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Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible
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On 26/4/07 20:46, in article ,
"Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Wheat, barley, grape vines, figs, pomegranates (don't fruit here) olives, apples, bay, lemons, various herbs......... -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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In message , Baldoni
writes Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? If you google for "plants of the bible" you'll find several lists; you then have to decide which are reliable, as they don't agree on the identification of all of the plants. Then go to PlantFinder (http://www.rhs.org.uk/rhsplantfinder/plantfinder.asp) and see what you can find. Not all plants mentioned in the Bible are hardy in the UK, but some are. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:46:55 +0100, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? olives? -- Burning bushes (you will need some diesel or paraffin). Des Martin |
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On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote:
Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? |
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On 26/4/07 23:37, in article
, " wrote: On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? I don't think so but a wade through this will tell you! http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/month00.htm -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon http://www.discoverdartmoor.co.uk/ (remove weeds from address) |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 wrote:
Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? No. Not in the Bible anyway. David -- David Rance http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk Fido Address: 2:252/110 writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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The Ark of the Covenant was made of the delightfully named shittim wood, which apparently is some type of acacia, but not one that is hardy in Britain. But perhaps you could instead plant hyssop, as in "purge me with hyssop and I shall be clean", one might say it could do the same job. The Vine of Sodom is another one you'll have to pass on, but apparently its fruit taste terrible so you aren't missing anything. Frankincense and myrrh aren't hardy either. As someone else says, mistranslations and inconsistent translations abound. For example the RV in Psalm 29 has cedar, but the NIV has terebinth - you'll only be able to grow the former. |
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On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? -- Kay |
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Martin wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:46:55 +0100, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? olives? As long as you don't overwater them :-) (sorry Anyroadup, couldn't resist it) Tom |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:33:39 +0100, K wrote:
" writes On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Apollo made the tree sacred to him. So whether laurels or daphnes are wrongly named, I'll leave you to decide...... -- Chris E-mail: christopher[dot]hogg[at]virgin[dot]net |
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In message , Chris Hogg
writes On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:33:39 +0100, K wrote: " writes On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Apollo made the tree sacred to him. So whether laurels or daphnes are wrongly named, I'll leave you to decide...... To muddy the waters, the spurge laurel is a Daphne (never mind that the other plants called laurel are a heterogenous lot). -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Des Higgins" wrote in message ... "Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:46:55 +0100, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? olives? -- Burning bushes (you will need some diesel or paraffin). Unless it's a creosote bush. Steve |
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"Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:33:39 +0100, K wrote: " writes On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Don't you hate it when that sort of thing happens when you're out on the pull? Steve |
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"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Des Higgins" wrote in message ... "Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:46:55 +0100, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? olives? Rose of Sharron. Its a member of the hebe family. I have one at home - quite common I think. -- |
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In message , bluebell
