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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 5, 10:11 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message ups.com... On Jul 5, 5:02 pm, "Dutch" wrote: snip... Wrong shit-for-brains, we've tried the rational approach with you, Not that I recall. I got totally irrational abuse from the very first post in reply to me. Are you suggesting that you actually do have rational objections to what I said? I mean, do you actually agree with Rick that no-one in our society cares about animals in the slightest? ========================= Again, a proven liar. Show where i have made this claim, killer. If I've misinterpreted your position, I apologize. I've made a good faith effort to interpret it correctly. You've certainly stated that *I* don't care about animals. Perhaps you could tell me who does, then. Perhaps I should have been a bit clearer about what I mean by "someone in our society". Maybe if someone dropped out of the consumer society and grew all their own food and made their own electricity, you'd finally admit that they care about animals to some extent. By "someone in our society" I meant someone who participates at some level in the processes in which just about everyone, with virtually no exceptions, participates. So, what exactly would it take for you to admit that I care about animals? And can you point me to anyone who does? If not, then what's your objection to what I said? Can you just identify one position I hold which is irrational and maybe point me in the direction of all the overwhelming rational arguments you've raised against it. ====================== veganism causes no/less/fewer deaths just because the diet portion contains no meat. Completely unsupported by you, and everyother usenet vegan, hypocrite... Well, as far as I'm concerned that's not true. I've given you some data in the past about how much crop production is required to feed the United States according to its current eating habits. I think it is reasonable to conclude that if everyone went vegan that would be a change for the better, not necessarily the only way to achieve a substantial change for the better. I don't think it is reasonable to say that this assertion of mine is "completely unsupported". If you really want to contest it I think you should make some effort to give some reason why we should doubt it. On the other hand, if you're just saying that there may be some non-vegan diets which are at least as good, on that point we are agreed. snip... |
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