you | | "Tetanus | | Infection with Clostridium tetani, a spore-forming Gram-positive | obligate anaerobe. Spores are found in virtually all soil, particularly | soil rich in manure, but also in house dust and both animal and human | faeces. " No, it doesn't. It says that the spores are found in those locations, and NOT that it reproduces in those locations. Spores can't reproduce by themselves, you know, and the vegetative (reproductive) state of tetanus is very sensitive to adverse conditions - not just oxygen. Because of the extreme durability and small size of the spores, ones produced from decaying animal carcases will get into the soil, be a component of soil dust in dry conditions, and blow into other locations. So the fact that the spores are found everywhere does not mean that the vegetative form can grow anywhere. I haven't found a clear statement of its life cycle in an authoritative reference, so my understanding may be wrong. However, your references do nothing to contradict it. The reason that I am uncertain is that other Clostridium species are common gut bacteria, and it is possible that it does reproduce in the intestine of mammals - in which case, it almost certainly does so in ours as well as those of domestic mammals. But I have seen no more than a hint in anything I have read that that is the case - the above hints at that, but does not state it. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message ... My Mum, who was a nurse, told me that it was painful because of the large volume of liquid injected. They probably gave it on the bum (pardon the expression) so that you could not see the massive syringe. Why you have Rubella injection at 30 something? Sumat to do with impending pregnancy etc? |
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"SallyJ" wrote in message ups.com... The advice on tetanus is broadly that if someone has been through the full UK child immunisation programme (they receive 3 shots as a baby, another as part of the pre-school booster and another as part of the school-leaver vaccination) then they do not normally require any further tetanus vaccination (unless they are travelling to some place where medical attention will not be available). However the child vaccination programme only began in the UK in 1961 so some older adults may not have been fully vaccinated. I'm way older than that. I've had two tetanus shots (very painful) in my life, many years ago, both as a routine after accidents. I'd refuse them now. I'm a gardener who gets a lot of minor damage to my skin and flesh, what's more I have chickens in the garden, they range freely and 'fertilise' the soil. I also have no lymph nodes under one arm so in theory am at danger from the slightest bite, scratch, sting, burn or other damage and if I sustain such damage should have an antibiotic shot as a matter of urgency. That's the latest thinking. I expect it will change. As will the flu vaccination programme, for whatever reason. A flu jab has never been applied to me despite my eligibility. That doesn't mean that I refuse medical intervention for all conditions by the way, I've had breast cancer and brain tumour surgery. It's just that some 'preventive' interventions seem to me to be irrelevant and I'm prepared to take whatever risk there is and meanwhile enjoy a full and active life without worrying. I somehow have managed to survive without spending my life at the other end of a needle. Mary |
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In article , Mary Fisher" writes: | "Rupert (W.Yorkshire)" wrote in message | ... | | My Mum, who was a nurse, told me that it was painful because of the large | volume of liquid injected. They probably gave it on the bum (pardon the | expression) so that you could not see the massive syringe. Tetanus has not had to inject a large volume since 1950 (I can't speak for before then), and has never been amoung the nastier injections. It has normally been given in the shoulder, and the syringe never was massive. Compared to TAB (Typhoid and Paratyphoid A and B), it was and less nasty - the latter caused and causes a lot of bad reactions. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
I also have no lymph nodes under one arm so in theory am at danger from the slightest bite, scratch, sting, burn or other damage and if I sustain such damage should have an antibiotic shot as a matter of urgency. That's the latest thinking. I expect it will change. I have been given a health warnings for those with no lymph nodes is recent months and it didn't involve an outomatic jab. It was to use antiseptic to clean any wound (even a scratch) and to then dress the wound and to use an antiseptic cream in association with the dressing. Rose thorns are said to be the most dangerous for the development of cellulitis. I too have always been careless about my own health but given the right rollicking I got about what happens with cellulitis and how easily and quickly it can develop from even a small scratch, I now follow the routine. Why take the risk when the rememdy is so easy? |
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On 30 Jul 2006 10:07:06 GMT, (Nick Maclaren) wrote:
No, it doesn't. It says that the spores are found in those locations, and NOT that it reproduces in those locations. Spores can't reproduce by themselves, you know, and the vegetative (reproductive) state of tetanus is very sensitive to adverse conditions - not just oxygen. Nick, C.Tetani DOES NOT require a host, dead or alive, to survive and breed. Not only that, spores can and do change (quickly) from being metabolically in-active to active, reproducing bacterial cells when they encounter suitable conditions (PH, lack of O2, temperature). I asked a friend who is doing his micro-bio plus i googled it. The spores themselves don't reproduce, but in a O2 deficit environment (possibly wet clay soil and wounds) the bacteria ought to thrive. http://www.bookrags.com/sciences/gen...ia-gen-02.html (Look for "Clostrodium") http://www.textbookofbacteriology.net/clostridia.html (Look for "ancient organisms") |
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In article , Vivek.M writes: | | Nick, C.Tetani DOES NOT require a host, dead or alive, to survive and | breed. ... The first reference gave no indication of the environment in which it breeds, and the second I already referred to. You may be right, but I remain skeptical about ALL definite statements about its life cycle. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Same advice at my docs,tetanus jab not necessary if you had the 3
