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Good afternoon all,
What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith |
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On Feb 4, 3:55 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote: Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith I'm certainly not a snob and I'm with you Keith, some peoples' gardens look like something from Steptoe & Son and what with all the recycling rubbish littered everywhere, their plots or gardens look shabby. JudithL at home |
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In message , "Keith (Dorset)"
writes Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Oh dear! Guilty as charged, although to my knowledge, I have never admitted it here eight or so years of subscribing. No old baths or tyres but old weighing scales, watering cans, discarded but whole pot ornaments, shelves, tennis rackets, candles etc etc . Junk by anyone's standards but I like it:) -- June Hughes |
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" writes On Feb 4, 3:55 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)" wrote: Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith I'm certainly not a snob and I'm with you Keith, some peoples' gardens look like something from Steptoe & Son and what with all the recycling rubbish littered everywhere, their plots or gardens look shabby. Well, Judith, my garden has old junk in it but doesn't look a bit shabby. However, it does not have items such as old baths or tyres. I do admit to having a Belfast sink, ancient chimney pots etc but it's my garden and I shall do as I please with it. If people don't like it (and all our friends do, than goodness) they know where the door is. -- June Hughes |
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wrote: On Feb 4, 3:55 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)" wrote: Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith I'm certainly not a snob and I'm with you Keith, some peoples' gardens look like something from Steptoe & Son and what with all the recycling rubbish littered everywhere, their plots or gardens look shabby. JudithL at home- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I haven't used my going-to-the-tip-car all over the winter and now it's become a raised bed for maple saplings and various fungal life. I think I might take the wheels off for planters and leave the car on bricks ;-) |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ... Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Probably so that we don't stick out to much in our old cardies :~)) Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? No - you have a tidy mind :~)) Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith jenny |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. It's even worse on some allotment sites. We have today finished putting down ex-Council 2ftx3ft paving slabs (bloody heavy they were too!) along all our paths on our plot to cut down on the mud and so it looks nice. -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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On 4 Feb, 15:55, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote: Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) In winter I must say I see lots more 'rubbish' as you call it than in the summer. The grass usually in the summer covers it and stuff sprouts out of all those empty containers which I'm sure the gardener had intended to use for something but didn't get around to it. It's a bit of a contradiction to recognise that recycling is important and at the same time criticise those who 'collect' rubbish for another usefull life again, isn't it Keith?! ;o) But I'm with you with 'untidy' look of it all. I collect, I'm a crazy collector, but I'm arty (I think) with it all and I have two sheds and I try to keep everything in order. I'm not yet a bag lady, but the joy I get when I find an old container, a bottle, an old waterring can, whatever, makes me feel so good! I was given a fancy cahoutchouc vase, very popular a few years ago. I didn't like the colour, and I felt it unsafe with water and flowers in it. I instead used it to grow some cucumber. I only got praised for it as it look fun and the container was perfect to keep the moisture needed for the plant ... http://cjoint.com/?cerBKzGfji And then there's the little views you can create with an old window frame .... http://cjoint.com/?cerHXyYtjq Old bikes for climbers, metal sculptures to sunbathe on (if you're a butterfly) and old park benches .... http://cjoint.com/?cerSf5Vtok http://cjoint.com/?cerS5RFF3p http://cjoint.com/?cerTEx2l8R There's a use for everything. That's only the house, you haven't yet seen my lotty ;o) |
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"La Puce" wrote in message ups.com... But I'm with you with 'untidy' look of it all. I collect, I'm a crazy collector, but I'm arty (I think) with it all and I have two sheds and I try to keep everything in order. I'm not yet a bag lady, but the joy I get when I find an old container, a bottle, an old waterring can, whatever, makes me feel so good! I've several plants in huge grey plastic container that came from as kip outside a Chinese restaurant....they have nice chinese writing on them - even though it probably says "salted fish best before...." I was given a fancy cahoutchouc vase, very popular a few years ago. I didn't like the colour, and I felt it unsafe with water and flowers in it. I instead used it to grow some cucumber. I only got praised for it as it look fun and the container was perfect to keep the moisture needed for the plant ... http://cjoint.com/?cerBKzGfji WOWeeeeeeeee! Jenny |
