On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:14:38 +0100,The sock puppet calling itself
"Fact Finder" is actually Malcolm Ogilvie
and he wrote:



SOCK PUPPET ALERT. Friends in high places confirm "Fact Finder" is
actually

indaal.demon.co.uk (83.105.66.64)
Malcolm Ogilvie
Glencairn,
Bruichladdich,
Isle of Islay,
PA49 7UN

Posting out of a free server in Italy www.aioe.org set up to provide
access to those who are censored from usenet. Ogilvie using it to
troll will only result in the service being withdrawn, and everyone
suffers.



In a word, yes.
Who are they then Angus?

The fakes who kill wildlife



Numbers Of Woodland Birds On The Decline
Wednesday, 13th June 2007, 01:12

http://tinyurl.com/3c85qs

Some of Britain's best loved woodland birds are declining at an
alarming rate, ornithologists have warned.

Long haul migrant species in particular - such as the Spotted
Flycatcher, the Willow Warbler and the Tree Pipit - are disappearing
from the dappled glades and airy canopies that cover the country.

Due to the policies of the CON-servation hooligans who treat woodlands
as theme parks


Compute this Angus..though I know the height of your "academic" achievements
was
only
an O grade in arithmetic ...or was it maths :-))

Where did I say that?

Well, you keep banging on about it and seem to be proud of it.


I think you've got it wrong.

Where have I banged on about it?

If you can't remember, go look it up as you're so quick tto say to others.


I can remember perfectly.

I think you've got it wrong.

I don't think so.
Seems you don't actually know what O grade you have
Seems you have been lying about your O grade arithmetic for years - see below -
though I see you finally admit it four years later when you state:

quote

"It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic again please
correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O Grade in arithmetic:-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:13:12 GMT
References:
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
Subject: Conservation clones!
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snip

An "O" grade in maths. Was that clever of me?

From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 14 Jul 2002 17:53:02 GMT
References:
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Subject: More fake conservation!
Message-ID:

snip

If you have a PhD you took a long time to get it by my reckoning - much longer
than my O grade arithmetic :-)



From: (AMacmil304)
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Date: 03 Dec 2002 23:12:55 GMT
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But as I keep telling the others my O Grade arithmetic doesn't cover this
subject ;-)




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I got my O Grade arithmetic by hard work :-)

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I never make any claims to qualifications of any sort except to having
an "O Grade" Arithmetic of which I'm very proud.


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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:10:08 +0100, Malcolm Kane
wrote:

In message ,
writes

I have told you I have an O grade in Maths.


You have before said it was Arithmetic which was it.

(By the way the two are not the same)


I know that.

It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic
again please correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O
Grade in arithmetic:-)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------






I bet you don't have that achievement.

Well, you'd lose the bet big time :-))


Is it only an O Grade tiddly winks you have?

I didn't know there was an O Grade in the above subject. You have mentioned this
before. Is there something you're hiding from us? Maybe it's your other O
grade
and you're too embarrassed to tell us :-)


So you don't ever have that?

I thought as much.

No I don't ever (sic) have that. Thankfully I have some proper qualifications. And
yes, I do know and, even better, can remember what they actually are.






Land owned/managed/leased by the following:

wildlife trusts 800 sq. km
National Nature Reserves 2360 sq. km
Local Nature Reserves 450 sq. km
RSPB 1311.27 sq. km

TOTAL 4921.27 sq. km

UK land area 244,820 sq. km

% UK land area which is owned/managed by the above is (rounded figure)
0.020 %


What a clever "Fact Finder" :-))

Did you work this all out by yourself?

Not that clever, just simple arithmetic. Even you could possibly have done it,
if
you weren't so blinkered to facts.

But it's not facts.

What's not factual about the above data?


You're presenting it as the sum total of ground o/l/m for
"conservation". You're quite simply wrong.





Even if all the UK was woodland and all the reserves were woodland, would
you
not
agree that this is a tiny percent? A simple yes or no will suffice Angus.

No answer I see, no surprise there then.

See below. Not worth an answer.

Wriggle, wriggle.


Not at all.



And you are stating above, quite categorically, in your usual sweeping,
biased
way,
(no surprises there then), that conservation organisations alone are
responsible
for
the declines in woodland birds. Get a grip!!!

HTH

Fact Finder


The grip I have is that you have missed the majority of organisations
that claim to be conservationists.

Which ones are you referring to and how much land do they own/manage/lease?
Come on Angus, I'm sure you can manage some facts.

You're the "Fact Finder". Go find some.

You could start with the Forestry Commission.

They're not a conservation organisation and their primary role is planting
conifers,
not broadleaf woodlands.

Read their literature.

