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Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of
anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, John |
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On 7 Sep, 16:38, "John Vanini" wrote:
Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Each fertilizer has its amount of NPK - and on some instances, like for beans, I'd use OM and then later use comfrey to mulch. I use OM every year (my autumn delivery arrives tomorrow!!) which goes on top of every bed and I keep it there until I've used it all. I do nettles and comfrey, not together, but separately in different buckets (I got some amazing barrels from Mary on this forum earlier this year). These I use everywhere, for flowers and fruits. Now I'm stopping - there's no need. I'll make fresh barrels next year, as soon as the nettles arrives, because young leaves are the bestest. I use comfrey to mulch and add it on my compost pile (and box at home). I also don't get headaches with weeds and grass, as I find some to be useful as mulch. Find below a link which I think is perfect for you. It will give you the general idea of the balance in NPK and what natural fertiliser is good for from Shoddy to Green Manure! I have never used Growmore and don't intent to either. I have simpler http://www.ecodyfi.org.uk/growing/downloads/Week4.doc |
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"John Vanini" wrote in message ... Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, John Someone I know grows magnificent vegetables and wins at shows, constantly. He admits that he has his own recipe but he guards it jealously! Mary |
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Thanks Helene,
I was told that was what he did but the chap I was talking to may not have really known - hence my question! I will, as soon as I can I will talk to the plot holder, himself to see what he says. Thanks for your information, it's very interesting and all very welcome! I must admit that I wish I'd got an allotment many years ago as I enjoy it so much and the people are all so friendly and helpful - here and on the allotment site. I'll try that link. Kindest regards, John __________________________________________________ _ Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Each fertilizer has its amount of NPK - and on some instances, like for beans, I'd use OM and then later use comfrey to mulch. I use OM every year (my autumn delivery arrives tomorrow!!) which goes on top of every bed and I keep it there until I've used it all. I do nettles and comfrey, not together, but separately in different buckets (I got some amazing barrels from Mary on this forum earlier this year). These I use everywhere, for flowers and fruits. Now I'm stopping - there's no need. I'll make fresh barrels next year, as soon as the nettles arrives, because young leaves are the bestest. I use comfrey to mulch and add it on my compost pile (and box at home). I also don't get headaches with weeds and grass, as I find some to be useful as mulch. Find below a link which I think is perfect for you. It will give you the general idea of the balance in NPK and what natural fertiliser is good for from Shoddy to Green Manure! I have never used Growmore and don't intent to either. I have simpler http://www.ecodyfi.org.uk/growing/downloads/Week4.doc |
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Yes, Mary, and, I must admit, you can understand it when they're entering
crops for exhibituions, I suppose - something I don't intende to do - not with the quality of crops I'm producing at the moment! Thanks and best regards John "Mary Fisher" wrote in message t... Someone I know grows magnificent vegetables and wins at shows, constantly. He admits that he has his own recipe but he guards it jealously! Mary |
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:45:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher"
wrote: Someone I know grows magnificent vegetables and wins at shows, constantly. He admits that he has his own recipe but he guards it jealously! Don't know about that. My late mother had a neighbour Ca 1950 who grew cabbages the size of footballs. What with poverty, food rationing and all that he was very generous and gave her plenty when he had them. One day she asked him "What do you put on them ?" "Old Wesh" he replied. "What's that ?" she asked. "Well, we keep a bucket in the bathroom" ... was the answer. At the next "neighbourhood meeting" (over the garden fence) mum was reported to have said : "And 'e's no need to come round to my 'ouse with 'is cabbages" DG |
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"Derek Geldard" wrote in message ... On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:45:46 +0100, "Mary Fisher" wrote: Someone I know grows magnificent vegetables and wins at shows, constantly. He admits that he has his own recipe but he guards it jealously! Don't know about that. My late mother had a neighbour Ca 1950 who grew cabbages the size of footballs. What with poverty, food rationing and all that he was very generous and gave her plenty when he had them. One day she asked him "What do you put on them ?" "Old Wesh" he replied. "What's that ?" she asked. "Well, we keep a bucket in the bathroom" ... was the answer. At the next "neighbourhood meeting" (over the garden fence) mum was reported to have said : "And 'e's no need to come round to my 'ouse with 'is cabbages" DG Wouldn't bother me. Considering what feeds my vegetables ... Mary |
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On 7 Sep, 18:43, Derek Geldard wrote:
Don't know about that. My late mother had a neighbour Ca 1950 who grew cabbages the size of footballs. What with poverty, food rationing and all that he was very generous and gave her plenty when he had them. One day she asked him "What do you put on them ?" "Old Wesh" he replied. "What's that ?" she asked. "Well, we keep a bucket in the bathroom" ... was the answer. At the next "neighbourhood meeting" (over the garden fence) mum was reported to have said : "And 'e's no need to come round to my 'ouse with 'is cabbages" Nightsoil. I'm too scared to experiment, but I know someone who does and I've never found his crops better than with horse manure. Any crap would do I think ;o) |
