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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... snip res t of endless vegan stupidity... |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial. But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal ethics, not your opinion of me. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults. It really is quite pathetic. snip res t of endless vegan stupidity...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial. But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal ethics, not your opinion of me. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up. ====================== I have killer, many times. Your willful ignorance and terminal stupidity demand that you refuse to undersatnd reality. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults. It really is quite pathetic. ============== I have many times fool. You can't understand apparently, killer. Why do you insist that the power consumption demands you place on usenet end at the end of your power plug, fool? |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 6, 2:33 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message groups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial. But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal ethics, not your opinion of me. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up. ====================== I have killer, many times. Your willful ignorance and terminal stupidity demand that you refuse to undersatnd reality. No, you haven't, not once. If you have, show me where. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults. It really is quite pathetic. ============== I have many times fool. Saying it doesn't make it so. You've never once given any explanation of how my usenet usage is going to cause more fish to die. Stop the mindless abuse and just answer the question, if you can. Or admit that you've got no justification for your claims. You can't understand apparently, killer. Why do you insist that the power consumption demands you place on usenet end at the end of your power plug, fool? Because you can't hold me responsible for what Google et al. do. What they do is their business, I can't influence it. They're not going to change their behaviour on my account unless they have some reasonable prospect of financial reward. If you think there's some mechanism whereby I can influence their behaviour, specify what it is. Contrary to your lies you've never done this. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 6, 2:33 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message ps.com... On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message groups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial. But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal ethics, not your opinion of me. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up. ====================== I have killer, many times. Your willful ignorance and terminal stupidity demand that you refuse to undersatnd reality. No, you haven't, not once. If you have, show me where. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults. It really is quite pathetic. ============== I have many times fool. Saying it doesn't make it so. You've never once given any explanation of how my usenet usage is going to cause more fish to die. Stop the mindless abuse and just answer the question, if you can. Or admit that you've got no justification for your claims. You can't understand apparently, killer. Why do you insist that the power consumption demands you place on usenet end at the end of your power plug, fool? Because you can't hold me responsible for what Google et al. do. What they do is their business, I can't influence it. They're not going to change their behaviour on my account unless they have some reasonable prospect of financial reward. If you think there's some mechanism whereby I can influence their behaviour, specify what it is. Contrary to your lies you've never done this. ========================= What is your obcession with google? You a shill for them, like you are the petro-chemical industry? I never once talkied about google or ads. Those are your strawmen, killer.... Try to keep up, and learn about the internet, hypocrite. If you're going to kill animals for your entertainment, you might as well know it. Of course, you already do, that's why you insis on discussing your strawmen, eh killer? |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
On Jul 6, 10:04 pm, "ontheroad" wrote:
"Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 6, 2:33 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message oups.com... On Jul 6, 12:16 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: "Rupert" wrote in message groups.com... On Jul 5, 1:40 pm, "ontheroad" wrote: snip ==================== How many did you save? Remember, the first claim was yours, that being vegan saved animals. Well, that's a good question. I don't know exactly. Probably about 20 per year if you count chickens. I haven't got any particular interest in proving to you that I'm doing a good job of saving animals. I'm more interested in just getting on with the job. If you're going to try and argue that I'm not doing that good a job, it's your job to make your case. ======================= That's my point. You are holding yourself back because you follow only your simple rule for your simple mind. Say the chickens are 5 pounds, and about 1000 calories per pound. 100,000 calories. What did you eat in place of that? Rice? potatoes? Bananas? How many animals died for the production of those replacements? 10? 20? 1000? Do you care? Your actions say no. Yes, I do care. I think I am making every reasonable effort under the circumstances to reduce my impact on animals. I think that it would be very difficult to get reliable information about what choices would reduce my impact further, and I think the gains would be trivial. But in any case, I really don't care about your opinion. I'm not interested in proving to you that I care about animals, or in meeting the standards that you for some reason think I should meet, even though you yourself don't meet them. Your contempt is really of no interest to me. I think it's absurd. We're here to discuss animal ethics, not your opinion of me. Bearing in mind that the electricity I use is produced by solar panels. ======================= We've been through this bs before, killer. Skipping the fact that I don't believe you, Well, that's pitiful desperation. If you're going to criticize someone's lifestyle when you don't know the facts, you can't just say "I don't believe you" when they tell you the facts. If you're going to contest what I say you've got to give some reason for thinking that you've got access to a more reliable source than me. since you're already a proven liar, Absolute nonsense. I've never told a single lie here and you know it. your use of the internet, and the demands you are part of go far beyond the electric your computer uses. Yes, I discussed this argument of yours. I don't buy it. No advertiser is going to give Google more money unless I actually click on one of their advertisements. ========================= Again, fool, the ad strawman is just that, your strawman. I'm not talking about ads ata all, killer. That you are too stupid to understand the workings of usnet is quite obvious, hypocrite. Elaborate on the mechanism by which my usenet use increases the expected number of animals who will die. You've given no clue as to what this mechanism is. Put up or shut up. ====================== I have killer, many times. Your willful ignorance and terminal stupidity demand that you refuse to undersatnd reality. No, you haven't, not once. If you have, show me where. That you continue to ignore your entertainment impacts on animals is quite amusing to watch, killer. It's quite amusing to watch your pitiful efforts to find any impact at all coming from my usenet use. ===================== Yes, it is amusing watching you tap dance. That you are willfully ignorant in your impact has been shown time and again... You've given no hint as to what the mechanism is whereby my usenet usage increases the expected number of animals who will die. Which means you've got nothing. All you can do is mindlessly hurl insults. It really is quite pathetic. ============== I have many times fool. Saying it doesn't make it so. You've never once given any explanation of how my usenet usage is going to cause more fish to die. Stop the mindless abuse and just answer the question, if you can. Or admit that you've got no justification for your claims. You can't understand apparently, killer. Why do you insist that the power consumption demands you place on usenet end at the end of your power plug, fool? Because you can't hold me responsible for what Google et al. do. What they do is their business, I can't influence it. They're not going to change their behaviour on my account unless they have some reasonable prospect of financial reward. If you think there's some mechanism whereby I can influence their behaviour, specify what it is. Contrary to your lies you've never done this. ========================= What is your obcession with google? You a shill for them, like you are the petro-chemical industry? I never once talkied about google or ads. It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms. Those are your strawmen, killer.... Try to keep up, and learn about the internet, hypocrite. If you're going to kill animals for your entertainment, you might as well know it. Of course, you already do, that's why you insis on discussing your strawmen, eh killer? Yawn. If you'd state one conceivable mechanism whereby my behaviour could lead to more animal deaths, we'd have something to discuss. |
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Now even spiders, squid and lobsters could have rights, and about time too!
"Rupert" wrote
It's your job to state the mechanism whereby my behaviour causes animal deaths. You've utterly failed to meet this obligation. I've generously been helping you out by suggesting possible mechanisms. Listen to how self-serving and condescending you sound, referring to yourself as "generous". Then you squeal like an infant about verbal abuse. You earn every bit of verbal abuse you get, and then some. You sponsor animal deaths by using a computer, because a computer uses hydro and hydro production causes animal deaths. If your use of a computer is not directly related to your survival then you are causing unecessary animal deaths. Does that indictment sound familar? This same principle applies to every part of your life where you consume anything more than you require to survive. Even if you consider those few activities which truly *are* necessary for your survival, you still could not do them if those deaths were humans. That's how different your real lifestyle is compared to the pie-in-the-sky ideas you spout. |
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