Quote from Forestry Commission:
"Our responsibilities span research, commercial timber production, sustainability
programmes and policy, as well as learning and leisure."
"The objective of the Forestry Commission GB is to take the lead, on behalf of all
three administrations, in the development and promotion of sustainable forest
management and to support its achievement nationally."

"Our Environmental Policy

We will encourage best environmental practice in everything we do: through the
development of GB and Country woodland policies and strategies; through the
management of forests in our care; through administration of grants and felling
licences to other woodland owners; through the implementation and enforcement of
forestry regulations; and through conducting research relevant to forestry.
We seek to be an exemplar of sustainability in all our work, and will identify the
environmental impacts of all our activities and prioritise action to continually
improve our environmental performance."


I don't see any mention of conservation being a primary role, and it certainly wasn't
25-30 years ago either, do you?


What proportion of the UK breeding population of Spotted Flycatchers, Wood
Warblers
and Garden Warblers for example, breed in conifer plantations?


What proportion of the above breed in fake conservationists' woodlands

Typical Angus, answer (or not answer) a question with another question - typical
behaviour when you can't give a straight response.
Wriggle, wriggle.


You seem to know so much about the subject, it shouldn't be too difficult for you
to
tell us. That is, unless you're spouting on about a subject you know little, or
more
likely nothing, about.

Fact Finder



I think you're just spouting.

I think you're just wriggling.

Fact FInder

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:01:55 +0100, Oz wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:14:38 +0100,The sock puppet calling itself
"Fact Finder" is actually Malcolm Ogilvie
and he wrote:



SOCK PUPPET ALERT. Friends in high places confirm "Fact Finder" is
actually

indaal.demon.co.uk (83.105.66.64)
Malcolm Ogilvie
Glencairn,
Bruichladdich,
Isle of Islay,
PA49 7UN

Posting out of a free server in Italy www.aioe.org set up to provide
access to those who are censored from usenet. Ogilvie using it to
troll will only result in the service being withdrawn, and everyone
suffers.


Thought the fingerprint looked familiar. He must be getting desperate
again.


In a word, yes.
Who are they then Angus?

The fakes who kill wildlife



Numbers Of Woodland Birds On The Decline
Wednesday, 13th June 2007, 01:12

http://tinyurl.com/3c85qs

Some of Britain's best loved woodland birds are declining at an
alarming rate, ornithologists have warned.

Long haul migrant species in particular - such as the Spotted
Flycatcher, the Willow Warbler and the Tree Pipit - are disappearing
from the dappled glades and airy canopies that cover the country.

Due to the policies of the CON-servation hooligans who treat woodlands
as theme parks


Compute this Angus..though I know the height of your "academic" achievements
was
only
an O grade in arithmetic ...or was it maths :-))

Where did I say that?

Well, you keep banging on about it and seem to be proud of it.


I think you've got it wrong.

Where have I banged on about it?

If you can't remember, go look it up as you're so quick tto say to others.


I can remember perfectly.

I think you've got it wrong.

I don't think so.
Seems you don't actually know what O grade you have
Seems you have been lying about your O grade arithmetic for years - see below -
though I see you finally admit it four years later when you state:

quote

"It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic again please
correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O Grade in arithmetic:-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:13:12 GMT
References:
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
Subject: Conservation clones!
Message-ID:

snip

An "O" grade in maths. Was that clever of me?

From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 14 Jul 2002 17:53:02 GMT
References:
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
Subject: More fake conservation!
Message-ID:

snip

If you have a PhD you took a long time to get it by my reckoning - much longer
than my O grade arithmetic :-)



From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 03 Dec 2002 23:12:55 GMT
References:
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Subject: Weather Control
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But as I keep telling the others my O Grade arithmetic doesn't cover this
subject ;-)




From:
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Subject: The Countryside Playground
Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:43:11 +0100
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I got my O Grade arithmetic by hard work :-)

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I never make any claims to qualifications of any sort except to having
an "O Grade" Arithmetic of which I'm very proud.


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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:10:08 +0100, Malcolm Kane
wrote:

In message ,
writes

I have told you I have an O grade in Maths.


You have before said it was Arithmetic which was it.

(By the way the two are not the same)


I know that.

It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic
again please correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O
Grade in arithmetic:-)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------






I bet you don't have that achievement.

Well, you'd lose the bet big time :-))


Is it only an O Grade tiddly winks you have?

I didn't know there was an O Grade in the above subject. You have mentioned this
before. Is there something you're hiding from us? Maybe it's your other O
grade
and you're too embarrassed to tell us :-)


So you don't ever have that?

I thought as much.

No I don't ever (sic) have that. Thankfully I have some proper qualifications. And
yes, I do know and, even better, can remember what they actually are.