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On 7 Sep, 18:04, "John Vanini" wrote:
I was told that was what he did but the chap I was talking to may not have really known - hence my question! I will, as soon as I can I will talk to the plot holder, himself to see what he says. That's the best way to get info - but your own experiences are also invaluable. Follow your instincts :o) I must admit that I wish I'd got an allotment many years ago as I enjoy it so much and the people are all so friendly and helpful - here and on the allotment site. It is therapy for many in this fast moving crazy world. It is a retreat and a quiet place to find oneself. I can't imagine not having it - as much as I think I would love to own a couple of acres, I think I'd miss the people walking through and saying hi! and just standing there chitchating with a cuppa. |
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On 7 Sep, 18:45, judith wrote:
Why does it sound really mad? - just because you "can't imagine" the proportions to use does not mean it is not a sensible idea. Perhaps you should suggest to John that he tells the old man on his allotment that he doesn't know what he is doing and that he should stop and do things "your" way - despite the fact he seems to be getting fantastic results. Hello and chill. What is mad is to suggest that someone 'perhaps' is putting in a bucket some manure, followed by growmore, followed by nettles and then the lot in water. That is something I have never heard off. As John pointed out, he's not sure, he's heard that the old man is doing something with lots of stuff but not sure what. I use lots of stuff, but certainly not all in a single bucket. HTH |
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Your absolutley right! I am sometimes the first person on the allotment in
the early morning and have found myself just staring at the clouds and listening to the birds and not wanting to drag my eyes away. Another good sound at any time of the day, is that of someone else digging on a plot somewhere on the other side of the allotment! There's too much noise pollution in today's world, so it's good to get away from it. I hardly ever listen to the radio and seldom watch television (except for films! - I love films especially the old black & white ones when there was less sex, violence, and swearing and we had to make do with a good story, well-acted and well-told!) I like to hear what other people do and what they have tried, in the garden or wherever in life - nobody's experience is useless. I also like to think that I'm intelligent enough to form my own ideas from what they have said and from commonsense, logic, and my own experience. I don't believe that anyone's opinion is worthless as it can lead to an idea coming into mind that otherwise wouldn't. Anyway, I'm rattling on so had better stop! Thanks again for your replys Best regards, John wrote in message ups.com... On 7 Sep, 18:04, "John Vanini" wrote: I was told that was what he did but the chap I was talking to may not have really known - hence my question! I will, as soon as I can I will talk to the plot holder, himself to see what he says. That's the best way to get info - but your own experiences are also invaluable. Follow your instincts :o) I must admit that I wish I'd got an allotment many years ago as I enjoy it so much and the people are all so friendly and helpful - here and on the allotment site. It is therapy for many in this fast moving crazy world. It is a retreat and a quiet place to find oneself. I can't imagine not having it - as much as I think I would love to own a couple of acres, I think I'd miss the people walking through and saying hi! and just standing there chitchating with a cuppa. |
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Good grief! Whatever is the matter, Judith? What Helene said was perfectly
sound and I took it the way it was intended. As I said, I was told what the plotholder (supposedly) did by his neighour, who may have got it completely wrong, but I do intend to ask the man himself. In the meantime, I thought that it would be interesting to find out what others on this newsgroup thought about it or might have some idea as to the proportions involved and if they did anything similar. There was nothing wrong with any of the answers I got, including Helene's - and it was my posting so if anyone had the right to complain, I did. But I had no need - Helene thought it was mad - so, what? What's wrong with that? It probably is! So, Judith, what do you thiink of the idea? What would you suggest? Let's have some constructive criticism and forget what's happened. I don't want any flame war or anything like that - I like to get on with people - but I don't like rudeness. It's totally unnecessary. Regards, John __________________________________________________ _____ "judith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:59:23 -0700, wrote: Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Why does it sound really mad? - just because you "can't imagine" the proportions to use does not mean it is not a sensible idea. Perhaps you should suggest to John that he tells the old man on his allotment that he doesn't know what he is doing and that he should stop and do things "your" way - despite the fact he seems to be getting fantastic results. |
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"John Vanini" wrote in message
... Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include manure from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then when I want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks like weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the usual dosage. Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. |
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"John Vanini" wrote in message ... Good grief! Whatever is the matter, Judith? What Helene said was perfectly sound and I took it the way it was intended. John, there are a lot of people on this newsgroup who could do with the following - http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...ayretreats.htm Kindest regards Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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On 7 Sep, 16:38, "John Vanini" wrote: Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Good grief. Here she goes again with more silly advice! |