writes "shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Des Higgins" wrote in message ... "Martin" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:46:55 +0100, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? olives? Rose of Sharron. Its a member of the hebe family. I have one at home - quite common I think. -- In Britain Rose of Sharon normally refers to Hypericum calycinum, which is far removed from the Hebe family (Scrophulariaceae, or Veronicaceae/Plantaginaceae in the newer classifications). In America it is Hibiscus syriacus. I'm told that in Australia the name can be applied to Hibiscus mutabilis (better known as Confederate Rose). What plant is the Biblical Rose of Sharon is uncertain; WikiPedia suggests a Crocus, or Tulipa montana, or Tulipa agenensis, or Lilium candidum. Christian Answers suggests Cistus (rock-rose), and Old Dominion University has Gladiolus italicus or Gladiolus atroviolaceus. Sharon United Methodist Church suggests Ornithogalum umbellatum in addition to Hypericum calycium and Hibiscus syriacus. AllWords.com (an online dictionary) suggests a type of Narcissus. Which do you have? -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On Apr 27, 8:42 am, David Rance
wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? No. Not in the Bible anyway. David Well David, I'm not in the Bible, but I'm a Saint, I even have a day named after me. Judith |
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On Apr 27, 9:33 am, K wrote:
" writesOn Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? -- Kay I don't know but on the French Meteo each evening, we have this stick thin insect of a woman, about my age, wearing tight short skirts with slits up the sides, she drives me crazy, I miss the weather as I am muttering about her prancing all over the screen, and then at the end she says today is Saint Daphen's day and bon soiree. They do this every single night, so they must have 365 saints, it's a bit like their cheese, one for every day. |
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On Apr 27, 6:36 pm, Chris Hogg wrote:
A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Apollo made the tree sacred to him. So whether laurels or daphnes are wrongly named, I'll leave you to decide...... I don't remember her and I did classics!!!!! Aah bless, what a lovely story. |
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On Apr 27, 8:20 pm, "shazzbat"
wrote: "Chris Hogg" wrote in message ... On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:33:39 +0100, K wrote: " writes On Apr 26, 8:46 pm, "Baldoni" wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Don't you hate it when that sort of thing happens when you're out on the pull? Steve- Hide quoted text - tee hee hee!!! |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 wrote:
Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? Greek mythology, wasn't she? -- Kay I don't know but on the French Meteo each evening, we have this stick thin insect of a woman, about my age, wearing tight short skirts with slits up the sides, she drives me crazy, I miss the weather as I am muttering about her prancing all over the screen, and then at the end she says today is Saint Daphen's day and bon soiree. They do this every single night, so they must have 365 saints, it's a bit like their cheese, one for every day. They do. Have you never seen the Almanach du facteur which lists a saint for every day that is not a feast day. And from year to year there are slight changes. I do well out of that because my French saint's day is the 29th December and my English one is the 1st March. David -- David Rance http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk Fido Address: 2:252/110 writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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Baldoni wrote:
Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? "Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean." Peter |
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On Apr 27, 8:42 am, David Rance wrote: On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 wrote: Does anyone know of any plants, shrubs etc. that are mentioned in the bible or the gospel that are available in the UK for purchase ? Was Daphne a Saint? No. Not in the Bible anyway. David Well David, I'm not in the Bible, but I'm a Saint, I even have a day named after me. Your namesake is in the Bible, though - "The Old Testament story of the widow Judith - the siren who lured her people's deadly enemy, Holofernes, to his death, beheading him in his own bed to save Jerusalem - is an enduring cultural myth in Western society." -- Kay |
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On 27/4/07 21:13, in article
, " wrote: On Apr 27, 6:36 pm, Chris Hogg wrote: A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Apollo made the tree sacred to him. So whether laurels or daphnes are wrongly named, I'll leave you to decide...... I don't remember her and I did classics!!!!! Aah bless, what a lovely story. Aren't Daphneas some kind of fly or water nymph? ;-) Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts. Join uk.rec.gardening instead. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts. (remove weeds from address) |
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In message , Sacha
