I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked
specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially,
and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

On 19/6/07 14:04, in article
, "Jim Scott"
wrote:

I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked
specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially,
and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

This site may help:
http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalo...Coastal_5.html


--
Sacha
http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk
(remove weeds from address)

Sacha wrote in
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On 19/6/07 14:04, in article
, "Jim Scott"
wrote:

I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

This site may help:
http://www.wildflowers.co.uk/acatalo...owers_Coastal_
5.ht
ml
Thanks, but I went through Keble Martin before I posted.
As I said to Stewart, perhaps it is a geranium after all.
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked
specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially,
and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac flowers,
but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be found as an
escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me a
few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I
don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows
(including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at the
top of the column.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley
http://www.malvaceae.info/General/Malva/gallery.html
http://www.malvaceae.info/General/Lavatera/gallery.html

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
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In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac
flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be
found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me
a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I
don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows
(including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at
the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was
that after all.

BTW your links don't work
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
:

In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac
flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might be
found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took me
a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's assuming I
don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing mark of mallows
(including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is the fusion of the
filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing the style, generally
with the free portion of the filaments and the anthers clustered at
the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it was
that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow Cranesbill)
and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would have found
these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as Allenback back in
2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the cultivars and
exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium wallichianum
'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I
assumed you meant a difference other than colour.

BTW your links don't work

Sorry, typo. Should have been "Genera", not "General".
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
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In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
:

In message . de,
Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac
flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might
be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took
me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's
assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing
mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is
the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing
the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it
was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would
have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as
Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the
cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium
wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather
purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I
assumed you meant a difference other than colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my
search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an
intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave
my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning
to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens.
Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size,
plant size, location etc. --
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

"Jim Scott" wrote in message
mas.de...
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
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In message . de, Jim
Scott writes
Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote in
:

In message . de,
Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?

It's a bit on the small size, but is it a Common Mallow (Malva
sylvestris)? The native(ish) form has pale red to rose to lilac
flowers, but the Mediterranean form has magenta flowers, and might
be found as an escape.

The leaves of mallows and geraniums can look very similar; it took
me a few years to train myself to tell them apart, and that's
assuming I don't come across anything exotic. The distinguishing
mark of mallows (including hibiscuses, abutilons and the like) is
the fusion of the filaments of the stamens into a column enclosing
the style, generally with the free portion of the filaments and the
anthers clustered at the top of the column.

Possibly.
I saw a blue geranium on the banks of The Tyne today, so perhaps it
was that after all.

The wild blue-flowered species are Geranium pratense (Meadow
Cranesbill) and Geranium sylvaticum (Wood Cranesbill). But you would
have found these in Keble-Martin. (I photographed one of these as
Allenback back in 2000.) There are other blue-flowered forms among the
cultivars and exotics, such as Geranium 'Johnson's Blue', Geranium
wallichianum 'Buxton's Variety' and Geranium renardii (rather
purplish)

When you said that the flowers were not of the cranesbill type, I
assumed you meant a difference other than colour.

I did, but I cannot come up with anything else of that habit in my
search. I am still not convinced that I have spotted anything with an
intense enough blue to suggest I've found what I'm looking for. I gave
my daughter my big illustrated book of plants and people are beginning
to worry about this strange old geezer peering into their gardens.
Google has not come up with a search I can do by: colour, flower size,
plant size, location etc. --
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk
You said near the coast, most obvious blue flower there is sheep bit
scabious, but the flowers are nothing like geranium! then there are sea
asters, various campanulas, vinca minor and chicory, this year it would be
difficult to work on flowering periods as everything seems to be early.

--
Charlie, gardening in Cornwall.
http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk
Holders of National Plant Collections of Clematis viticella (cvs) and
Lapageria rosea

Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having checked
specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide initially,
and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?


Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way are
they unlike a cranesbill?

So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided
leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but
definitely not prickly or spiny?
--
Kay

K wrote in
:

Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?


Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way
are they unlike a cranesbill?

So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided
leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but
definitely not prickly or spiny?

If I knew that I wouldn't be asking ?
If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know
where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder about
this peeping tom outside their gardens.

--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

Jim Scott writes
K wrote in
:

Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?


Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way
are they unlike a cranesbill?

So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided
leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy but
definitely not prickly or spiny?

If I knew that I wouldn't be asking ?
If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know
where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder about
this peeping tom outside their gardens.

You've seen it growing wild on the coast, and you saw enough of it to
say it was not of cranesbill type. What I'm trying to get at is in what
way was it not of cranesbill type - what led you to feel that? Your
other posts suggest that you know enough of flowers for it not to be
sufficiently different to be, say, a lupin or a viper's bugloss, but
what was the difference? Too bright a blue/too pale a blue? Petals
looked too stiff? Flower too large/too small? Flowers single to a stem/
too many to a stem? Too blue for such a small plant?


--
Kay

K wrote in news:FlHLixOjAOeGFww7
@scarboro.demon.co.uk:

Jim Scott writes
K wrote in
:

Jim Scott writes
I am trying to identify a perrenial.
It has most of the characteristics of a hardy geranium, but having
checked specialist growers I do not recognise it there.
The flowers are blue/purple, the plant ~ 6" tall x ~9-12" wide
initially, and the flowers are not of the cranesbill type.
I have seen it growing wild on the coast.
Any suggestions?


Can you give us any idea of what the flowers *are* like? In what way
are they unlike a cranesbill?

So are you meaning a fairly small plant, with quite deeply divided
leaves of overall roughly circular outline, possibly gently hairy
but
definitely not prickly or spiny?

If I knew that I wouldn't be asking ?
If I saw it or a photo of it I would know, but first I need to know
where to look. The residents of this town are beginning to wonder
about
this peeping tom outside their gardens.

You've seen it growing wild on the coast, and you saw enough of it to
say it was not of cranesbill type. What I'm trying to get at is in
what
way was it not of cranesbill type - what led you to feel that? Your
other posts suggest that you know enough of flowers for it not to be
sufficiently different to be, say, a lupin or a viper's bugloss, but
what was the difference? Too bright a blue/too pale a blue? Petals
looked too stiff? Flower too large/too small? Flowers single to a
stem/
too many to a stem? Too blue for such a small plant?

None of the spikey seed heads.
--
Jim S
Tyneside UK
http://www.jimscott.co.uk

Jim Scott writes
K wrote in news:FlHLixOjAOeGFww7
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None of the spikey seed heads.

Isn't it a bit early for those if it were a Field geranium? It flowers a
bit later than either the small pink flowered ones or G phaeum.
--
Kay