Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

Oh dear... :-(

Keith

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 10 Feb, 15:32, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
Oh dear... :-(

What?! WHAT? What happened? I didn't watch tv (I drew gunnera and
hosta leaves all evening, as one does :o)

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
...

Oh dear... :-(

Keith


you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown a
spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's done?

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her own
veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Who can blame her - for trying!

Keith



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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
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Oh dear... :-(

Keith


you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown
a spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's
done?

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
...
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her
own veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started
now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a family
and getting a business of the ground in the intervening years.....

Who can blame her - for trying!
Keith

Jenny

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"JennyC" wrote
"Keith (Dorset)" wrote
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown
her own veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly
started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a
family and getting a business of the ground in the intervening
years.....

I don't know what's the matter with all you old Moaning Minnies over
this programme. :) I love it, and look forward to it all week!

Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I'm really glad they got her to do this programme. OK, so expert
allotmenteers would like a more in depth, technical sort of programme
that caters for those already producing much of their own food on huge
plots - and I agree there's definitely an audience for something like
that and it's long overdue - but it isn't what this particular series
has presumably been designed for. I think it *will* inspire a lot of
back garden dabblers to have a go at planting things they can eat,
simply because of her infectious enthusiasm, and is also likely to
appeal to women. That could be a key element in getting households that
wouldn't otherwise ever grow so much as a lettuce to start thinking
about how and where their food is produced and to try a small plot or a
few pots themselves.

--
Sue

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 06:25, "JennyC" wrote:
Of course......., but I get the impression that she's been raising a family
and getting a business of the ground in the intervening years.....

Hot from the press .... "It's been said that her enthusiasm for plants
would make even the least green-fingered person sit up and take
notice. Mancunian (bless) Carol joined the BBC TWO Gardeners' World
presenting team in 2005 and also runs a thriving nursery and writes
regularly for the gardening press. After leaving school at 15, she had
a succession of jobs until attending Art College in 1962, from where
she graduated with a Fine Art BA. After completing a postgraduate Art
teachers' course in Brighton, Carol taught at various schools in
London before moving into the Devonshire sunshine in the late
Seventies and raising two daughters. While living in Devon, Carol
taught art at North Devon College and started propagating plants
because she couldn't afford to buy the ones she wanted for her own
garden. Friends suggested she sell the spares, so Carol opened a stall
in the local market and, eventually, people began going to her nursery
instead. Now it's a thriving business and Carol loves to hear how her
plants have done."

She wrote many books - Plant Personnalities in 2004, A Touch of Winter
Colour in 2005, The Edible Container Garden in 2006, numerous articles
in magasines, newspapers etc. and videos, one of which is the behind
the scene of Chelsea 2006 (it was great coz I was there ;o). She made
lots of Radio shows, tv shows etc. I mean, how can someone criticise
this woman? I'm baffled. Many posters here own up to never have grown
leeks ... and I can quote them ... nor do they know when to plant
seeds ... take cuttings etc. Who are you and what have you done?
Huh?!

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In message ews.net,
Sue writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.

snip
--
June Hughes

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"Sue" wrote
"JennyC" wrote
I don't know what's the matter with all you old Moaning Minnies over
this programme. :) I love it, and look forward to it all week!
snip
Sue

I seem to recall hearing that she will make another program about something
else soon....anyone remember what?
Jenny

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net, Sue
writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith











"shazzbat" wrote in message
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"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net,
Sue writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

Steve

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On Feb 10, 9:16 pm, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
As Carol has lived at the cottage for thirty years, and hasn't grown her own
veg, for twenty; one is tempted to ask why she has suddenly started now?

Where there's muck there's brass, maybe?

Who can blame her - for trying!

Keith

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"Keith (Dorset)" wrote in message
...

Oh dear... :-(

Keith

you don't like doddery old garden-grannies forever muttering Eeee loook ut
thut cucumber intit wuundefull, and though she claims never to have grown
a spud before in her life, fetching up on tv to show you and me how it's
done?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

she admits to not veg gardening for at least 20 years and she is
honest enought to admit that she took it on as she was asked to by the
programme makers I just wish she would not put all that coloured stuff
on her eyes it looks so strange with the gardening clothes

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"The Minister" wrote in message
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she admits to not veg gardening for at least 20 years and she is
honest enought to admit that she took it on as she was asked to by the
programme makers I just wish she would not put all that coloured stuff
on her eyes it looks so strange with the gardening clothes

She looks exactly like the women who used to inhabit Greenham Common Peace
camp in the 1980s.