Land owned/managed/leased by the following:

wildlife trusts 800 sq. km
National Nature Reserves 2360 sq. km
Local Nature Reserves 450 sq. km
RSPB 1311.27 sq. km

TOTAL 4921.27 sq. km

UK land area 244,820 sq. km

% UK land area which is owned/managed by the above is (rounded figure)
0.020 %


What a clever "Fact Finder" :-))

Did you work this all out by yourself?

Not that clever, just simple arithmetic. Even you could possibly have done it,
if
you weren't so blinkered to facts.

But it's not facts.

What's not factual about the above data?


You're presenting it as the sum total of ground o/l/m for
"conservation". You're quite simply wrong.





Even if all the UK was woodland and all the reserves were woodland, would
you
not
agree that this is a tiny percent? A simple yes or no will suffice Angus.

No answer I see, no surprise there then.

See below. Not worth an answer.

Wriggle, wriggle.


Not at all.



And you are stating above, quite categorically, in your usual sweeping,
biased
way,
(no surprises there then), that conservation organisations alone are
responsible
for
the declines in woodland birds. Get a grip!!!

HTH

Fact Finder


The grip I have is that you have missed the majority of organisations
that claim to be conservationists.

Which ones are you referring to and how much land do they own/manage/lease?
Come on Angus, I'm sure you can manage some facts.

You're the "Fact Finder". Go find some.

You could start with the Forestry Commission.

They're not a conservation organisation and their primary role is planting
conifers,
not broadleaf woodlands.

Read their literature.

Quote from Forestry Commission:
"Our responsibilities span research, commercial timber production, sustainability
programmes and policy, as well as learning and leisure."
"The objective of the Forestry Commission GB is to take the lead, on behalf of all
three administrations, in the development and promotion of sustainable forest
management and to support its achievement nationally."

"Our Environmental Policy

We will encourage best environmental practice in everything we do: through the
development of GB and Country woodland policies and strategies; through the
management of forests in our care; through administration of grants and felling
licences to other woodland owners; through the implementation and enforcement of
forestry regulations; and through conducting research relevant to forestry.
We seek to be an exemplar of sustainability in all our work, and will identify the
environmental impacts of all our activities and prioritise action to continually
improve our environmental performance."


I don't see any mention of conservation being a primary role, and it certainly wasn't
25-30 years ago either, do you?


What proportion of the UK breeding population of Spotted Flycatchers, Wood
Warblers
and Garden Warblers for example, breed in conifer plantations?


What proportion of the above breed in fake conservationists' woodlands

Typical Angus, answer (or not answer) a question with another question - typical
behaviour when you can't give a straight response.
Wriggle, wriggle.


You seem to know so much about the subject, it shouldn't be too difficult for you
to
tell us. That is, unless you're spouting on about a subject you know little, or
more
likely nothing, about.

Fact Finder



I think you're just spouting.

I think you're just wriggling.

Fact FInder

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:09:41 +0100, Lenny Lenny
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:01:55 +0100, Oz wrote:

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:14:38 +0100,The sock puppet calling itself
"Fact Finder" is actually Malcolm Ogilvie
and he wrote:



SOCK PUPPET ALERT. Friends in high places confirm "Fact Finder" is
actually

indaal.demon.co.uk (83.105.66.64)
Malcolm Ogilvie
Glencairn,
Bruichladdich,
Isle of Islay,
PA49 7UN

Posting out of a free server in Italy www.aioe.org set up to provide
access to those who are censored from usenet. Ogilvie using it to
troll will only result in the service being withdrawn, and everyone
suffers.


Thought the fingerprint looked familiar. He must be getting desperate
again.


LOL we'll have to start calling him *pants down* Ogilvie, I bet his he
leaves his zipper undone too!

In a word, yes.
Who are they then Angus?

The fakes who kill wildlife



Numbers Of Woodland Birds On The Decline
Wednesday, 13th June 2007, 01:12

http://tinyurl.com/3c85qs

Some of Britain's best loved woodland birds are declining at an
alarming rate, ornithologists have warned.

Long haul migrant species in particular - such as the Spotted
Flycatcher, the Willow Warbler and the Tree Pipit - are disappearing
from the dappled glades and airy canopies that cover the country.

Due to the policies of the CON-servation hooligans who treat woodlands
as theme parks


Compute this Angus..though I know the height of your "academic" achievements
was
only
an O grade in arithmetic ...or was it maths :-))

Where did I say that?

Well, you keep banging on about it and seem to be proud of it.


I think you've got it wrong.

Where have I banged on about it?

If you can't remember, go look it up as you're so quick tto say to others.


I can remember perfectly.

I think you've got it wrong.