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"Martin" wrote after"Bob Hobden" wrote: "Keith (Dorset)" wrote What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. It's even worse on some allotment sites. We have today finished putting down ex-Council 2ftx3ft paving slabs (bloody heavy they were too!) along all our paths on our plot to cut down on the mud and so it looks nice. We use crushed seashells. Last year, the first on this plot, we put down fresh bark chippings which did the job except that this winter the mud has come up through, hardy surprising considering the amount of rain. Won't have that problem again now. -- Regards Bob H 17mls W. of London.UK |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ... Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith Hi, I have a planted toilet at the bottom (sic ) of my garden, complete with backdrop of raised toilet seat. Also old electric fire, quite ornate, which i planted last year, imitatation black lead and brass. I have several black plastic buckets which I purchased for 10p each from a local florist which normally have gardeners delight and other sundry plants in during summer. Not got any tyres yet but thats a thought. Could get grandaughter to paint them different colours, she would have fun with that. Have sweet pea seedlings in toilet roll cardboard tubes, they rot down but initially keep the moisture in well. Grandaughter and wife are making me bird feeders out of margarine containers next week, saw that on cbeebies today. grandaughter is 6 yrs old by the way. I am not a snob but find gardening enjoyable and fun, my garden is not for show but for the family, includes 2 dogs as family. regards Cineman P.S. each to his/her own. |
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writes "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ... Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith Hi, I have a planted toilet at the bottom (sic ) of my garden, complete with backdrop of raised toilet seat. Also old electric fire, quite ornate, which i planted last year, imitatation black lead and brass. I have several black plastic buckets which I purchased for 10p each from a local florist which normally have gardeners delight and other sundry plants in during summer. Not got any tyres yet but thats a thought. Could get grandaughter to paint them different colours, she would have fun with that. Have sweet pea seedlings in toilet roll cardboard tubes, they rot down but initially keep the moisture in well. Grandaughter and wife are making me bird feeders out of margarine containers next week, saw that on cbeebies today. grandaughter is 6 yrs old by the way. I am not a snob but find gardening enjoyable and fun, my garden is not for show but for the family, includes 2 dogs as family. regards Cineman P.S. each to his/her own. I agree entirely. -- June Hughes |
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On 4 Feb, 21:16, "cineman"
wrote: I have a planted toilet at the bottom (sic ) of my garden, complete with backdrop of raised toilet seat. Our toilet sink and roll ... http://cjoint.com/?cewIcRfdNd http://cjoint.com/?cewIFGGdWv And kid's harvest, including picnic on an old bit of carpet tee hee http://cjoint.com/?cewLckNS4N |
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On 4/2/07 21:16, in article ,
"cineman" wrote: snip I have a planted toilet at the bottom (sic ) of my garden, complete with backdrop of raised toilet seat. Also old electric fire, quite ornate, which i planted last year, imitatation black lead and brass. I have several black plastic buckets which I purchased for 10p each from a local florist which normally have gardeners delight and other sundry plants in during summer. Not got any tyres yet but thats a thought. Could get grandaughter to paint them different colours, she would have fun with that. Have sweet pea seedlings in toilet roll cardboard tubes, they rot down but initially keep the moisture in well. Grandaughter and wife are making me bird feeders out of margarine containers next week, saw that on cbeebies today. grandaughter is 6 yrs old by the way. I am not a snob but find gardening enjoyable and fun, my garden is not for show but for the family, includes 2 dogs as family. regards Cineman P.S. each to his/her own. If you can't express yourself in your own house or garden......well! It's not MY kind of gardening but mine wouldn't be everyone else's, either. I cannot bear gardens where things are planted in tidy rows and don't dare flag in case they're ripped out and chucked on the bonfire - to others, those are the perfect gardens. I don't like plants tucked into redundant wellies and wheelbarrows, others love that. I suspect it's the same with homes - we are of average untidiness which some would find chaotic. I've never had a kitchen that didn't have a 'chaos corner'. OTOH, I have friends who cannot bear to have a book put down on a table even while it's being read. It has to go back into the book case to be taken out again for future reading. That drives *me* mad but my 'untidiness' in leaving a book open and face down on a table, drove them mad when I stayed with them! I knew people who had silk flowers in hanging baskets because they couldn't stand the 'mess' of fallen leaves and petals....... -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? One man's junk is another man's treasure. I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, Old