jab course : In A & E recently after an accident at work, when I couldn't remember how long it had been since my last booster the doc gave me a tetanus jab 'just in case'. He told me it wouldn't matter if I had one every day - it would just be a waste of time and money to have them frequently. And no they aren't painful these days - I remember some stiffness after one I had in the 1950s. -- Rod My real address is rodtheweedygardeneratmyweedyisp Just remove the weedy bits and transplant the appropriate symbol at. |
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"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message
Janet Baraclough writes: | | My understanding is that tetanus does not reproduce in the intestine of | mammals, but infects them, and produces spores as the dead body decomposes. | That source dried up over a century back. | | http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000432/ also disagrees with you | | "Tetanus | | Infection with Clostridium tetani, a spore-forming Gram-positive | obligate anaerobe. Spores are found in virtually all soil, particularly | soil rich in manure, but also in house dust and both animal and human | faeces. " No, it doesn't. It says that the spores are found in those locations, and NOT that it reproduces in those locations. Since the spores are still in the UK (as they are worldwide), it is immaterial whether the spores reproduce in the gut of mammals or not. The most likely source of infection for gardeners would in all likelihood be from a wound sustained whilst gardening and such a wound could give acess to the spores. I doubt whether too many gardeners ingest a lot of soil and so don't need to worry about the reproduction or otherwise of tetanus spores in their gut.. |
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In article , "David D Stretch" writes: | | On a personal note. I spent effectively 6 months in a semi-rural part | of central China recently (with a short break in the middle when I had | to return to the UK unexpectedly). The number of jabs I was advised to | get before I went did not include Typhoid, and my GP's nurses, who had | had to phone up people to get advice as to what jabs I ought to get, | said it wasn't necessary when I asked about it. Additionally, when I | sliced open my finger 3 days after getting back in March, the A&E | department, as it was being stiched up, asked if I'd had Typhoid jabs, | and when I said the last one I had had was back in 1980 after being | bitten by a rat, they said they didn't think I needed one now. I am | over 50, though. Well, typhoid isn't generally an infectious agents of cuts, so they may have got confused :-) Apparently, the reason that the recommendation changed is that so many more people (from the West) were dying from reaction to TAB than were likely to be saved by it. It gives only a moderate (c. 70%) immunity, anyway, and is a VERY nasty jab from the reaction point of view. Also, it rarely kills people in good health who are given even moderate medical treatment (mainly against dehydration and exhaustion). It is only acute and persistant diarrhoea, after all. Tetanus is rather different .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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In article , "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow writes: | | Since the spores are still in the UK (as they are worldwide), it is | immaterial whether the spores reproduce in the gut of mammals or not. No, it is not, if you think about it. If it isn't, then the main source of spores in the UK dried up over a century back, and the number of viable spores in the soil will be dropping as time goes on. If it is a normal gut commensual, then the spore level might be maintained in soil to which animals have access. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"David D Stretch" wrote in message news:xn0epc9tx16vrs000--- ... Additionally, when I sliced open my finger 3 days after getting back in March, the A&E department, as it was being stiched up, asked if I'd had Typhoid jabs, and when I said the last one I had had was back in 1980 after being bitten by a rat, they said they didn't think I needed one now. I am over 50, though. Perhaps they think we oldies aren't worth bothering to save :-) Mary |
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Perhaps they think we oldies aren't worth bothering to save :-) Mary When is 'old'? I can think of some younger than me not worth saving :-(( Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message I also have no lymph nodes under one arm so in theory am at danger from the slightest bite, scratch, sting, burn or other damage and if I sustain such damage should have an antibiotic shot as a matter of urgency. That's the latest thinking. I expect it will change. I have been given a health warnings for those with no lymph nodes is recent months and it didn't involve an outomatic jab. Different health advisers have different approaches. It was to use antiseptic to clean any wound (even a scratch) and to then dress the wound and to use an antiseptic cream in association with the dressing. That was forbidden by my advisers :-) Rose thorns are said to be the most dangerous for the development of cellulitis. :-) I too have always been careless about my own health but given the right rollicking I got about what happens with cellulitis and how easily and quickly it can develop from even a small scratch, I now follow the routine. Why take the risk when the rememdy is so easy? I drive a car. I eat raw food - including raw eggs. I breathe unfiletered air. We all have lectures about risks. Life isn't without risks. I want to live well and not spend my life bandaged, smelling of TCP or at the end of a needle. I have damage to my hand and arm most days ... Mary |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:44:36 +0530, Vivek.M wrote:
