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Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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'Mike' wrote:
is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! |
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"Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! "Global warming"? Now don't get me going on that one. ANYBODY who thinks that ANYTHING man does on this Earth will effect it, needs their bumps reading. The Earth does its own thing and man will not alter it. All these Government policies and the other cranks who devise schemes to 'Save the Planet' are either trying to divert our attention away from more devious money making schemes or are after Brownie Points. This Earth will be here WELL after we are all gone. No matter what we do. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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Re. global warming and other such, I recommend "The Skeptical
Environmentalist" by Bjorn Lomborg. It is brilliant common sense. One of the things he says is that the cold is getting less cold but the hot is not necessarily getting hotter. If that is impossible, I must have read it wrong. "'Mike'" wrote in message ... "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! "Global warming"? Now don't get me going on that one. ANYBODY who thinks that ANYTHING man does on this Earth will effect it, needs their bumps reading. The Earth does its own thing and man will not alter it. All these Government policies and the other cranks who devise schemes to 'Save the Planet' are either trying to divert our attention away from more devious money making schemes or are after Brownie Points. This Earth will be here WELL after we are all gone. No matter what we do. Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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"Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? |
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In message , Broadback
writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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In message , Plum
writes Re. global warming and other such, I recommend "The Skeptical Environmentalist" by Bjorn Lomborg. It is brilliant common sense. One of the things he says is that the cold is getting less cold but the hot is not necessarily getting hotter. If that is impossible, I must have read it wrong. Climate models predict that increasing greenhouse gas forcing results (in general*) in greater warming at night, during the winter and at high latitudes, which I could suppose could be badly expressed as "the cold is getting less cold but the hot is not necessarily getting hotter". * the interior of East Antarctica is an exception to this rule. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Broadback writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Global Warming? Oh yes, I see, that is why it is blooming cold out there and we have has snow on April 6th :-)) In the past I have seen sunbathers on the beach on April 1st, and no there were no 'playing the fool' Snow in April? Put it down to ""Global Warming"" :-(( Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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In message , BAC
writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Broadback writes
'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! Is that the official UN report or the official UN report according to Nigel Lawson? -- Kay |
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On 6 Apr, 17:52, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:19:45 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. David Hill Abacus Nurseries |
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"Dave Hill" wrote in message ... On 6 Apr, 17:52, Martin wrote: On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:19:45 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. David Hill Abacus Nurseries I forgot about those "Excuses"! I wonder what it will be when "Global Warming" has died its death!! Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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"Dave Hill" wrote in message ... On 6 Apr, 17:52, Martin wrote: On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:19:45 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. Don't forget acid rain, at one point we were all doomed because of that. Also don't forget that all the world's "leader's" aircraft can fly from wherever they are to Bali, but they don't create any greenhouse gases. Neither do cruise missiles, tanks, bombs, warships, jump jets and stealth bombers. It's just your fiesta, so stop it immediately, you hear? Trends, fads, and sticks to beat us with, nothing more. Steve |
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"shazzbat" wrote in message ... "Dave Hill" wrote in message ... On 6 Apr, 17:52, Martin wrote: On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:19:45 +0100, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. Don't forget acid rain, at one point we were all doomed because of that. Also don't forget that all the world's "leader's" aircraft can fly from wherever they are to Bali, but they don't create any greenhouse gases. Neither do cruise missiles, tanks, bombs, warships, jump jets and stealth bombers. It's just your fiesta, so stop it immediately, you hear? Trends, fads, and sticks to beat us with, nothing more. Steve You forgot "2 Two Jag Prescott" ;-) ----- "Do as I say, not as I do"----- Mike |
It is generally accepted that in the Roman period it was warmer in Britain than it is now, then we had the Mediaeval warming period circa 1100 AD. Why would we not expect to have a naturally occurring warming period now?