I don't have a problem with them, her, or even how she sounds (although her
voisce does grate on my southern ears). I am just annoyed because I really
wanted to learn about growing pumpkins and squashes!

When that title came up at the start of the programme I said to myself: that
sounds interesting and different - but how on earth are they going to fill a
whole programme like this with it?

It transpired that there was virtually nothing about 'growing' in the whole
episode. Halfway through the prog. I began getting so irritated by Carol's
continued 'yummy' expressions that I almsot switched the box off. I decided
to hang on however, to see what I could learn from the rest of the
programme. All I saw was families around a bonfire.

Keith

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

Keith (Dorset) wrote:


Oh dear... :-(


You too, eh?

I found that the series was a disjointed collection of facts,
opinions, and "doesn't that taste whatever..."

I had the impression that the intention of the series was partly to
encourage one to grow some vegeables, no matter how small a plot,
trough, or pot one had.

But there was no advice on how to do it. What would be sown, and when,
in order to maximise the results from each of these: that's what I was
looking for, and it was conspicuous by it's absence. I still have
little idea as to what was grown, in turn, in the 3 x 3 plot.

As I like Carol as a counterbalance to the Dominating Don, this series
could have been used to raise her status, but it didn't.

The robin was the best bit, IMHO.

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 16:29, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
She looks exactly like the women who used to inhabit Greenham Common Peace
camp in the 1980s.

These wimmin happen to be my best friends :o)

I don't have a problem with them, her, or even how she sounds (although her
voisce does grate on my southern ears). I am just annoyed because I really
wanted to learn about growing pumpkins and squashes!

OK. What do you want to know that you don't already know Keith?
Honestly, I just don't understand!

When that title came up at the start of the programme I said to myself: that
sounds interesting and different - but how on earth are they going to fill a
whole programme like this with it?

I'm waiting for the repeat tomorrow eve, but from your post I guess it
was around halloween. Can't wait tomorrow now.

It transpired that there was virtually nothing about 'growing' in the whole
episode. Halfway through the prog. I began getting so irritated by Carol's
continued 'yummy' expressions that I almsot switched the box off. I decided
to hang on however, to see what I could learn from the rest of the
programme. All I saw was families around a bonfire.

Perhaps you've got a point - there's lots of yumyum sounds. You ought
to eat with my entire family in the summer - you'd go mad! Reminds me
when I work for the radio, I once edited all the 'yum' 'slurps' 'in
breath' 'loose denture's noises' and put them all together on one
tape, for fun. I bet the Tippett(*) duo would have loved my
'music' ;o)

(*) Now let's see how many of you knows about them ;o)

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"La Puce" wrote in message
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On 11 Feb, 16:29, "Keith \(Dorset\)"
wrote:
She looks exactly like the women who used to inhabit Greenham Common
Peace
camp in the 1980s.

These wimmin happen to be my best friends :o)



Are you off your rocker like them as well?

Mike


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Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 16:51, "'Mike'" wrote:
Are you off your rocker like them as well?

We rock alright.

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 17:08, Martin wrote:
Have you been standing too near the transmitter dishes at Menwith Hills and
Fylingdales again?

:o)) NO BUT I'D BE GRATEFUL IF SOMEONE WOULD ASK MY SON TO PUT THE
MUSIC DOWN - I MEAN I DON'T MIND SYSTEMS OF THE DOWN, BUT I'M SURE
IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO COMPLICATION ... with my hearing, eventually.
That's better.

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In message , shazzbat
writes

"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message ews.net, Sue
writes


Carol K is a brilliant gardening presenter, whether she's talking about
veg, or planting perennials for a flower garden. She never claimed to be
a beginner at growing vegetables - if people had been paying attention
they'd have seen she'd had lots of experience 'growning her own' many
years ago, but as J says, for the last two decades has concentrated on
her nursery business, shows etc.

I have seen a couple of the programmes and tend to agree with you. She
doesn't talk down to you, which means people who have very little
knowledge of gardening are more likely to listen to her.