Here's another nice link from a online microbiology text: http://www.bact.wisc.edu/Microtextbo...icle&artid=139 Nice book - looks interesting - has lots of basic stuff on microbes - quite cool. I'll quote the interesting bits with regard to C.Tetani : "These catalytic proteins are some of the most toxic substances known with lethal doses for a mouse being between 0.1 to 1 ng/kg of body weight." "Before vaccination greatly reduced the incidence of tetanus, any deep wound was a potential breeding ground for this pathogen." "Today, tetanus is most common in the elderly who have not kept current with their vaccinations. Interestingly, gardening is an activity that tends to be correlated with cases of tetanus." "Microbes of the Clostridium genus are Gram positive and strictly anaerobic, fermenting a wide variety of organic molecules. They are capable of forming endospores and because of this are ubiquitous in the environment. About one-third of soil samples contain C. tetani, and C. botulinum is equally common. " "Early diagnosis and treatment are important to prevent fatality in each case. Assistance in breathing may be necessary in severe cases, and this may be necessary for weeks or months." "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years. " Anyway, hopefully ppl will update their license and maybe this could be added to the URG FAQ, as a cautionary note to newbies to gardening. I'll mail Mr.Cormaic regarding this. Night all. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
I drive a car. I eat raw food - including raw eggs. I breathe unfiletered air. We all have lectures about risks. Life isn't without risks. I want to live well and not spend my life bandaged, smelling of TCP or at the end of a needle. I have damage to my hand and arm most days ... Mary :-)) I did the World Cruise on Aurora between January and March, .........DIDN'T I SACHA?.... and at one of the Ports of Call, I think if was in Fiji, THAT'S IN THE PACIFIC SACHA ISNT IT? ...... there was a sign on the dock which said ........ """Your Safety is in YOUR hands""""" :-(( Oh if only we could return to these thoughts and responsibilities. !!!!!!!!!!! Mike -- ------------------------------------------------ Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
In article , Janet Baraclough writes: | | You said, above, that the UK source of soil-borne tetanus spores, | had dried up over a century ago. That is what I (and the websites | quoted) refute. No, they don't. They hint that it is wrong, but don't state it. For example, the claim that spores are found in soil rich in manure (a) might be based on old data, a commonly repeated myth, or data from other countries or (b) be due to ingested spores passing through intact and being concentrated in the manure. Also, I did not say that. I said that my understanding was that it is the case. I am aware that it might be wrong, but so far I have seen nothing beyond vague implications that it might be. That is all those Web sites do. | Look up clostridium difficile; which is gut borne and causes gut | problems in humans (does not produce the symptoms of "lockjaw" tetanus). | It makes far more people ill than tetanus (in the UK) and is on the | increase. Why do you think I said what I said? "The reason that I am uncertain is that other Clostridium species are common gut bacteria, ...." Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:35:26 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: "David D Stretch" wrote in message news:xn0epc9tx16vrs000--- ... Additionally, when I sliced open my finger 3 days after getting back in March, the A&E department, as it was being stiched up, asked if I'd had Typhoid jabs, and when I said the last one I had had was back in 1980 after being bitten by a rat, they said they didn't think I needed one now. I am over 50, though. Perhaps they think we oldies aren't worth bothering to save :-) Sadly, you are right. Well, I was joking, that hasn't been our experience. Spouse at 67 has just been scheduled to have major surgery because he is relatively young and very healthy, fit and active. Mary |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from Vivek.M contains these words: "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years. " No adults in the UK get, or require, booster vaccinations against diptheria; because it died out here decades ago. In other countries, or climates, that may not be the case. When are you going to understand, that health or gardening advice VARIES according to local circumstances. What is appropriate for America, may be completely inappropriate in India , or Britain. This is a UK group, about UK conditions. Anyway, hopefully ppl will update their license We don't have health licenses here. and maybe this could be added to the URG FAQ, as a cautionary note to newbies to gardening. I'll mail Mr.Cormaic regarding this. It would not be appropriate to add UK-irrelevant "advice" to the urg FAQ, since urg's charter limits it to discussions relevant to gardening in the UK. . Hurrah! Mary |
Tetanus every 5-10 years - Please Read - Important!
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 18:29:58 +0100, Janet Baraclough wrote:
"Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years. " No adults in the UK get, or require, booster vaccinations against diptheria; because it died out here decades ago. In other countries, or climates, that may not be the case. When are you going to understand, that health or gardening advice VARIES according to local circumstances. What is appropriate for America, may be completely inappropriate in India , or Britain. Janet: "Boosters are given to adults in the form of the tetanus and diphtheria vaccine every 10 years" I was quoteing from the web site page, therefore i didn't edit out the diphtheria bit..What i meant was that i'd tell Mr.Cormaic to include stuff on Tetanus. Diphtheria would have no releavance to gardening anyway.. This is a UK group, about UK conditions. Anyway, hopefully ppl will update their license We don't have health licenses here. This was a metaphor *sigh* We don't have a Tet-vac license either. It would not be appropriate to add UK-irrelevant "advice" to the urg FAQ, since urg's charter limits it to discussions relevant to gardening in the UK. . I thought the whole tetanus thing was UK relevant which is why i posted. Here's a bit from YOUR charter: "Please note that this exclusion relates to subject matter, not people, and posters from around the globe will be welcome to participate in or initiate discussion of UK-relevant topics." Anyway, i dislike the constant reminders and the whole thing isn't worth it so i'll quit URG/RG completely. The tech channels are a lot more comfortable. It would make more sense to edit your charter and knock out the "around the globe" bit. |
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