baths make ideal worm farms (and they even have a drainage hole under which to put a bucket for worm liquid) and tyres are very good containers in which to grow potatoes. They can be stacked as the potatoes grow and thus take into account the ability of spuds to keep sending out roots right up the stem as they are buried. half rotten roof battens, encourages microflora in the breakdaown process. plastic bottles Hmmph! Have you never seen the water spikes that are stuck into the ground and then have an inverted plastic bottle full of water stuck into the water spike? Probably not, but it can make the difference between having a live plant or a dead one. You must live in a climate where it still rains. and discarded carpet Wonderful material for putting under mulched paths as it stops weeds in their tracks (but it must be either a pure wool carpet or an old fashioned underfelt that is of the real felt variety) .... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Don't know what this thing is. Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Gardens that incorporate old baths, old carpet, rotting roof battens and plastic bottles can be just as neat in appearance as any other. It's probably more to do with design and size than any real claim to being neat. Any tiny garden can be as neat as a cutlery drawer as can any garden that is properly designed with designated work areas for all tasks. What is harder to achieve is to have a neat garden when it is still in the development phase or that is struggling for some reason. My garden couldn't currently be descrided as "neat" as it's in full blown drought and the dead grass where there once was a lawn is not a pretty sight for neatnicks. Others who are also gardening in drought would know just how good my garden currently is, given the conditions. Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... Perhaps you just need to look at some things in a different way? For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. I had a huge pile of weeds that needed to be got rid of, but then I realised that if I could grow spuds under straw, I could grow spuds under weeds. I now have a thriving extra patch of spuds under weeds (in addition to the spuds under straw). By doing this I'm effectively turning the weeds into compost by sheet mulching. It works and works well, but then I have a big garden and another garden on another farm and I have to do things that work within the time constraints. Live is too short for me to run anal gardens. |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
"Martin" wrote after"Bob Hobden" wrote: It's even worse on some allotment sites. We have today finished putting down ex-Council 2ftx3ft paving slabs (bloody heavy they were too!) along all our paths on our plot to cut down on the mud and so it looks nice. We use crushed seashells. Last year, the first on this plot, we put down fresh bark chippings which did the job except that this winter the mud has come up through, hardy surprising considering the amount of rain. Won't have that problem again now. If you had just put some old carpet on the paths before you put down that topping of fresh bark chippings, you wouldn't have had the problem with the mud coming through :-)) |
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Monty Python - we want a snobbery!
-- I smile and go off waving (Amiably) - for that's my way Baal http://www.helden.org.uk "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ... Good afternoon all, What IS this total obsession that many gardeners seem to have with junk? I'm talking about: old baths and tyres, half rotten roof battens, plastic bottles and discarded carpet.... then there's the 'Blue Peter' greenhouse? Does incorporating neatly laid paths and raised beds - (and trying out new and colourful vegatable varieties make me a gardening snob)? Well, I'm, not - nor am I made of money...... yet the only crap I can stand in our garden comes from the local stables - and the veg. grows all the same. Have fun whatever. ;-) Keith -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Baal" wrote in message .. . Monty Python - we want a snobbery! Baal Nie ! Jenny |
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Monty Python - we want a snobbery! For some reason, when I read this a picture popped into my head from the book on Prince Charles garden at Highgrove. Anyone remember the pic of the structure made of roots? |
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On 6/2/07 00:46, in article
, "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "Baal" wrote in message Monty Python - we want a snobbery! For some reason, when I read this a picture popped into my head from the book on Prince Charles garden at Highgrove. Anyone remember the pic of the structure made of roots? aka The Stumpery, I think They were very popular with Victorians. When the Duke of Edinburgh saw it, he asked his son when he was going to have the bonfire. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ....... Perhaps you just need to look at some things in a different way? For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. I had a huge pile of weeds that needed to be got rid of, but then I realised that if I could grow spuds under straw, I could grow spuds under weeds. I now have a thriving extra patch of spuds under weeds (in addition to the spuds under straw). By doing this I'm effectively turning the weeds into compost by sheet mulching. It works and works well, but then I have a big garden and another garden on another farm and I have to do things that work within the time constraints. Live is too short for me to run anal gardens. Hi Farm 1, By concidence I have an extremely good idea about how cancer can disrupt things. My wife, who I look after, and who lives at home, has needed 24 hour care through a brain tumour that took a hold many years ago. Needless to say my gardening time is somewhat limited. The consultant told me back in 1988 that she might be fortunate and have around another ten years to live. We too therefore have been aware of how short life is... for a very long time. Anyway, I'm sorry if you took offence at my post. (re, your comment about 'anal gardens'). The purpose of my comment 'Have fun whatever' followed by the wink smiley was to indicate that that my message was not intended to cause offence - merely to start a lighthearted and topical thread. Best wishes, Keith |
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On Feb 6, 4:34 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote: For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. Oh my Darling man, my heart goes out to you, all day yesterday, my birthday I was thinking of my mum who died at 49 of cancer and my beloved sister who died just a few years ago with cancer of the spine, Daddy died 16 weeks after her and then I had a lcancedrous lump removed. But you are going through this now and even though I don't know you, if I can help in any way whatever, you only have to email me and I will give you my telephone number. By concidence I have an extremely good idea about how cancer can disrupt things. My wife, who I look after, and who lives at home, has needed 24 hour care through a brain tumour that took a hold many years ago. Needless to say my gardening time is somewhat limited. The consultant told me back in 1988 that she might be fortunate and have around another ten years to live. We too therefore have been aware of how short life is... for a very long time. Thank God she has proved him wrong and I'll bet those years you have had have been precious, this is too personal for a newsgroup so I will end here and with it my warmest best wishes go to you and your wife. JudithL xx |
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Hi, and thank you so much, I thought it would be nice to illustrate a 'happy scenario' after a diagnosis of cancer. (My wife is in no pain, appears very well, although often muddled, and we have a really terrific, happy time together - every day, despite her limitations). We even both got out into the garden today! Take care, Keith wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 6, 4:34 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)" wrote: For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. Oh my Darling man, my heart goes out to you, all day yesterday, my birthday I was thinking of my mum who died at 49 of cancer and my beloved sister who died just a few years ago with cancer of the spine, Daddy died 16 weeks after her and then I had a lcancedrous lump removed. But you are going through this now and even though I don't know you, if I can help in any way whatever, you only have to email me and I will give you my telephone number. By concidence I have an extremely good idea about how cancer can disrupt things. My wife, who I look after, and who lives at home, has needed 24 hour care through a brain tumour that took a hold many years ago. Needless to say my gardening time is somewhat limited. The consultant told me back in 1988 that she might be fortunate and have around another ten years to live. We too therefore have been aware of how short life is... for a very long time. Thank God she has proved him wrong and I'll bet those years you have had have been precious, this is too personal for a newsgroup so I will end here and with it my warmest best wishes go to you and your wife. JudithL xx |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote: "Baal" wrote in message Monty Python - we want a snobbery! For some reason, when I read this a picture popped into my head from the book on Prince Charles garden at Highgrove. Anyone remember the pic of the structure made of roots? aka The Stumpery, I think They were very popular with Victorians. When the Duke of Edinburgh saw it, he asked his son when he was going to have the bonfire. ;-) I'm with the Duke on that (and especially as I know how well and how hot, roots burn). It does have a certain rude charm about it. I do think it would be well named as a "Snobbery". |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message Perhaps you just need to look at some things in a different way? For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. I had a huge pile of weeds that needed to be got rid of, but then I realised that if I could grow spuds under straw, I could grow spuds under weeds. I now have a thriving extra patch of spuds under weeds (in addition to the spuds under straw). By doing this I'm effectively turning the weeds into compost by sheet mulching. It works and works well, but then I have a big garden and another garden on another farm and I have to do things that work within the time constraints. Live is too short for me to run anal gardens. Hi Farm 1, By concidence I have an extremely good idea about how cancer can disrupt things. My wife, who I look after, and who lives at home, has needed 24 hour care through a brain tumour that took a hold many years ago. Needless to say my gardening time is somewhat limited. The consultant told me back in 1988 that she might be fortunate and have around another ten years to live. We too therefore