I don't think so.
Seems you don't actually know what O grade you have
Seems you have been lying about your O grade arithmetic for years - see below -
though I see you finally admit it four years later when you state:

quote

"It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic again please
correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O Grade in arithmetic:-)

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 19 Jun 2001 07:13:12 GMT
References:
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
Subject: Conservation clones!
Message-ID:

snip

An "O" grade in maths. Was that clever of me?

From: (AMacmil304)
Newsgroups: uk.environment.conservation
Date: 14 Jul 2002 17:53:02 GMT
References:
Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk
Subject: More fake conservation!
Message-ID:

snip

If you have a PhD you took a long time to get it by my reckoning - much longer
than my O grade arithmetic :-)



From: (AMacmil304)
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Date: 03 Dec 2002 23:12:55 GMT
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But as I keep telling the others my O Grade arithmetic doesn't cover this
subject ;-)




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I got my O Grade arithmetic by hard work :-)

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I never make any claims to qualifications of any sort except to having
an "O Grade" Arithmetic of which I'm very proud.


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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 17:10:08 +0100, Malcolm Kane
wrote:

In message ,
writes

I have told you I have an O grade in Maths.


You have before said it was Arithmetic which was it.

(By the way the two are not the same)


I know that.

It's actually an O Grade in maths I have, so if I say it's arithmetic
again please correct me by saying I lying because I don't have an O
Grade in arithmetic:-)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------






I bet you don't have that achievement.

Well, you'd lose the bet big time :-))


Is it only an O Grade tiddly winks you have?

I didn't know there was an O Grade in the above subject. You have mentioned this
before. Is there something you're hiding from us? Maybe it's your other O
grade
and you're too embarrassed to tell us :-)


So you don't ever have that?

I thought as much.

No I don't ever (sic) have that. Thankfully I have some proper qualifications. And
yes, I do know and, even better, can remember what they actually are.






Land owned/managed/leased by the following:

wildlife trusts 800 sq. km
National Nature Reserves 2360 sq. km
Local Nature Reserves 450 sq. km
RSPB 1311.27 sq. km

TOTAL 4921.27 sq. km

UK land area 244,820 sq. km

% UK land area which is owned/managed by the above is (rounded figure)
0.020 %


What a clever "Fact Finder" :-))

Did you work this all out by yourself?

Not that clever, just simple arithmetic. Even you could possibly have done it,
if
you weren't so blinkered to facts.

But it's not facts.

What's not factual about the above data?


You're presenting it as the sum total of ground o/l/m for
"conservation". You're quite simply wrong.





Even if all the UK was woodland and all the reserves were woodland, would
you
not
agree that this is a tiny percent? A simple yes or no will suffice Angus.

No answer I see, no surprise there then.

See below. Not worth an answer.

Wriggle, wriggle.


Not at all.



And you are stating above, quite categorically, in your usual sweeping,
biased
way,
(no surprises there then), that conservation organisations alone are
responsible
for
the declines in woodland birds. Get a grip!!!

HTH

Fact Finder


The grip I have is that you have missed the majority of organisations
that claim to be conservationists.

Which ones are you referring to and how much land do they own/manage/lease?
Come on Angus, I'm sure you can manage some facts.

You're the "Fact Finder". Go find some.

You could start with the Forestry Commission.

They're not a conservation organisation and their primary role is planting
conifers,
not broadleaf woodlands.

Read their literature.

Quote from Forestry Commission:
"Our responsibilities span research, commercial timber production, sustainability
programmes and policy, as well as learning and leisure."
"The objective of the Forestry Commission GB is to take the lead, on behalf of all
three administrations, in the development and promotion of sustainable forest
management and to support its achievement nationally."

"Our Environmental Policy

We will encourage best environmental practice in everything we do: through the
development of GB and Country woodland policies and strategies; through the
management of forests in our care; through administration of grants and felling
licences to other woodland owners; through the implementation and enforcement of
forestry regulations; and through conducting research relevant to forestry.
We seek to be an exemplar of sustainability in all our work, and will identify the
environmental impacts of all our activities and prioritise action to continually
improve our environmental performance."


I don't see any mention of conservation being a primary role, and it certainly wasn't
25-30 years ago either, do you?


What proportion of the UK breeding population of Spotted Flycatchers, Wood
Warblers
and Garden Warblers for example, breed in conifer plantations?


What proportion of the above breed in fake conservationists' woodlands

Typical Angus, answer (or not answer) a question with another question - typical
behaviour when you can't give a straight response.
Wriggle, wriggle.


You seem to know so much about the subject, it shouldn't be too difficult for you
to
tell us. That is, unless you're spouting on about a subject you know little, or
more
likely nothing, about.

Fact Finder



I think you're just spouting.

I think you're just wriggling.

Fact FInder