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On 8/9/07 16:49, in article ,
"John Vanini" wrote: snip So, Judith, what do you thiink of the idea? What would you suggest? Let's have some constructive criticism and forget what's happened. snip John, the post to which you're replying is not from Judith Lea. She always uses her full name when posting. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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On Sep 8, 5:01 pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/9/07 16:49, in article ,"John Vanini" wrote: snip So, Judith, what do you thiink of the idea? What would you suggest? Let's have some constructive criticism and forget what's happened. snip John, the post to which you're replying is not from Judith Lea. She always uses her full name when posting. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' Certainly is not me, I put my name to anything I post. This is another Judith, if you look she has posted here before. There is a similar problem in the food group where I post and also another Judith also. Anything posted with just the name Judith is not me, I am Judith Lea. Judith |
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On Sep 7, 8:20 pm, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:45:24 +0100, judith wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:59:23 -0700, wrote: On 7 Sep, 16:38, "John Vanini" wrote: Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Why does it sound really mad? - just because you "can't imagine" the proportions to use does not mean it is not a sensible idea. Perhaps you should suggest to John that he tells the old man on his allotment that he doesn't know what he is doing and that he should stop and do things "your" way - despite the fact he seems to be getting fantastic results. Do you sometimes wonder what she smokes? -- Martin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Who? T'aint me Martin it's that Judith who posts in the legal group and that definitely ain't me:) Judith |
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On Sep 8, 4:49 pm, "John Vanini" wrote:
Good grief! Whatever is the matter, Judith? What Helene said was perfectly sound and I took it the way it was intended. As I said, I was told what the plotholder (supposedly) did by his neighour, who may have got it completely wrong, but I do intend to ask the man himself. In the meantime, I thought that it would be interesting to find out what others on this newsgroup thought about it or might have some idea as to the proportions involved and if they did anything similar. There was nothing wrong with any of the answers I got, including Helene's - and it was my posting so if anyone had the right to complain, I did. But I had no need - Helene thought it was mad - so, what? What's wrong with that? It probably is! So, Judith, what do you thiink of the idea? What would you suggest? Let's have some constructive criticism and forget what's happened. I don't want any flame war or anything like that - I like to get on with people - but I don't like rudeness. It's totally unnecessary. Regards, John __________________________________________________ _____ "judith" wrote in message ... On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:59:23 -0700, wrote: Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Why does it sound really mad? - just because you "can't imagine" the proportions to use does not mean it is not a sensible idea. Perhaps you should suggest to John that he tells the old man on his allotment that he doesn't know what he is doing and that he should stop and do things "your" way - despite the fact he seems to be getting fantastic results.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - T'aint me John, shall I change my name to Judy? Judith |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include manure from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then when I want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks like weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the usual dosage. Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. Ours is 'coomuckwatter' - despite what it might contain. Mary |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. Ours is 'coomuckwatter' - despite what it might contain. I like it! May I borrow it please? |
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"John Vanini" wrote in message ... Your absolutley right! I am sometimes the first person on the allotment in the early morning and have found myself just staring at the clouds and listening to the birds and not wanting to drag my eyes away. Another good sound at any time of the day, is that of someone else digging on a plot somewhere on the other side of the allotment! There's too much noise pollution in today's world, so it's good to get away from it. I hardly ever listen to the radio and seldom watch television (except for films! - I love films especially the old black & white ones when there was less sex, violence, and swearing and we had to make do with a good story, well-acted and well-told!) I find taking the odd excess lettuce or tomatos around to the neighbours from time to time does wonders for building relations & lets you have good conversations (hear gossip). Today the various neighbours got some excess endives, broccoli and grapefruit. Had 3 good yaks and got to nose at what they were up to (beats pulling back curtains all day). rob |
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Hi Judith,
I would like to apologise and I'm down on my knees (but that's because of the what I've had to drink!) Only joking, I haven't had a drink since, well, the last time. I apologise again, Judith, I didn't spot the difference in the email address and must have picked up the wrong one to reply to. My excuse is that I'm new to newsgroups. I like the names Judith and Judy so don't change on my account (lol)! I will just have to look more closely at who I'm replying to. Kindest regards, John " wrote in message ps.com... T'aint me John, shall I change my name to Judy? Judith |
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Thanks Mike!