I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

I think she has a problem with her hair that is insurmountable (I have
the same, so know what it is like:(
--
June Hughes

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message , shazzbat
writes

"June Hughes" wrote in message
...
In message
ews.net, Sue
writes
[...]
I agree also. There is a difficult area between dumbing down to the
point
where gardeners would be turning off, and "dumbing up" to the point
where
novices/first timers would be lost. As an attempt at treading the
middle
ground it's not so bad.

She might comb her hair though :-))

I think she has a problem with her hair that is insurmountable (I have
the same, so know what it is like:(

Regardless of the content, the dishevelled look is refreshing in a media
world where real women have so often been pressured to try and look like
kids.

--
Mike.



--
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Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In message .com, La
Puce writes
On 11 Feb, 17:08, Martin wrote:
Have you been standing too near the transmitter dishes at Menwith Hills and
Fylingdales again?

:o)) NO BUT I'D BE GRATEFUL IF SOMEONE WOULD ASK MY SON TO PUT THE
MUSIC DOWN - I MEAN I DON'T MIND SYSTEMS OF THE DOWN, BUT I'M SURE
IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO COMPLICATION ... with my hearing, eventually.
That's better.

You'll get used to it. Just learn to play a musical instrument and you
can drown out all sound from an amplifier!
--
June Hughes

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 17:41, Martin wrote:
On 11 Feb, 17:08, Martin wrote:
My son has ringing in his ears and wonders why.

I used to go to the Led Mill in Sheffield. A fine but loud
establishment. I met John Peel there for the first time ...

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 11 Feb, 21:48, June Hughes wrote:
You'll get used to it. Just learn to play a musical instrument and you
can drown out all sound from an amplifier!

You're psychic!! I've played piano for 35 years ... but that's not
loud enough. So I've bought an electric guitar for my son and I'm now
using it and I love it. We've got this sound card now on our hifi
system in which I can plug my guitar. Today my neighbours told me they
thought that Patti Smith was playing a concert at Trafford Park
because they heard 'I'm dancing barefoot'. I was so pleased :o))))

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very
pleasant neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic
and 'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform
and maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

On the contrary. As a viewer with a little gardening knowledge but with
lots to learn, especially as regards vegetable growing, I've found the
series entertaining, informative and it's more tha held my interest
throughout. So even if only using your terms of reference it's a success
afaic! :)

--
Sue

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In article ews.net,
Sue writes

but it isn't what this particular series
has presumably been designed for. I think it *will* inspire a lot of
back garden dabblers to have a go at planting things they can eat,
simply because of her infectious enthusiasm, and is also likely to
appeal to women.


Not if they insist on putting it on BBC2 they won't. It's just not going
to be seen by people who want to do a little light veg growing :)



--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In article , "Keith (Dorset)"
writes
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith



Is anyone else old enough to remember the great Geoffrey Smith and his
"Mr smith's vegetable garden"?
He had a very "down to your level" friendly approach but showed an
immense amount of information and technique and clearly loved all things
botanical !

--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

In article , Janet Tweedy
wrote:

In article , "Keith (Dorset)"
writes
talking point?

Yes, Carol Klein is apparently a very experienced and knowledgeable
plantswoman and grower. No doubt she and her family would be very pleasant
neighbours.

However, a good TV presenter she not - at least in this context.

A good presenter needs far more than the ability to sound enthusiastic and
'not talk down to their audience'. They need to entertain, inform and
maintain viewer interest.

In this series, she fails in every respect.

The BBC have been unsuccessful with Grow Your Own Veg because they have
attempted to appeal to too wide an audience. Of course this has, to an
extent, compromised Carol in the way she can lead the programmes. Many other
gardening presenters, I suspect, would not have taken it on.

Keith



Is anyone else old enough to remember the great Geoffrey Smith and his
"Mr smith's vegetable garden"?
He had a very "down to your level" friendly approach but showed an
immense amount of information and technique and clearly loved all things
botanical !

Not that old! You're talking early 80s. When Gardeners' World
presenters had to talk to camera for up to 15 minutes in one continuous
take.

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote ...