writes On 27/4/07 21:13, in article .com, " wrote: On Apr 27, 6:36 pm, Chris Hogg wrote: A nymph, chaste and beautiful, daughter of the river Peneius and Ladon, a river god. Apollo tried to seduce her, but was rejected. He then became more forceful, and she fled, but he caught her and she cried out to Gaea for help. The earth opened beneath her and she was swallowed up, and a laurel tree sprang up at the spot. Apollo made the tree sacred to him. So whether laurels or daphnes are wrongly named, I'll leave you to decide...... I don't remember her and I did classics!!!!! Aah bless, what a lovely story. Aren't Daphneas some kind of fly or water nymph? ;-) Daphnia - a type of freshwater crustacean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphnia Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts. Join uk.rec.gardening instead. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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On 28/4/07 00:03, in article , "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: In message , Sacha writes snip Aren't Daphneas some kind of fly or water nymph? ;-) Daphnia - a type of freshwater crustacean. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daphnia Thanks, Stewart. I knew it rang a bell. Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts. Join uk.rec.gardening instead. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon Garden Banter does not have permission to use my posts. (remove weeds from address) |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , bluebell writes Which do you have? Does it matter what I have? The OP asked if there were any plants which available in Britain which are Biblical. I have something called a Rose of Sharron. Rose of Sharron is Bibliucal. At the end of the dy it gave you an oportunity to show how much you know ( or stupid paedia - you know it can be wrong dont you? Its hardly Britannica. But then even the last RHS guide is wrong too apparently). How confusing it all is if you want to be literal. I also have all of the other plants you mention in your list. But I didnt plant my garden , its been done over generations by old fashioned country people who probably couldnt tell what they were beyopnd common names either. OK , so you are a great expert and I just have a Rose of Sharron and obviously may not even know what species or family group it belongs to. It remains a fact I have one and I can grow plants , regardless of whether my knowldege is correct. Thats all you have proved - and that modern gardeners are nasty aggressive folk. There are ways of saying things - and then there is your way, which is so common these days. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"bluebell" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , bluebell writes Which do you have? Does it matter what I have? The OP asked if there were any plants which available in Britain which are Biblical. I have something called a Rose of Sharron. Rose of Sharron is Bibliucal. I also have a several forms of it " The Rose of Sharon". One grows upright and another is prostrate. One has a large flower and the other a small flower in clusters . It grwos like a weed in my garden. I am always pulling it out - and its subject to some form of rust ( of course that gives you another opportunity to tell me the differences between rusts, moulds and insect infestations. It doesnt matter. At the end of the day, its a plant and it has a name. Thats all I need to know. |
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Which do you have? Does it matter what I have? The OP asked if there were any plants which available in Britain which are Biblical. I have something called a Rose of Sharron. Rose of Sharron is Bibliucal. But not perhaps the same plant which is called Rose of Sharon in the Bible? That was one of the points of Stewart's posting. It remains a fact I have one and I can grow plants , regardless of whether my knowldege is correct. It helps if knowledge is correct if it's being shared with other people. I have never come across Rose of Sharon being used for a hebe, and the most common use of Rose of Sharon is for Hypericum, which is certainly not in the hebe family. If the OP buys a hebe in the belief that he is buying the biblical Rose of Sharon, he's not getting what he wanted. It would be great if you could share some of your knowledge of growing plants with us. And, if you post advice outside your area of expertise, and someone else has better knowledge than you and posts a correction, then accept it gracefully as a learning experience. I've had a good many 'learning experiences' on this group! Thats all you have proved - and that modern gardeners are nasty aggressive folk. There are ways of saying things - and then there is your way, which is so common these days. And there is your response, to Stewart's perfectly polite post showing that some of your information was totally incorrect. It would seem you too aspire to be a modern gardener. -- Kay |