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On 7/4/08 16:22, in article ,
"Martin" wrote: On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:58:34 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 7/4/08 11:43, in article , "Granity" wrote: snip It is generally accepted that in the Roman period it was warmer in Britain than it is now, then we had the Mediaeval warming period circa 1100 AD. Why would we not expect to have a naturally occurring warming period now? My husband always reminds me that the Romans grew grapes for wine making in the far north! There are some vines that can survive long hard frosts. I have one, that I bought 32 years ago in Germany. It has survived several very cold winters particularly 1978-1979 when the IJsselmeer was frozen hard from December until March. I doubt the Romans had hybridised their vines to that extent, though. However, as the whole issue of climate change seems to involved carbon emissions, the ozone layer and a lot of expert opinion, it can't be dismissed altogether, IMO. There appears to be evidence to back these claims but also IMO, it's being used as a very convenient distraction from other things which are perhaps, more urgent. Health, crime, education and encroaching poverty spring to my mind. Yes. Politicians always believe they can fool the voting public - until they find out they can't. -- Sacha |
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In message , Granity
writes 'Mike';782900 Wrote: "Dave Hill" wrote in One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. David Hill Abacus Nurseries I forgot about those "Excuses"! I wonder what it will be when "Global Warming" has died its death!! Mike . It is generally accepted that in the Roman period it was warmer in Britain than it is now, then we had the Mediaeval warming period circa 1100 AD. Why would we not expect to have a naturally occurring warming period now? We did. It is responsible for about one third of the global temperature rise over the last 50 years. (There's a weak consensus that in the absence of anthropogenic forcings we would now be in a natural cooling trend.) The relevant issue is not whether it was warmer in Britain during the Roman period or the Mediaeval Climate Optimum, but whether it was warmer worldwide. It's generally accepted among climatologists that it was not. I'd also suspect that the general acceptance of it being warmer in Britain in those historical periods has been overtaken by the warming trend of the last 50 years. However, regardless of whether it has been conclusively shown that the current trend has exceeded the historical natural variability, the problem is not so much the past rise - we can live with that - but the future rise. Because of timelags in the system - for example it takes time for the oceans to warm up in response to the increased greenhouse effect - there is a fair bit of warming in the pipeline even if greenhouse gases were immediately stabilised. But greenhouse gas emissions are continuing apace, which means that even more warming can be expected. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Granity writes 'Mike';782900 Wrote: "Dave Hill" wrote in One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. David Hill Abacus Nurseries I forgot about those "Excuses"! I wonder what it will be when "Global Warming" has died its death!! Mike . It is generally accepted that in the Roman period it was warmer in Britain than it is now, then we had the Mediaeval warming period circa 1100 AD. Why would we not expect to have a naturally occurring warming period now? We did. It is responsible for about one third of the global temperature rise over the last 50 years. (There's a weak consensus that in the absence of anthropogenic forcings we would now be in a natural cooling trend.) The relevant issue is not whether it was warmer in Britain during the Roman period or the Mediaeval Climate Optimum, but whether it was warmer worldwide. It's generally accepted among climatologists that it was not. I'd also suspect that the general acceptance of it being warmer in Britain in those historical periods has been overtaken by the warming trend of the last 50 years. However, regardless of whether it has been conclusively shown that the current trend has exceeded the historical natural variability, the problem is not so much the past rise - we can live with that - but the future rise. Because of timelags in the system - for example it takes time for the oceans to warm up in response to the increased greenhouse effect - there is a fair bit of warming in the pipeline even if greenhouse gases were immediately stabilised. But greenhouse gas emissions are continuing apace, which means that even more warming can be expected. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley and you think 'man' is responsible? Stewart, I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no ...... Father Christmas Tooth Fairy Loch Ness Monster etc etc etc For crying out loud man, "Global Warming" is the latest fad, rather like the Hoola Hoop and Rubik Cube were a few years ago Mike. Living in the real world -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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On 7 Apr, 17:23, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in ... In message , Granity writes 'Mike';782900 Wrote: "Dave Hill" wrote in One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. One shouldn't confuse weather with climate. -- Martin But...........in the UK we dont have climate just weather. I remember when I was young the strange weather was blamed on the Atom bomb, then neucular tests, then the rockets punching holes in the ozone layer. David Hill Abacus Nurseries I forgot about those "Excuses"! I wonder what it will be when "Global Warming" has died its death!! Mike . It is generally accepted that in the Roman period it was warmer in Britain than it is now, then we had the Mediaeval warming period circa 1100 AD. Why would we not expect to have a naturally occurring warming period now? We did. It is responsible for about one third of the global temperature rise over the last 50 years. (There's a weak consensus that in the absence of anthropogenic forcings we would now be in a natural cooling trend.) The relevant issue is not whether it was warmer in Britain during the Roman period or the Mediaeval Climate Optimum, but whether it was warmer worldwide. It's generally accepted among climatologists that it was not. I'd also suspect that the general acceptance of it being warmer in Britain in those historical periods has been overtaken by the warming trend of the last 50 years. However, regardless of whether it has been conclusively shown that the current trend has exceeded the historical natural variability, the problem is not so much the past rise - we can live with that - but the future rise. Because of timelags in the system - for example it takes time for the oceans to warm up in response to the increased greenhouse effect - there is a fair bit of warming in the pipeline even if greenhouse gases were immediately stabilised. But greenhouse gas emissions are continuing apace, which means that even more warming can be expected. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley and you think 'man' is responsible? Stewart, I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no ...... Father Christmas Tooth Fairy Loch Ness Monster etc etc etc For crying out loud man, "Global �Warming" is the latest fad, rather like the Hoola Hoop and Rubik Cube were a few years ago Mike. Living in the real world --www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Are you sure that the Loch Ness monster hasn't died out because of global warming? As for the Romans growing grapes to make wine in the North of England, it could be that it wasn't a change of temp. that stoped this practice, just more Ale and beer being drunk and peoples taste for wine becoming more refined so that the old varieties died out It's much easier to grow grain and brew a drink from it, than to grow vines and to make wine. Though the monastries grew vines for wine making till the disalution of the monastries. David Hill Abacus Nurseries |
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In message , 'Mike'
writes and you think 'man' is responsible? Stewart, I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no ...... Father Christmas Tooth Fairy Loch Ness Monster etc etc etc Global warming is hardly my bubble - it would be nice if we could dismiss anthropogenic causes of global warming, as we could then reasonably expect the trend to reverse, but the general outline of increased greenhouse gases (CO2 up 30%, CH4 and NO2 also up, CFCs up greatly, as they were essentially absent before we interfered) resulting in increased temperatures is fairly basic physics. Whether you like it or not relativity is a fact evolution is a fact (and you are descended from an ape) the earth is 4.5 billion years old anthropogenic global warming is a fact etc etc etc For crying out loud man, "Global Warming" is the latest fad, rather like the Hoola Hoop and Rubik Cube were a few years ago Mike. Living in the real world Someone who thinks Kleeneze distributorships are good ideas, never mind denies basic physics, is hardly living in the real world. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
Mike. Living in the real world Someone who thinks Kleeneze distributorships are good ideas, never mind denies basic physics, is hardly living in the real world. Yup, that's our Uncle Albert, bless him :-) Jeff |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. |
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"BAC" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. except for those gullible enough to accept it and believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster etc :-((( Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. except for those gullible enough to accept it and believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster etc :-((( Mike Gullible? Ha! Next thing I know, you'll be telling me Alan Titchmarsh is the sheriff of the IoW. Steve |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. except for those gullible enough to accept it and believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster etc :-((( Mike Gullible? Ha! Next thing I know, you'll be telling me Alan Titchmarsh is the sheriff of the IoW. Steve |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. except for those gullible enough to accept it and believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster etc :-((( Gullible? Ha! Next thing I know, you'll be telling me Alan Titchmarsh is the sheriff of the IoW. Steve |
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In message , 'Mike'
writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Broadback writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Global Warming? Oh yes, I see, that is why it is blooming cold out there and we have has snow on April 6th :-)) In the past I have seen sunbathers on the beach on April 1st, and no there were no 'playing the fool' Snow in April? Put it down to ""Global Warming"" :-(( Mike If you want to be taken seriously, try an honest argument, rather than trying to confuse local weather with global climate. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"'Mike'" wrote in message ... "BAC" wrote in message ... "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , BAC writes "Broadback" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! How can that be, if there is a direct link between greenhouse gas emissions and climate change, as we have been assured by panels of scientists and politicians? Global anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions have been increasing sharply, recently, mainly due to the understandable (who wants to live in the stone age?) rate of modernisation of developing world economies, and the growth in the world population. Shouldn't that mean a noticeable increase in mean temperatures should be evident? I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or not, or in which direction you be being sarcastic. To claim that there has been no warming this century requires ignoring the existence of weather (in the form of interannual variability) and taking advantage that there have only been 7 complete years in the century (so that the trend does not overwhelm the noise). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg One shouldn't draw conclusions on the occurrence of an April snowfall this year (they used to be more common) any more than one should draw conclusions from April last year shattering the CET temperature records. One would be more justified in drawing conclusions from the frequency of April snowfalls, but even then it is wiser to take all the evidence into account, rather than a single surrogate. I was indeed being sarcastic - even though I can tell my Ninas from my Ninos - because, it seems to me, 'climate change' hysteria is being cynically exploited to hike up energy costs to the consumer, with no realistic prospect of the measures adopted having any real effect on the phenomenon. except for those gullible enough to accept it and believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Loch Ness Monster etc :-((( Gullible? Me? Next thing we know, you'll be expecting us to believe that Alan Titchmarsh is the sheriff of IoW. Steve |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , 'Mike' writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Broadback writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Global Warming? Oh yes, I see, that is why it is blooming cold out there and we have has snow on April 6th :-)) In the past I have seen sunbathers on the beach on April 1st, and no there were no 'playing the fool' Snow in April? Put it down to ""Global Warming"" :-(( Mike If you want to be taken seriously, try an honest argument, rather than trying to confuse local weather with global climate. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley The Sun will burn up the Earth. Nothing to do with global warming. Live with it. Read all about it here http://www.sussex.ac.uk/press_office...media672.shtml Why should I believe your 'Tooth Fairy' story when there is that one around? One for you. "Who or what is God?" Kindest possible regards Mike Living in the real world and not mumbo jumbo land :-) -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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In message , 'Mike'
writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , 'Mike' writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Broadback writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Global Warming? Oh yes, I see, that is why it is blooming cold out there and we have has snow on April 6th :-)) In the past I have seen sunbathers on the beach on April 1st, and no there were no 'playing the fool' Snow in April? Put it down to ""Global Warming"" :-(( Mike If you want to be taken seriously, try an honest argument, rather than trying to confuse local weather with global climate. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley The Sun will burn up the Earth. Nothing to do with global warming. Live with it. Read all about it here http://www.sussex.ac.uk/press_office...media672.shtml Why should I believe your 'Tooth Fairy' story when there is that one around? Why on earth would you think bringing up that red herring is going to fool anyone? But you are making yourself look more like a generalised science denier when you add astrophysics to climatalogy. One for you. "Who or what is God?" I don't see the relevance, except that it is belief in God that leads some people to deny anthropogenic global warming - they conclude from their belief that God made the universe for their benefit that he will prevent humanity from wrecking its environment. I hope you're not trying to claim that acceptance of the factuality of anthropogenic global warming is atheistic. Kindest possible regards I don't believe you. Mike Living in the real world and not mumbo jumbo land :-) Someone who brings up a process operating on a billion year timescale as a red herring to dismiss a process operating on a hundred year timescale is clearly living in some approximation to mumbo jumbo land. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , 'Mike' writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , 'Mike' writes "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Broadback writes 'Mike' wrote: is trying to become the Isle of White Snowing and settling on the gardens but not on the paths, ............. yet First we have seen for years. Mike Here in North Staffordshire (low ground) we have the most snow for several years, a good covering. Stick to the trees and bushes, sun shining looks like fairy land, so much for global warming. Talking of which there has been no global warming at all this century, and none is expected for a number of years, that is the official UN report! The claim that "global warming has stopped" is based on 1998 being way above the trend line (strong El Nino), but even so it's not clear whether 1998 or 2005 was the warmest year on record. 7 of the 8 warmest years on record were in this century, not to mention last year's unprecedented retreat of the Arctic sea ice. Claims that "global warming has stopped" requires ignoring the existence of interannual variability modifying the secular trend. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:I...ure_Record.svg 2008 is expected to be cooler than recent years (but quite possibly still among the 10 warmest years on record), due to a strong La Nina. As for the claim of an official UN report saying no warming is expected for a number of years I would like a citation. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Global Warming? Oh yes, I see, that is why it is blooming cold out there and we have has snow on April 6th :-)) In the past I have seen sunbathers on the beach on April 1st, and no there were no 'playing the fool' Snow in April? Put it down to ""Global Warming"" :-(( Mike If you want to be taken seriously, try an honest argument, rather than trying to confuse local weather with global climate. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley The Sun will burn up the Earth. Nothing to do with global warming. Live with it. Read all about it here http://www.sussex.ac.uk/press_office...media672.shtml Why should I believe your 'Tooth Fairy' story when there is that one around? Why on earth would you think bringing up that red herring is going to fool anyone? But you are making yourself look more like a generalised science denier when you add astrophysics to climatalogy. One for you. "Who or what is God?" I don't see the relevance, except that it is belief in God that leads some people to deny anthropogenic global warming - they conclude from their belief that God made the universe for their benefit that he will prevent humanity from wrecking its environment. I hope you're not trying to claim that acceptance of the factuality of anthropogenic global warming is atheistic. Kindest possible regards I don't believe you. Mike Living in the real world and not mumbo jumbo land :-) Someone who brings up a process operating on a billion year timescale as a red herring to dismiss a process operating on a hundred year timescale is clearly living in some approximation to mumbo jumbo land. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Stewart, I have to say I am beginning to feel sorry for you. What a sad life you lead :-( Doom doom doom all the time. Go and grab a life and enjoy yourself for crying out loud. "THIS" is life, not a practice run you know Mike -- www.rneba.org.uk. The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association. 'THE' Association to find your ex-Greenie mess mates. |
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