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Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
On 29/11/07 14:46, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 29/11/07 10:48, in article , "Janet | Tweedy" wrote: | | What about posting to the RHS? | | Could do - good idea. I'll also ask her to knock on the door, though and to | take a photo of the whole thing. She describes the bush as looking as if | it's covered in lots of little pumpkins! Critical aspects include whether the bush has thorns, and exactly how the fruit are attached to it (e.g. whether via stems and on what sort of age of wood). Regards, Nick Maclaren. Duly noted and passed on! Thanks everyone. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
In message , Sacha
writes On 29/11/07 14:46, in article , "Nick Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 29/11/07 10:48, in article , "Janet | Tweedy" wrote: | | What about posting to the RHS? | | Could do - good idea. I'll also ask her to knock on the door, though and to | take a photo of the whole thing. She describes the bush as looking as if | it's covered in lots of little pumpkins! Critical aspects include whether the bush has thorns, and exactly how the fruit are attached to it (e.g. whether via stems and on what sort of age of wood). Regards, Nick Maclaren. Duly noted and passed on! Thanks everyone. Also whether there are the remains of the calyx at the distal end (the end opposite the stalk) of the fruit. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
In message , Sacha
writes On 29/11/07 16:05, in article lid, "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 29/11/07 14:46, in article , "Nick Maclaren" wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 29/11/07 10:48, in article , "Janet | Tweedy" wrote: | | What about posting to the RHS? | | Could do - good idea. I'll also ask her to knock on the door, |though and to | take a photo of the whole thing. She describes the bush as |looking as if | it's covered in lots of little pumpkins! Critical aspects include whether the bush has thorns, and exactly how the fruit are attached to it (e.g. whether via stems and on what sort of age of wood). Regards, Nick Maclaren. Duly noted and passed on! Thanks everyone. Also whether there are the remains of the calyx at the distal end (the end opposite the stalk) of the fruit. Will do. Thanks, Stewart. I must say there weren't on the two she gave us. That supports as an identification as Chaenomeles, as opposed to Cydonia or Docynia. (Pseudocydonia is treated as a synonym of Chaenomeles in Flora of China.) Of the 16 genera present in China Raphiolepis also has caducuous sepals, and the presence or absence of the calyx in fruit is variable in Sorbus, Pyrus and Malus. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I was given this tonight by someone who lives in Westbury on Trym. She has seen these fruits growing on a bush (not a tree) in a garden and picked two up off the road. They smell very faintly citrusy to me and each seed chamber has two seeds in each side. She's not a gardener so can only tell me that the leaves are leaf shaped, not huge, not leathery and that the fruits are autumnal. http://i16.tinypic.com/7x8rupj.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon names. Probably worth googling it. |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
On 29/11/07 18:14, in article , "Russel
Sprout" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I was given this tonight by someone who lives in Westbury on Trym. She has seen these fruits growing on a bush (not a tree) in a garden and picked two up off the road. They smell very faintly citrusy to me and each seed chamber has two seeds in each side. She's not a gardener so can only tell me that the leaves are leaf shaped, not huge, not leathery and that the fruits are autumnal. http://i16.tinypic.com/7x8rupj.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon names. Probably worth googling it. It's extraordinarily like it but H. macrocarpa is waaaay too big. The Bristol fruits are about the size of a chestnut. What size are the fruits of H. heteroclita, do you happen to know? Or are they the same plant under different names? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
In message , Sacha
writes On 29/11/07 18:14, in article , "Russel Sprout" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I was given this tonight by someone who lives in Westbury on Trym. She has seen these fruits growing on a bush (not a tree) in a garden and picked two up off the road. They smell very faintly citrusy to me and each seed chamber has two seeds in each side. She's not a gardener so can only tell me that the leaves are leaf shaped, not huge, not leathery and that the fruits are autumnal. http://i16.tinypic.com/7x8rupj.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon names. Probably worth googling it. It's extraordinarily like it but H. macrocarpa is waaaay too big. The Bristol fruits are about the size of a chestnut. What size are the fruits of H. heteroclita, do you happen to know? Or are they the same plant under different names? There seems to some debate as to whether there is one of two species. Wikipedia has H. macrocarpa as the southern form, and H. heteroclita as the northern form. Some other sources give them as synonyms. Even the northern form might not be hardy in Britain. Apart from the size of the fruit (8" diam, 4-6" long in H. heteroclita), the plants are woody climbers, not bushes, the leaves are 3 or more commonly 5-lobed, and the flowers have long tendrils extending from the petals. I also suspect that the seeds don't match - pictures look as if individual seeds (6 in total) fill cavities in fruit pulp. http://hua.huh.harvard.edu/china/mss...-MO_coauthorin gFeb2007.htm (It might be worth showing your fruits bisected vertically, rather than horizontally, as this may help confirm that they are pomes.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