As they say, "That made oi chortle!". To coin a phrase, "Book me in Scotty!" It seems, however, that I replied to the wrong email and now I'm wearing sackcloth and ashes! I emailed Judith Lea instead of just Judith. Why I wrote what I did was because I was so surprised at the vehemence that was apparent in message. While I can understand someone being angry for a reason , for no reason just baffles me. I felt I had to say something - Helene didn't deserve that - no one did and it was my posting that brought it about. Anyway, I'm going to forget the whole thing and get on with gardening. Thanks again, Mike. Kindest regards, John __________________________________________________ __ "'Mike'" wrote in message ... "John Vanini" wrote in message ... Good grief! Whatever is the matter, Judith? What Helene said was perfectly sound and I took it the way it was intended. John, there are a lot of people on this newsgroup who could do with the following - http://www.globalretreatcentre.org.u...ayretreats.htm Kindest regards Mike snip |
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"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Mary Fisher" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. Ours is 'coomuckwatter' - despite what it might contain. I like it! May I borrow it please? Well - our royalty charges are quite steep - but, since it's you, go on then. Just don't make a habit of it :-) You do, of course, have to pronounce it with a Yorkshire accent - can you do that? Mary |
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Thanks for the information, FarmI,
I was wondering, though, how you manage to tie the alpacas up in an old bag! And just who is this old bag and does she mind? We don't seem to have too many alpacas, here, in Worthing, though I'm beginning to wonder about some of the sheep - I saw one eating an apple from the top of the tree. Sorry, FarmI, I find it difficult to be serious for too long. I was born a comedian - well, at least my mother said she thought I was a joke when she first saw me! The council, here in Worthing, has just changed the refuse collection system, yet again - we now have two wheelie bins. I am not drifting off-topic because this means that I now have two large dustbins (originally used for rubbish but hardly used now) and three large containers (originally used for re-cycling). All these can go up to my allotment, next week and, then, I shall, probably, try your delightful sounding concoction (lol)! Best regards and thanks again, John __________________________________________________ ____ "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include manure from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then when I want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks like weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the usual dosage. Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. |
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On Sep 8, 8:00 pm, "John Vanini" wrote:
Hi Judith, I would like to apologise and I'm down on my knees (but that's because of the what I've had to drink!) Only joking, I haven't had a drink since, well, the last time. I apologise again, Judith, I didn't spot the difference in the email address and must have picked up the wrong one to reply to. My excuse is that I'm new to newsgroups. I like the names Judith and Judy so don't change on my account (lol)! I will just have to look more closely at who I'm replying to. Kindest regards, John " wrote in message ps.com... T'aint me John, shall I change my name to Judy? Judith- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That's o.k. John, it was an easy mistake to make, you can get off your knees now, you might crease your trousers. Tell us more about yourself as I don't think I have seen too many of your postings. If you want, when replying to me, you will be allowed the great honour of calling me Judy so that there is no confusion. Now that will start gossip as I have never invited anyone to call me that befo-)) The New Judy |
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On 8 Sep, 16:57, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include manure from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then when I want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks like weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the usual dosage. What, no growmore? I thought you put 'everything' in it. Don't say I give silly advice, but say you do things a different way. I do mix, but I don't put growmore into it nor do I know anyone who puts 'everything' in it including growmore, as John said he had heard. I basically made sure John understood that he cannot put just 'everything' he heard. That is all. Don't carry on this vendetta Fran. I beg of you to stop it right now. |
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On 8/9/07 20:00, in article , "John