have been aware of how short life is... for a very long time. Anyway, I'm sorry if you took offence at my post. (re, your comment about 'anal gardens'). The purpose of my comment 'Have fun whatever' followed by the wink smiley was to indicate that that my message was not intended to cause offence - merely to start a lighthearted and topical thread. Hi Keith I didn't take offence at your post at all in any way, shape or form. If I ever do take offence, I go direct for the jugular and there will be no doubt that I am in attack mode (I am an Australian after all and our national reputation is certainly not one of being subtle in any way). I have a BIG garden (in fact 2 gardens - the one here is big and another on another farm which is only about a quarter of an acre, but I know that is considered big by comparison to many UK gardens). I am the sole gardener and as an woman in later middle age who has 2 bouts of differing primary cancers, I don't have the time or the physical strength to be as fussy as I could be. Not that I'd want to either. I think that gardens are so diverse that it's just about impossilbe to really talk about any garden as satisfying or meeting any sort of "standard" and that includes what is one man junk. Standards are for setting for garden competitions where if one enters, one knows how the judging is done. I personally don't like super neat gardens or those that are full of annuals and lots of colour that I consider to be garish, but that doesn't mke them any less enjoyable to their owners or the efforts of the owners any the less valid than my own efforts or my own garden. The skills and knowledge involved in gardening as well as the constant "doing" are something we all share (or try to learn) and what works for one may not work for anyone else or in anyone else's location. We are all unique as are our gardens. I make use of "junk" as do most other gardeners I know. I use polystyrene greengrocer boxes from the tip for propogating plants and have found nothing better for protecting the plants in a hot climate. I have another friend who uses an old bath to hold her potting compost and she has a propogating area which I think I'd almost kill to own. I have another friend who uses a bath as a worm farm with a bucket set up under the drain hole to collect worn liquid. I'm envious of that set up too. It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't do that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't mind if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us other gardeners who like it :-)) (I added the emoticon specially even though I generally don't use them). I hope your wife is doing well and that you are managing well. I know it can't be easy for either of you - cancer in all its forms is a mongrel thing. |
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, Farm1 writes It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't do that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't mind if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us other gardeners who like it :-)) I think the main trouble comes when, as a result of the size of gardens generally in the UK, it's what you see from your windows! A neat and tidy gardener would probably despair if he overlooked a scruffy gnome-filled patch with weeds and "wildlife" encouraged planting, uncared for shrubs and the odd pile of tyres and freezers. However the same would be true in the reverse. I don't think people mind what anyone else likes in a garden maybe it's just living with it if you overlook a different gardening viewpoint:) I love the thatched cottage and pretty houses of some areas of the country and wouldn't mind living opposite them but would be frightened to death of actually owning and upkeeping them! Same goes for the Christmas garden/house decorations that are now becoming common. A friend lives opposite a truly car-stopping set of Xmas decorated houses. As she said, "it's okay if you live in it a d you can't see it but it's another matter to try and sleep with the migraine inducing flashes of a 7 foot father Christmas climbing up the front wall of the house opposite" Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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On 7/2/07 11:32, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote: snip I love the thatched cottage and pretty houses of some areas of the country and wouldn't mind living opposite them but would be frightened to death of actually owning and upkeeping them! I'm sure you're right. When I was house hunting round here, I was very taken with a pretty thatched house which, for other reasons, turned out to be not the right thing. But at the time a friend with some experience said to me "live opposite one, not in one"! snip -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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Hi 'Farm 1', Thanks for posting back. I admit it - we do actually have some junk here! This morning I have been shifting some builders' rubble 'out of sight'... I haven't got rid of it because it will 'come in handy at some stage' for a greenhouse base or whatever. The more I try to keep on top of the garden, the harder it seems - except for the veg. patch that is! I have been so busy with that over recent years that I haven't had chance to put in a great deal in the way of flower beds - certainly not annuals. We don't like garish flowers either... ( I really hate petunias - but don't tell anyone). I really do hope you manage to enjoy your gardens with all the work it must entail, and