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Ideas please - north facing wall
On 16 Jan, 17:18, echinosum
wrote: A few comments on things that have been said. (6) I've eaten ripe and very tasty berries off Amelanchier (canadensis or lamarcki, they are quite hard to tell apart) bushes growing in a reasonably shady spot in Oxfordshire. These need a fairly moist soil in which to thrive. The birds love them, so they may need netting. Mine is in a sunny dry spot, and doesn't do very well at all, it is inclined to get its leaves scorched off. This amelanchier is also called Juneberry and the berries are lovely, juicy and fat and taste like apples. Mine grows under a very large and old holly and shaded by it along with a photinia fraseri. They are woodland plants and do well in the shade. What about the rosa rugosa I mentioned?! Fat juicy hips, rich in vitamin C and they can be eaten raw! |
Ideas please - north facing wall
"Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Thanks Pat Gardiner I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese Quince has won. Now we have to decide which one and get the correct scientific name of the one we had twenty years ago. Remembering that I'm a bit unreliable over colours, Mrs Pat has reliably informed me it was pink. She has less helpfully told me it was a Japonica. You would expect better from the daughter, granddaughter and niece of gardeners and horticulturalists. Her uncle was the whacky one that appeared on TV dressed as a Mandarin in his Gloucestershire Japanese garden dedicated to his late wife on the arm of her replacement. Not strong on tact! I can add that I think the bush, really a hedge, had quite sharp thorns (is that a false memory) and made especially excellent jelly with a true quince flavour. Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier? I'm not really good on flowers, if you can't eat it I tend to lose interest, but I have no objection to having my food look pretty. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier? The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. Huge scented fruits (the Ludovic one is similar to Vranja too in taste, scent and size). Have a look at this link for lots of cultivars at the bottom of the article along with suppliers (ignore the ones in the States, naturally ...). http://www.agroforestry.co.uk/ansample.html |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat
Gardiner" wrote: "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Thanks Pat Gardiner I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese Quince has won. Japanese quince is Chaenomeles japonica or C. speciosa of which there are many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as they're flowering. Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the differences. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21/1/08 16:11, in article
, " wrote: On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote: Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier? The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. snip Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for. That is Chaenomeles. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote:
On 21/1/08 16:11, in article The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for. That is Chaenomeles. Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused. And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had the room ... |
Ideas please - north facing wall
wrote in message ... On 21 Jan, 15:56, "Pat Gardiner" wrote: Can anyone pin it down to an actual variety? and if you know one a supplier? The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. Huge scented fruits (the Ludovic one is similar to Vranja too in taste, scent and size). Have a look at this link for lots of cultivars at the bottom of the article along with suppliers (ignore the ones in the States, naturally ...). http://www.agroforestry.co.uk/ansample.html No, I know this kind of quince well. They are big like an apple tree, but the flavour is very similar. There are several varieties, I have a couple of Meeches Prolific - and they are prolific. Recommended for East Anglia, clay soil with drainage. Split fruit during droughts I have now identified, the ones we had years ago, pretty certainly as Chaenomeles japonica. It was as bushes under a south facing window. It was pruned very sharply and only one year produced fruit. We shall have to see how it does under a high north facing wall. That fruit made a very good jelly of a very similar flavour to Meeches or Serbian Quinces. That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different species taste so similar. Does anyone know why? -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com |
Ideas please - north facing wall
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat Gardiner" wrote: "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Thanks Pat Gardiner I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese Quince has won. Japanese quince is Chaenomeles japonica or C. speciosa of which there are many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as they're flowering. Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the differences. Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you. -- Regards Pat Gardiner www.go-self-sufficient.com -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Ideas please - north facing wall