Vanini" wrote: Hi Judith, I would like to apologise and I'm down on my knees (but that's because of the what I've had to drink!) Only joking, I haven't had a drink since, well, the last time. I apologise again, Judith, I didn't spot the difference in the email address and must have picked up the wrong one to reply to. My excuse is that I'm new to newsgroups. I like the names Judith and Judy so don't change on my account (lol)! I will just have to look more closely at who I'm replying to. Nice when things sort themselves out! But back to square one for a moment, John, if I may. If you're lucky enough to have an 'old boy' on your allotment, I'd take a LOT of notice, if I were in your shoes. Much of this wisdom is being lost to us so don't dismiss it. It sounds as if he's taken some of the modern and mixed it with some of the old and come up with a good recipe. There's nothing to stop you trying his advice on one part of the allotment and anyone else's on another part. Conduct your own research, note the results in a diary each season and find out what works for you. But if he's producing stupendous crops.........well - look no further would do for me! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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"Mary Fisher" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Mary Fisher" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Old gardeners use multiple names for such a brew and all have their favourite names. I call it "Black Jack" but there are perhaps as many names as there are gardeners. Ours is 'coomuckwatter' - despite what it might contain. I like it! May I borrow it please? Well - our royalty charges are quite steep - but, since it's you, go on then. Just don't make a habit of it :-) You do, of course, have to pronounce it with a Yorkshire accent - can you do that? Not well, but my daughter is a perfect mimic and I'll get her to coach me. :-)) |
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"John Vanini" wrote in message
Thanks for the information, FarmI, Most welcome. I was wondering, though, how you manage to tie the alpacas up in an old bag! It's a bit of a struggle, but my garden's worth it. :-)) And just who is this old bag and does she mind? The old bag is me. Seen better days but gardening better as I get older as I learn more and now know the short cuts which eluded me in my youth. The council, here in Worthing, has just changed the refuse collection system, yet again - we now have two wheelie bins. I am not drifting off-topic because this means that I now have two large dustbins (originally used for rubbish but hardly used now) and three large containers (originally used for re-cycling). All these can go up to my allotment, next week and, then, I shall, probably, try your delightful sounding concoction (lol)! Sounds like you now have a good supply of containers. You'll soon need more though as I find all containers quickly find a use and then I have to do a withdrawal rather than a deposit at the local tip. |
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"George.com" wrote in message ... "John Vanini" wrote in message ... Your absolutley right! I am sometimes the first person on the allotment in the early morning and have found myself just staring at the clouds and listening to the birds and not wanting to drag my eyes away. Another good sound at any time of the day, is that of someone else digging on a plot somewhere on the other side of the allotment! There's too much noise pollution in today's world, so it's good to get away from it. I hardly ever listen to the radio and seldom watch television (except for films! - I love films especially the old black & white ones when there was less sex, violence, and swearing and we had to make do with a good story, well-acted and well-told!) I find taking the odd excess lettuce or tomatos around to the neighbours from time to time does wonders for building relations & lets you have good conversations (hear gossip). Today the various neighbours got some excess endives, broccoli and grapefruit. Had 3 good yaks and got to nose at what they were up to (beats pulling back curtains all day). rob Couldn't agree more on that one rob. We have some wonderful neighbours, in fact the whole neighbourhood is very friendly. Do you adopt the same policy as me, 'You have two ears and one mouth, use them in the same proportion"? People love to talk and if they have a problem, let them pour it out and offer either help or sympathy. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk for the latest pictures of the very first reunion and Inaugural General Meeting. Nothing less than a fantastic success. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association if you served in the Electrical Branch of the Royal Navy www.rneba.org.uk to find your ex-Greenie mess mates www.iowtours.com for all ex-Service Reunions. More being added regularly "Navy Days" Portsmouth 25th - 27th July 2008. RN Shipmates will have a Stand |
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On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:00:06 +0100, John Vanini wrote
(in article ): snip I apologise again, Judith, I didn't spot the difference in the email address and must have picked up the wrong one to reply to. My excuse is that I'm new to newsgroups. John, I do think that part of the problem is that you always top-post. If you snip out the irrelevant bits of whatever you are replying to (as I have done here), and post underneath the point you are particularly replying to, it makes it much easier to follow the conversation and much less confusing about who is replying to whom. If you look, you will see that most people do this on this newsgroup (and indeed all the ones that I frequent!). Better still is to sort-of "inter-post" so that you get Point A, your response, Point B, your response, etc. Hope this is helpful. -- Sally in Shropshire, UK Burne-Jones/William Morris window in Shropshire church with conservation churchyard: http://www.whitton-stmarys.org.uk |