that it is not becoming too much of a struggle. Naturally I send all our best wishes. Again I will look on the bright side and say that those of us with gardens must be the fortunate ones. One fails to imagine being under the circumstances we face - and being unable to 'escape' on a regular basis, for some well needed fresh air. Take care, Keith "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message Perhaps you just need to look at some things in a different way? For example, having had cancer treatment last year, my veg garden got right on top of me. I had a huge pile of weeds that needed to be got rid of, but then I realised that if I could grow spuds under straw, I could grow spuds under weeds. I now have a thriving extra patch of spuds under weeds (in addition to the spuds under straw). By doing this I'm effectively turning the weeds into compost by sheet mulching. It works and works well, but then I have a big garden and another garden on another farm and I have to do things that work within the time constraints. Live is too short for me to run anal gardens. Hi Farm 1, By concidence I have an extremely good idea about how cancer can disrupt things. My wife, who I look after, and who lives at home, has needed 24 hour care through a brain tumour that took a hold many years ago. Needless to say my gardening time is somewhat limited. The consultant told me back in 1988 that she might be fortunate and have around another ten years to live. We too therefore have been aware of how short life is... for a very long time. Anyway, I'm sorry if you took offence at my post. (re, your comment about 'anal gardens'). The purpose of my comment 'Have fun whatever' followed by the wink smiley was to indicate that that my message was not intended to cause offence - merely to start a lighthearted and topical thread. Hi Keith I didn't take offence at your post at all in any way, shape or form. If I ever do take offence, I go direct for the jugular and there will be no doubt that I am in attack mode (I am an Australian after all and our national reputation is certainly not one of being subtle in any way). I have a BIG garden (in fact 2 gardens - the one here is big and another on another farm which is only about a quarter of an acre, but I know that is considered big by comparison to many UK gardens). I am the sole gardener and as an woman in later middle age who has 2 bouts of differing primary cancers, I don't have the time or the physical strength to be as fussy as I could be. Not that I'd want to either. I think that gardens are so diverse that it's just about impossilbe to really talk about any garden as satisfying or meeting any sort of "standard" and that includes what is one man junk. Standards are for setting for garden competitions where if one enters, one knows how the judging is done. I personally don't like super neat gardens or those that are full of annuals and lots of colour that I consider to be garish, but that doesn't mke them any less enjoyable to their owners or the efforts of the owners any the less valid than my own efforts or my own garden. The skills and knowledge involved in gardening as well as the constant "doing" are something we all share (or try to learn) and what works for one may not work for anyone else or in anyone else's location. We are all unique as are our gardens. I make use of "junk" as do most other gardeners I know. I use polystyrene greengrocer boxes from the tip for propogating plants and have found nothing better for protecting the plants in a hot climate. I have another friend who uses an old bath to hold her potting compost and she has a propogating area which I think I'd almost kill to own. I have another friend who uses a bath as a worm farm with a bucket set up under the drain hole to collect worn liquid. I'm envious of that set up too. It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't do that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't mind if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us other gardeners who like it :-)) (I added the emoticon specially even though I generally don't use them). I hope your wife is doing well and that you are managing well. I know it can't be easy for either of you - cancer in all its forms is a mongrel thing. |
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(Dorset)" wrote: snip We don't like garish flowers either... ( I really hate petunias - but don't tell anyone). I'm not mad about those but try the trailing one called 'Lime'. It's gorgeous! snip And all hopes and prayers for all of you battling illness. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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Farm1 writes It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't do that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't mind if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us other gardeners who like it :-)) I think the main trouble comes when, as a result of the size of gardens generally in the UK, it's what you see from your windows! A neat and tidy gardener would probably despair if he overlooked a scruffy gnome-filled patch with weeds and "wildlife" encouraged planting, uncared for shrubs and the odd pile of tyres and freezers. However the same would be true in the reverse. I don't think people mind what anyone else likes in a garden maybe it's just living with it if you overlook a different gardening viewpoint:) I love the thatched cottage and pretty houses of some areas of the country and wouldn't mind living opposite them but would be frightened to death