In article , "Russel Sprout" writes: | | I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon | names. Probably worth googling it. Hmm. That indicates something that we haven't asked. Is there an apple-like boundary to the seed chamber (usually with 'fingernails'), or are the seeds enclosed in a loose pulp with no clear boundary between that and the flesh? If the former, it is very unlikely (impossible?) to be a cucurbit and is almost certainly one of the Rosaceae pome fruits. If the latter, more or less the converse applies, though a cucurbit is only one of many possibilities. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 29/11/07 18:14, in article , "Russel Sprout" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I was given this tonight by someone who lives in Westbury on Trym. She has seen these fruits growing on a bush (not a tree) in a garden and picked two up off the road. They smell very faintly citrusy to me and each seed chamber has two seeds in each side. She's not a gardener so can only tell me that the leaves are leaf shaped, not huge, not leathery and that the fruits are autumnal. http://i16.tinypic.com/7x8rupj.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon names. Probably worth googling it. It's extraordinarily like it but H. macrocarpa is waaaay too big. The Bristol fruits are about the size of a chestnut. What size are the fruits of H. heteroclita, do you happen to know? Or are they the same plant under different names? macrocarpa, as the name suggests is a big variety/species. There are many similar variety/species in the wild that are smaller, only a few are named, pinning this particular plant down would be difficult and probably the province of and expert, not myself. If its heteroclita look out for the flowers next hear, short lived, but absolutly amazing! |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
"Nick Maclaren" wrote in message ... In article , "Russel Sprout" writes: | | I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon | names. Probably worth googling it. Hmm. That indicates something that we haven't asked. Is there an apple-like boundary to the seed chamber (usually with 'fingernails'), or are the seeds enclosed in a loose pulp with no clear boundary between that and the flesh? If the former, it is very unlikely (impossible?) to be a cucurbit and is almost certainly one of the Rosaceae pome fruits. If the latter, more or less the converse applies, though a cucurbit is only one of many possibilities. Quince, or similar, is much more likely of course, I have seen quince deeply lobed like that. It would be nice if it were something much more exotic though. |
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Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
On 29/11/07 19:03, in article , "Nick
Maclaren" wrote: In article , "Russel Sprout" writes: | | I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon | names. Probably worth googling it. Hmm. That indicates something that we haven't asked. Is there an apple-like boundary to the seed chamber (usually with 'fingernails'), or are the seeds enclosed in a loose pulp with no clear boundary between that and the flesh? If the former, it is very unlikely (impossible?) to be a cucurbit and is almost certainly one of the Rosaceae pome fruits. If the latter, more or less the converse applies, though a cucurbit is only one of many possibilities. The seeds are loose in their chamber with no flesh clinging to them and there seem to be two seeds to each chamber on each half of the fruit halves. IOW more like an apple, yes. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
On 29/11/07 19:08, in article , "Russel
Sprout" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 29/11/07 18:14, in article , "Russel Sprout" wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... I was given this tonight by someone who lives in Westbury on Trym. She has seen these fruits growing on a bush (not a tree) in a garden and picked two up off the road. They smell very faintly citrusy to me and each seed chamber has two seeds in each side. She's not a gardener so can only tell me that the leaves are leaf shaped, not huge, not leathery and that the fruits are autumnal. http://i16.tinypic.com/7x8rupj.jpg -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' I'd suggest Hodgsonia Macrocarpa, I don't know if there are any coomon names. Probably worth googling it. It's extraordinarily like it but H. macrocarpa is waaaay too big. The Bristol fruits are about the size of a chestnut. What size are the fruits of H. heteroclita, do you happen to know? Or are they the same plant under different names? macrocarpa, as the name suggests is a big variety/species. There are many similar variety/species in the wild that are smaller, only a few are named, pinning this particular plant down would be difficult and probably the province of and expert, not myself. If its heteroclita look out for the flowers next hear, short lived, but absolutly amazing! I'll ask her if she's seen the flowers. I saw them on Google and amazing is right! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
On 29/11/07 21:05, in article , "Granity"
wrote: Sacha;762691 Wrote: In article , Sacha writes: | On 29/11/07 10:48, in article , "Janet | Tweedy" wrote: | | What about posting to the RHS? | | Could do - good idea. I'll also ask her to knock on the door, though and to | take a photo of the whole thing. She describes the bush as looking as if | it's covered in lots of little pumpkins! Critical aspects include whether the bush has thorns, and exactly how the fruit are attached to it (e.g. whether via stems and on what sort of age of wood). Regards, Nick Maclaren. Duly noted and passed on! Thanks everyone. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' could it be the Quince-Israel in this pickie looks sort of similar without the defined ridges. http://tinyurl.com/2fwzzg [/i][/color] I'm afraid not. It looks much too big and it's not ridged in any uniform way. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Fruit and therefore plant ID, please
In article , Sacha writes: | | The seeds are loose in their chamber with no flesh clinging to them and | there seem to be two seeds to each chamber on each half of the fruit halves. | IOW more like an apple, yes. Yes, but what's the outside the the chamber like? Does it have a definite, relatively tough, inner layer or not? And, related to that, how many chambers are there? Robert said that cutting it the other way would help. If there really are only two chambers, each with two seeds, the plot thickens .... Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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