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"George.com" wrote in message ... I find taking the odd excess lettuce or tomatos around to the neighbours from time to time does wonders for building relations & lets you have good conversations (hear gossip). Today the various neighbours got some excess endives, broccoli and grapefruit. Had 3 good yaks and got to nose at what they were up to (beats pulling back curtains all day). rob Hmm, doesn't work with our neighbours. One lot eats no fruit and vegetables (although they grow tomatoes, pears and runner beans!) and the other lot prefers the clean ones they buy cheaply in shops. I don't want to know what they're up to :-) Mary |
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ps.com... On 8 Sep, 16:57, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote: I throw whatever I have on hand into an old 44 gallon drum which has a plastic lid held down by a brick and top it up with water. I then let it fester for a few weeks. I use a big garbage bin for between times and always have one on the go and one lot brewing. The mix can include manure from horse or cow or alpacas tied up in an old bag, weeds/plants that I can't/don't compost (comfrey, dock, wire weed, marshamallow) and then when I want to use it I put it into a watering can and dilute it till it looks like weak tea and pour it from the watering can. Little and often is the usual dosage. What, no growmore? I thought you put 'everything' in it. For God's sake! You always think that people are raging a vendetta against you but it is more a case of extreme frustration at your lack of care! You get things so stuffed up because you appear to fail to read and understand what they wrote, either that or you must misunderstand things deliberately. What you've just posted is simply another such example. I did NOT write that I put 'everything' into it. I wrote that I put 'whatever I have on hand'. If you had a lick of common sense and applied it to all your posting, you would realise that this does NOT mean that I add the whole contents of my potting shed. If I put in 'everything' as you seem to think I wrote, why would that exclude snail bait or glyphosate or mulching materials or tools or any of the other things I have lurking in the shed? I think about my posts before I blast off into print and you usually give the impression that you either don't take due care or put sufficient thought into what you want to say before leaping into print. John wrote about an allotment. I do not have an allotment. I have never had an allotment. I will never be in the situation where I would have an allotment. I have only ever read about allotments or seen then through a fence but the one thing I do know is that allotments are located in towns. Access to the sort of good ripe, rich, manure that I can collect from my own or neighbour's paddocks or from under my shearing shed or from my chook shed is not going to be an easy or regular occurance for allotment holders. And even if the allotmenteers CAN get a delivery, rather than buying it in neat packaged bags, the sort of manure they will get is not going to be as fresh or as useful as the stuff I can get. Too much rubbish is written about the supposed benefits of 'aged manure'. I suspect that most people have either never bothered to experiment with real manure, don't have access to real manure or rely too much on book knowledge. So, the point of the above comment is, that a) I thought about John's situation before I posted, b) I thought about why a gardener making home-made liquid fertiliser would include a chemical fertiliser and c) what I would do in a similar situation. I realised that IF I couldn't get fresh, good quality, manure, I would have no problems adding a complete chemical fertiliser to my Black Jack EVEN IF that mix includes horse manure. Horse manure is so mild that I treat it more as a soil conditioner than a fertiliser, and I get my horse manure so fresh sometimes that it is still steaming as it comes from the horse. The whole point of liquid fertiliser is to use it regularly as a tonic and weak feed rather than to kill the plant by using it neat. It is used diluted. I could effectively kill plants by planting straight into fresh chook poop straight from under the perches, but I have more sense than to do that. I assume that others have some degree of common sense too. We buy chemical fertiliser in 40kg bags, but I assume that even the greenest of gardeners has read or intuitively knows enough about plant biology not to use 40 kg of fertiliser in a garbage bin of liquid Black Jack or to use their Black Jack neat. Don't say I give silly advice, but say you do things a different way. I do mix, but I don't put growmore into it nor do I know anyone who puts 'everything' in it including growmore, as John said he had heard. John wrote no such thing. And this is just the sort of lack of understanding, or lack of due care and attention to detail, that you do time and time again that gives me and other the willies and leads you to be clouted over the head again and again by so many people here. They don't do it because they are nasty, they do it because time and time again you stuff things up and you then refuse to be corrected or deny that what you wrote was what you actually wrote. John wrote about a man who used 3 things (I repeat, THREE things) in his liquid manure. Where did you get the idea that the gardener John mentioned used "everything" when only 3 (repeat THREE) things were mentioned by John? These 3 things were Growmore, stinging nettles and horse manure. I use many more things, always have and probably always will. I basically made sure John understood that he cannot put just 'everything' he