of actually owning and upkeeping them! Same goes for the Christmas garden/house decorations that are now becoming common. A friend lives opposite a truly car-stopping set of Xmas decorated houses. As she said, "it's okay if you live in it a d you can't see it but it's another matter to try and sleep with the migraine inducing flashes of a 7 foot father Christmas climbing up the front wall of the house opposite" Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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Farm1 writes It's horses for courses. What works for me and turns me on won't do that for another gardener. If you don't like junk, then I don't mind if you don't see the value of junk then it's just more junk for us other gardeners who like it :-)) I think the main trouble comes when, as a result of the size of gardens generally in the UK, it's what you see from your windows! A neat and tidy gardener would probably despair if he overlooked a scruffy gnome-filled patch with weeds and "wildlife" encouraged planting, uncared for shrubs and the odd pile of tyres and freezers. However the same would be true in the reverse. I don't think people mind what anyone else likes in a garden maybe it's just living with it if you overlook a different gardening viewpoint:) I love the thatched cottage and pretty houses of some areas of the country and wouldn't mind living opposite them but would be frightened to death of actually owning and upkeeping them! Same goes for the Christmas garden/house decorations that are now becoming common. A friend lives opposite a truly car-stopping set of Xmas decorated houses. As she said, "it's okay if you live in it a d you can't see it but it's another matter to try and sleep with the migraine inducing flashes of a 7 foot father Christmas climbing up the front wall of the house opposite" I don't disagree with anything you've written but I think that what you've described is a much larger issue than just gardens preferences or junk in gardens. It really covers the whole issue of how increasingly our more crowded surroundings or information overload or just general sociatal intrusiveness or whatever can impact on our well being overall. By that I mean that it also applies equally to what I see on the TV these days. I can barely stand to watch our PM without wanting to throw my very large and heavy gardening boots at his lying head. And as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-)) |
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Hi 'Farm 1', Thanks for posting back. I admit it - we do actually have some junk here! LOL. I'm sure each and every one of us does! I sometimes wonder if it's only when someone else points out that's it "junk" and we have to justify it's existence that we really look at it with fresh eyes and then heave it or store it. I know that I constantly have to tell Himself (who is a neatnick) why I have a particular item of junk. (Mind you, he is also very quick to use "my" junk if he needs it for some particular thing round the farm and doesn't see the irony in having had a fight with me about me trying to keep it for my reserved use for one of "my" projects) This morning I have been shifting some builders' rubble 'out of sight'... I haven't got rid of it because it will 'come in handy at some stage' for a greenhouse base or whatever. A man after my own heart! I pick up all real old fashioned solid bricks I see when I go to the tip as I know how useful they are for garden edges or paths or whatever. I've probably managed to pick up about a pallet load over the years and that has saved me about $800 which is the cost to have a pallet of new ones "sold core" delivered here. Our tip is rather an unusual one as tip scavenging isn't "allowed", but the locals all put in "orders" with the tip attendant to look out for particular items which he'll save and put off to one side and he just turns a blind eye turned when locals are scavenging. I've even managed to find a wonderful antique arm chair there which looks superb now it's been reupholstered and had it's lags repolished. The more I try to keep on top of the garden, the harder it seems - except for the veg. patch that is! I have been so busy with that over recent years that I haven't had chance to put in a great deal in the way of flower beds - certainly not annuals. We don't like garish flowers either... ( I really hate petunias - but don't tell anyone). Your secret is safe with me. I share a similar aversion. There was a fashion here a few years ago for striped ones and they were particularly revolting - chocolate brown ones with a cream stripe and purple ones with a yellow stripe!!!!!! When I saw them in the nursery in their punnets, I thought that no-one would possibly buy such filthy things but then I noticed that they had started to appear in the gardens of the village :-)) You can imagine my reaction. Our big garden here is lots of trees, shrubs, roses and bigger clumping things like Irises, Day lillies. Sedums, euphorbias etc whihc of course only have a limited flowing season. My husband often says that he wants "colour" to which I reply with some degree of waspishness that green IS a colour. I really do hope you manage to enjoy your gardens with all the work it must entail, and that it is not becoming too much of a struggle. Luckily for me, the cancers I've had are such that I have just been knocked for six whilst undergoing treatment or recovering from surgery. And I've learned to be smarter rather than relying on strength as I used to do. I bought a cheap tipping trolley