Oh dear... :-(

Well Keith, as someone with a little knowledge of growing one's own I find
the program rather entertaining in the almost childlike enthusiasm for the
subject, like the look on a child's face digging their first self grown spud
etc., wonderful to behold.
I also like Carol as a presenter and find her enthusiasm infectious (just
like Roy Lancaster). She does know about growing (pretty) stuff, has done it
for years, made a living out of it and built a business around it so also
has my respect.
Sounds awful but I actually didn't expect to learn much because it's on at
peak viewing time, a time when no program will be shown that might appeal to
a severely restricted audience like a serious down and in-depth gardening
program about veg growing would.
If it enthuses only one person to take up the challenge of growing their own
I say "Good on yer Carol".

And the arthritis in her hands ( did anyone else notice?) must be bloody
painful and still she smiles.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

Hi Bob,

I agree with a lot you say - and I did very much enjoy seeing the kiddies
being allowed to get their hands dirty in several episodes.

I think Carol would be a much better presenter if she didn't overdo her
enthusiam... but as she's establishing I suppose it's understandable.

Roy Lancaster, is at the very top of the tree - Carol's on her way up there.
I hope things go well for her... and that next time she gets a richer
programme.

Best wishes,

Keith


"Bob Hobden" wrote in message
...

"Keith (Dorset)" wrote ...

Oh dear... :-(

Well Keith, as someone with a little knowledge of growing one's own I find
the program rather entertaining in the almost childlike enthusiasm for the
subject, like the look on a child's face digging their first self grown
spud etc., wonderful to behold.
I also like Carol as a presenter and find her enthusiasm infectious (just
like Roy Lancaster). She does know about growing (pretty) stuff, has done
it for years, made a living out of it and built a business around it so
also has my respect.
Sounds awful but I actually didn't expect to learn much because it's on at
peak viewing time, a time when no program will be shown that might appeal
to a severely restricted audience like a serious down and in-depth
gardening program about veg growing would.
If it enthuses only one person to take up the challenge of growing their
own I say "Good on yer Carol".

And the arthritis in her hands ( did anyone else notice?) must be bloody
painful and still she smiles.

--
Regards
Bob H
17mls W. of London.UK

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

On 12 Feb, 23:36, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"Keith (Dorset)" wrote ...

Oh dear... :-(

Well Keith, as someone with a little knowledge of growing one's own I find
the program rather entertaining in the almost childlike enthusiasm for the
subject, like the look on a child's face digging their first self grown spud
etc., wonderful to behold.
I also like Carol as a presenter and find her enthusiasm infectious (just
like Roy Lancaster). She does know about growing (pretty) stuff, has done it
for years, made a living out of it and built a business around it so also
has my respect.
Sounds awful but I actually didn't expect to learn much because it's on at
peak viewing time, a time when no program will be shown that might appeal to
a severely restricted audience like a serious down and in-depth gardening
program about veg growing would.
If it enthuses only one person to take up the challenge of growing their own
I say "Good on yer Carol".

Hear hear!!

And the arthritis in her hands ( did anyone else notice?) must be bloody
painful and still she smiles.

Yes, I did the first time. It's amusing to read some comments about
her hair, clothes and enthusiam. If she didn't have messy hair, dirty
clothes and had little enthusiasm, she wouldn't be a gardener :o)

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

Bob Hobden wrote:
"Keith (Dorset)" wrote ...

Oh dear... :-(

Well Keith, as someone with a little knowledge of growing one's own I
find the program rather entertaining in the almost childlike
enthusiasm for the subject, like the look on a child's face digging
their first self grown spud etc., wonderful to behold.
I also like Carol as a presenter and find her enthusiasm infectious
(just like Roy Lancaster). She does know about growing (pretty)
stuff, has done it for years, made a living out of it and built a
business around it so also has my respect.
Sounds awful but I actually didn't expect to learn much because it's
on at peak viewing time, a time when no program will be shown that
might appeal to a severely restricted audience like a serious down
and in-depth gardening program about veg growing would.

I enjoyed it. I was also thrilled to see that there was a bit about
growing in 3sqm, because my veg patch consists of three 3x1m beds. I
could have done with more but that's what my books are for.

Grow Your Own Veg - yesterday
 

Martin wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:23:12 -0000, "Amethyst Deceiver"
wrote:

I enjoyed it. I was also thrilled to see that there was a bit about
growing in 3sqm, because my veg patch consists of three 3x1m beds. I
could have done with more but that's what my books are for.


It is 9 square metres. 3x3m

See, I knew that. Honest. I just forgot.