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"K" wrote in message ... bluebell writes Which do you have? Does it matter what I have? The OP asked if there were any plants which available in Britain which are Biblical. I have something called a Rose of Sharron. Rose of Sharron is Bibliucal. But not perhaps the same plant which is called Rose of Sharon in the Bible? That was one of the points of Stewart's posting. I am an expert on the Bible as it happens. . You will have to go a long way to establish what on earth any plant in the Bible would be in modern parlance. They were not botanically trained. For them, any plant they called the Rose of Sharon would be the the Rose of Sharon. So Biblically I am correct. But thats another issue. No one will ever really know what plant was the Rose of Sharon. The best you can do is find a plant that has than name now - which is precisely what I suggested. It remains a fact I have one and I can grow plants , regardless of whether my knowldege is correct. It helps if knowledge is correct if it's being shared with other people. I have never come across Rose of Sharon being used for a hebe, and the most common use of Rose of Sharon is for Hypericum, which is certainly not in the hebe family. If the OP buys a hebe in the belief that he is buying the biblical Rose of Sharon, he's not getting what he wanted. I would suggest that anyone buying any plant would be best advised just to look at the label if they want the name of it. Its usually there id they are buying new plants. Having said that the experts in nurseries cannot be trusted. I have purchanced a " dafne" which turned out to be a willow. It was winter and it was not in leaf so I couldnt tell. I have had several other " surprise purchaces. But they are all plants. They can all be beautiful. You dont need their names for that. Thats my point. And there is your response, to Stewart's perfectly polite post showing that some of your information was totally incorrect. It would seem you too aspire to be a modern gardener. On that we would have to differ. I thought he was rude. There are ways of saying things and ways things have been said. Had he started off by simply saying, " Are you sure you have that right, I think...." ( which is actually very Biblical in terms of approach) and then gave his lengthy exposition of knowledge. Real politeness costs nothing. But his way was the modern aggressive version. I am getting tired of modern agression. Maybe thats why I spend my time on my smallholding/ garden? By the way, I also have qualifications ( like a degree) in botany and in horticulture to level 4. I made a mistake on that plant. Its easy to do. I am human. Its not one I deal with every day as I tend to grow peonies , roses, various species of bluebell , lots of herbs and a lot of medicinal plants of various kinds. As for the rest. I ventured here once. I will not be doing so again. I was hurt by the way he said what he said. I am hurt by your condoning that approach. I dont need that. Once bitten as they say. |
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"bluebell" wrote in message ... "K" wrote in message ... bluebell writes Sorry about the typos. Have no time. |
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In message , bluebell
writes Had he started off by simply saying, " Are you sure you have that right, I think...." ( which is actually very Biblical in terms of approach) and then gave his lengthy exposition of knowledge. Real politeness costs nothing. But I carefully avoided saying that you were wrong ... But his way was the modern aggressive version. I am getting tired of modern agression. Maybe thats why I spend my time on my smallholding/ garden? .... which would seem to make what I wrote less "aggressive" than your proposed alternative. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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As for the rest. I ventured here once. I will not be doing so again. I was hurt by the way he said what he said. I am hurt by your condoning that approach. I dont need that. Once bitten as they say. I was upset by your aggressive defence to one of our most knowledgeable and least confrontational posters. We all of us make mistakes - I've posted complete rubbish along with the best of them. If I see someone has posted something incorrect, and someone corrects it, and they say 'Oops - got that wrong', then it doesn't shake my faith in the rest of what they post. But if someone reacts by defending themselves to the nth degree, I begin to wonder how much of the rest of what they post is unreliable. -- Kay |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 bluebell wrote:
I am an expert on the Bible as it happens. I wouldn't call myself an expert on the Bible - but who is? However I do have quite a detailed knowledge of its teachings. And there is your response, to Stewart's perfectly polite post showing that some of your information was totally incorrect. It would seem you too aspire to be a modern gardener. On that we would have to differ. I thought he was rude. There are ways of saying things and ways things have been said. I saw nothing wrong with it. Aren't you feeling just a bit touchy? Had he started off by simply saying, " Are you sure you have that right, I think...." ( which is actually very Biblical in terms of approach) Is it? Can you give me an example? Do you really think that Saul of Tarsus would have approached people that way? He wasn't noted for diplomacy. And, to be honest, neither was Jesus. He was quite capable of cutting people down to size with his comments. "Generation of vipers" comes to mind, and even "Get behind me, Satan," addressed to one of his closest followers. When Jesus said that he had to go to Jerusalem to be executed and Peter argued with him, Jesus didn't say, "Are you sure you have that right, Peter?" David -- David Rance http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk Fido Address: 2:252/110 writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 bluebell wrote:
I have something called a Rose of Sharron. Rose of Sharron is Bibliucal. But not perhaps the same plant which is called Rose of Sharon in the Bible? That was one of the points of Stewart's posting. I am an expert on the Bible as it happens. . You will have to go a long way to establish what on earth any plant in the Bible would be in modern parlance. They were not botanically trained. For them, any plant they called the Rose of Sharon would be the the Rose of Sharon. So Biblically I am correct. But thats another issue. No one will ever really know what plant was the Rose of Sharon. Quite right. There is only one reference to the Rose of Sharon in the Bible. Song of Solomon, chapter 2, verse 1. "I am the rose of Sharon, and the lily of the valleys." Absolutely no clue there as to what the "Rose of Sharon" and the "Lily of the Valley" were. Indeed, it wasn't describing plants but the interpretation put on it by scholars is that they are descriptions of Christ. The connection with plants came much more recently when gardeners wanted to give a Biblical reference to a plant that they had. So, there is no such thing as the Rose of Sharon as a plant in the Bible! David -- David Rance http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk Fido Address: 2:252/110 writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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"David Rance" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 bluebell wrote: Had he started off by simply saying, " Are you sure you have that right, I think...." ( which is actually very Biblical in terms of approach) Is it? Can you give me an example? Jesus ( if you read and translate to the aramic rather than thinking you know whats what from the Anglasied versions of the Bible), often used the term "Son of man" which in fact in aramaic , although its been translated into Greek as "Hou houis to anthrapou" which is a term totally unfamiliar in NT greek and so is probably a phrase from aramaic where it has common usage. Aramaic was Jesus' language for every day use. He would preach in it in first century Palastine as it was the common language of his region. In his native language is " Bar nasha" ( transliterated because I dont have a hebrew / aramic keyboard or a Greek one) was very often used by Jesus to make a suggestion of his own when in a discussion. The term bar nasha does not actualy mean " Son of man" it means " I think " " this one thinks" in the normal parlance of the language , and in aramic culture of the time it was a very polite way of doing it. It was a phrase designed not to give offense. I am not touchy. When someone ends their grand tirade with " which one do you have?" It ceases to be polite. |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 bluebell wrote:
Had he started off by simply saying, " Are you sure you have that right, I think...." ( which is actually very Biblical in terms of approach) Is it? Can you give me an example? Jesus ( if you read and translate to the aramic rather than thinking you know whats what from the Anglasied versions of the Bible), often used the term "Son of man" which in fact in aramaic , although its been translated into Greek as "Hou houis to anthrapou" which is a term totally unfamiliar in NT greek and so is probably a phrase from aramaic where it has common usage. Aramaic was Jesus' language for every day use. He would preach in it in first century Palastine as it was the common language of his region. In his native language is " Bar nasha" ( transliterated because I dont have a hebrew / aramic keyboard or a Greek one) was very often used by Jesus to make a suggestion of his own when in a discussion. The term bar nasha does not actualy mean " Son of man" it means " I think " " this one thinks" in the normal parlance of the language , Well, I have never heard that interpretation before! It is certainly not mainstream theology. Aramaic is only a dialect of Hebrew, not a separate language. "Bar" means "son of" in both Hebrew and Aramaic. What branch of Christianity teaches you your interpretation? David -- David Rance http://www.mesnil.demon.co.uk Fido Address: 2:252/110 writing from Caversham, Reading, UK |
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In article , David Rance writes: | | Well, I have never heard that interpretation before! It is certainly not | mainstream theology. Aramaic is only a dialect of Hebrew, not a separate | language. "Bar" means "son of" in both Hebrew and Aramaic. What branch | of Christianity teaches you your interpretation? Well, I have never heard THAT before! All of the references I have seen give New Testament Aramaic and Old Testament Hebrew the sort of relationship that modern German and Old Norse have. I.e. a sort of avuncular relationship, not even a direct one - let alone calling Aramaic merely a dialect of Hebrew! "Son"/"sohn" means "son" in both German and Old Norse. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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bluebell writes
I am not touchy. When someone ends their grand tirade with " which one do you have?" It ceases to be polite. I think that statement has rather proved David's point! -- Kay |
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