wrote in message ... On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote: On 21/1/08 16:11, in article The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for. That is Chaenomeles. Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused. And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had the room ... Our postings are crossing, but if I have got it all right, the Chaenomeles will produce very good edible fruit on a much smaller plant. It was actually the first "quince" I tasted. Now I'm looking forward to comparing the flavour to see the difference. Regards Pat |
Ideas please - north facing wall
In article , "Pat Gardiner" writes: | | I have now identified, the ones we had years ago, pretty certainly as | Chaenomeles japonica. It was as bushes under a south facing window. It was | pruned very sharply and only one year produced fruit. We shall have to see | how it does under a high north facing wall. | | That fruit made a very good jelly of a very similar flavour to Meeches or | Serbian Quinces. | | That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different | species taste so similar. | | Does anyone know why? They're not actually that different? Seriously. They are closer to each other than quinces are to pears, and a LOT close than either are to apples. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21 Jan, 16:59, "Pat Gardiner" wrote:
No, I know this kind of quince well. They are big like an apple tree, but the flavour is very similar. *There are several varieties, I have a couple of Meeches Prolific - and they are prolific. Excellent. I would have been surprised you didn't have one! That is what baffled me. It is unusual for the fruits of totally different species taste so similar. Does anyone know why? No sorry I don't. I have a little chaenomeles japonica - found in a bucket full of water and plasta or glue ...last year (long story). Hasn't fruited but it's looking happy enough with delicate crimson flowers - against the white wall it's beautiful. |
Ideas please - north facing wall
Pat Gardiner wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat Gardiner" wrote: "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Thanks Pat Gardiner I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese Quince has won. Japanese quince is or C. speciosa of which there are many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as they're flowering. Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the differences. Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you. To my mind the chaenomeles japonica fruit is inedible, even after a bout in the pressure cooker and equal amounts of sugar. Every year I collect the fruit with good intentions, and every year I end up dumping it. Mine thrives on a west facing, but quite shady, fence |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21/1/08 16:56, in article
, " wrote: On 21 Jan, 16:46, Sacha wrote: On 21/1/08 16:11, in article The Vranja Quince, (Cydonia oblonga as opposed to the pyrus cydonia) is the most popular in the UK. Cydonia oblonga is not Japanese quince which is what Pat is looking for. That is Chaenomeles. Oh, sorry - but why go for a chaenomeles when you want fruits, food instead of flowers as Pat said!!? That's perhaps why I go confused. And I beg to differ about the quince - I know many people growing them. Maybe people today, commercially that is, don't want it or more like they've never heard of it. Such an amazing food. If only I had the room ... You can use the Japanese quinces to make jelly. Cydonias are lovely but take up a LOT more room. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Ideas please - north facing wall
On 21/1/08 18:26, in article ,
"Stuart Noble" wrote: Pat Gardiner wrote: "Sacha" wrote in message . uk... On 21/1/08 15:56, in article , "Pat Gardiner" wrote: "Pat Gardiner" wrote in message ... After nearly ten years, I'm planting the last wall in the walled garden. You can see the garden on http://www.go-self-sufficient.com/photowalledg.htm You can see the north wall at the far right, the inner side has the peaches apricots, and sweet cherries. The outer north facing surface has been cleared of vegetation and I have planted three damsons (that I know do well on a north wall) and I have two more spaces. My problem is that makes five different damsons and two pairs Morellos and Nabelas already. It there another sharp cherry that would do OK on this wall? Is there any other fruit that might thrive? I'm stumpted. Thanks Pat Gardiner I thought you would like to know that after much discussion a Japanese Quince has won. Japanese quince is or C. speciosa of which there are many named varieties. The best thing might be to Google and see once closest in colour to what you want or better yet, go some nurseries now as they're flowering. Japanese quince is NOT Cydonia which is the 'true' quince with very large fruits, making eventually a large tree. It's a beautiful tree but it is quite rarely seen nowadays whereas Japanese quince or Chaenomeles are seen all over the place. If you Google image search on both you'll see the differences. Yes, well done, that is the one, see reply above as well - thank you. To my mind the chaenomeles japonica fruit is inedible, even after a bout in the pressure cooker and equal amounts of sugar. Every year I collect the fruit with good intentions, and every year I end up dumping it. Mine thrives on a west facing, but quite shady, fence Make jelly, it's lovely. I think they do best on a wall or fence because I think they look a bit untidy and straggly otherwise. Just my view, though. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon (remove weeds from address) 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
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