heard. That is all. No that is not what you wrote at all. You wrote: " I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each." Time you took your own advice. This is truly a situation where just because YOU do it one way, does not mean that your way is either right or the only way or that just because you don't do it, it is MAD if someone does it differently to how you do it. The proof is in the pudding. John has seen the vegetables growing where the mix he mentioned is being used. John knows that the mix works. He has been given information on what is in the mix and he has no reason to believe that the gardener who does put complete chemical fertiliser into his liquid fertiliser is either mad or even the slightest bit odd. Having thought about why the gardener might put a complete chemical fertiliser in his mix, I also see no need to think of him as being mad or strange. I can certainly understand why he puts in a complete chemical fertiliser inot the mix in his particular circumstances and I can think of no reason why it would not work. As someone who has an allotment, you should be in a better position than I am to realise that adding a chemical fertiliser to a homne-made liquid fertiliser is not going to be a mad idea. There is a reason why it can be done, there is no reason why it cannot be done and there is no reason why it wouldn't work either. Don't carry on this vendetta Fran. I beg of you to stop it right now. If you ever made any post which was designed to quell the extreme nastiness of Mike Crowe, I might believe that you could actually recognise a vendetta if it bit you on the nose. Since you have not only encouraged Mike's nasty sorties as well as engaged in those he starts as well as initiating your own, then you can beg all you want. You have such a nasty posting history here that you will have to spend a very, very long time being a very nice, decent and honest poster before you can earn even the most basic level of civility from me. |
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On 9 Sep, 10:53, "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote:
basically made sure John understood that he cannot put just 'everything' he heard. That is all. No that is not what you wrote at all. You wrote: " I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each." That's right - I said do not put in ONE BUCKET EVERYTING LIKE GROWMORE, NETTLES, OM etc. What is wrong with you woman?!?!?!? And you're from Australia, live in Australia. This is a UK forum. I've seen you've tried to get onto the Permaculture forum but nobody answered you back. I wondered if they're trying to avoid you like the plage LOL!!!. Stop trying to annoyed everybody here. It was nice when weren't here. |
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On Sep 9, 10:44 am, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:07:33 -0000, " wrote: On Sep 7, 8:20 pm, Martin wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 18:45:24 +0100, judith wrote: On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:59:23 -0700, wrote: On 7 Sep, 16:38, "John Vanini" wrote: Following my earlier posting on Nitro-Chalk, I would be pleased to hear of anyone else's home-made fertilisers (that is, if you don't mind passing the information on!). I ask because, yesterday, I heard about a man on the allotment site who makes his own by adding Growmore, stinging nettles, and horse manure to water in a very large butt and letting it stand. I was amazed at the size and health of his crops but I haven't managed to see him yet, as we, obviously, go up there at different times but when I do I'll ask him the quatities he uses and how he uses it and hope he tells me. I've read of comfrey and stinging nettles (among other things) being used but never tried it myself, as yet so I'd love to hear of other people's favourite recipes. I ask so many questions because I'm trying to learn as much as I can about gardening before any more of my body packs up and I have to give up my beloved allotment! Anyway, thanks in advance and my best regards, Hi John. I wouldn't put in one bucket growmore, nettles and OM altogether - EVER! Sounds really mad and I can't imagine what would be the right amount for each. Why does it sound really mad? - just because you "can't imagine" the proportions to use does not mean it is not a sensible idea. Perhaps you should suggest to John that he tells the old man on his allotment that he doesn't know what he is doing and that he should stop and do things "your" way - despite the fact he seems to be getting fantastic results. Do you sometimes wonder what she smokes? Who? The home made manure stirrer. T'aint me Martin it's that Judith who posts in the legal group and that definitely ain't me:) I never suspected you :-) -- Martin- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My Man, I knew you would have faith in me. Judith |
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On Sep 9, 12:13 pm, Anne Jackson wrote:
The message from contains these words: they're trying to avoid you like the plage LOL!!!. It's a good idea to stay away from _the beach_! (or have I forgotten my schoolgirl French?) -- AnneJ If you don't quit, and don't cheat, and don't run home when trouble arrives, you can only win. ~Shelley Long You have email Mrs. Jackson Judith |
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On 9 Sep, 12:13, Anne Jackson wrote:
It's a good idea to stay away from _the beach_! (or have I forgotten my schoolgirl French?) :o))) |
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