that I could roll rocks onto and then lever bakwards so I could work on redesigning some of my bigger beds where the idiot garden "designer" who originally "did" this garden had put in huge rocks sticking up into the air like dragon's teeth.. It was a wise buy to compensate for lack of strenth and lets me do what I wnat to do with limited need to call on Himself. Naturally I send all our best wishes. As do I to you and your wife. Again I will look on the bright side and say that those of us with gardens must be the fortunate ones. Yep. The glass is half full, not half empty. One fails to imagine being under the circumstances we face - and being unable to 'escape' on a regular basis, for some well needed fresh air. I guess that perhaps we share a common thing in that for both of us, our gardens provide solace and a place in which to regather ourselves in order to keep on going out there and doing what we have to do. But I think most gardenersshare that. Take care, And you too. Fran (aka Farm1) |
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"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message Farm1 writes as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-)) It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be! That makes him a better actor than Reagan ;-) Keith |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
"Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message Farm1 writes as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-)) It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be! Yes it is said by some but I've noticed that it's always said by someone who has an agenda to run. And often by Americans who are no doubt highly embarrassed by the appallling reputation he's giving himself and his country on a world wide basis. That makes him a better actor than Reagan ;-) Even a canary would be a better actor that Ronny was ;-)) |
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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message ... "Farm1" please@askifyouwannaknow wrote in message ... "Janet Tweedy" wrote in message Farm1 writes as for watching George Bush! That's more like wanting to heave the whole TV out the window. To think that this moron is the head of the most powerful nation on earth! What were they thinking (or not) to elect this moron a second time round! See: the general frustration it causes me is even coming through in a gardening ng :-)) It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be! The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron! Alan |
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"Alan Holmes" wrote It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be! The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron! Alan They will soon be able to choose between a woman or a black candidate :~)) Jenny |
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"JennyC" wrote in message
... "Alan Holmes" wrote It is said that Bush isn't the moron he appears to be! The few americans I have spoken to are convinced he is a moron! Alan They will soon be able to choose between a woman or a black candidate :~)) Jenny Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for Great Britain? :-( She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-( Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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"'Mike'" wrote Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for Great Britain? :-( She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-( Mike Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the unions in their place. The Economist had a special about Britain recently - 2nd highest GDP in Europe - low unemployment - amazing !! jenny |
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"JennyC" wrote in message
... "'Mike'" wrote Can any woman do any worse for any country that what Thatcher did for Great Britain? :-( She did what Hitler tried to do, bring the country to its knees. :-( Mike Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the unions in their place. And in doing so wrecked British Industry. That was good was it? The Economist had a special about Britain recently - 2nd highest GDP in Europe - low unemployment - amazing !! I like the word "recently" that you put in there :-)) 20 years to recover? That's good is it? and who pays for it now? Us the tax payer. Do you like paying all these high taxes? Petrol? Air Travel? Pay by the mile on top of your car tax, petrol tax, MOT tax, PAYE tax before you even get your money? I am taxed on my pensions because I have so many, I 'saved for my future' and get taxed on it, I get taxed on my investments. All good? Mike -- .................................................. ......... Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rnshipmates.co.uk www.nsrafa.com |
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JennyC wrote:
Much as I disliked her as a person, she did a GREAT job of getting the unions in their place. As the Unions were representing the average working man, what you really mean is "she did a great job of getting the working man in his place" She killed the steel industry, the mining industry, the ship building industry, in fact, the entire manufacturing industry. Her policies cost millions of jobs, billions of pounds and thousands of lives. She took the wealth of a nation in the form of the nationalised industries and sold them off to her cronies at discounted rates. Great job? She almost killed my country. Tom |
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