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Davy[_2_] 20-05-2008 02:34 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?

Davy

Mary Fisher 20-05-2008 03:47 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 

"Davy" wrote in message
. 109.145...
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?

Davy


What you have sounds like what you wanted. Bluebell leaves aren't round
section at any stage in my experience.

Mary



Martin Brown 20-05-2008 03:57 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Davy wrote:
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?


ISTR the very first seed leaf is round like chives, but the true leaves
quickly follow and it soon looks like a scale model of the adult. Quite
a lot of monocots look like this as a seedling so it isn't distinctive.

A picture would resolve any ambiguities. If the leaves all come from the
ground then I'd say it was probably a bluebell. If they are in rosettes
around a central stem then I have not idea what it is.

Regards,
Martin Brown
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Mogga 20-05-2008 04:46 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:34:48 -0500, Davy
wrote:

Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?

Davy


Sounds about right.

We have spanish bluebells and they grow absolutely everywhere. I've
been digging them up and taking them in sacks to the neighbours. They
don't die if you compost them. (Or leave them in plastic bags)
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Rusty Hinge 2 20-05-2008 07:42 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
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from Davy contains these words:

Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.


The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.


Mine looked more like wild garlic leaves - ie, flat. Beginning with one
leaf, then another. However, don't expect flowers too soon - they are
likely to appear several years after sowing.

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Rusty Hinge 2 20-05-2008 07:44 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
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I've got a packet of bluebell seeds that I bought in March. Other then
what is
recommended on the packet, is there any reason why I have to wait
until autumn
to sow them?


The only reason I can think of is that they might get eaten by
something. In the wild, they ripen and fall in early summer IIRC.

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beccabunga 21-05-2008 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin[_2_] (Post 793266)
On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:57:27 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote:

Davy wrote:
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?


ISTR the very first seed leaf is round like chives, but the true leaves
quickly follow and it soon looks like a scale model of the adult. Quite
a lot of monocots look like this as a seedling so it isn't distinctive.

A picture would resolve any ambiguities. If the leaves all come from the
ground then I'd say it was probably a bluebell. If they are in rosettes
around a central stem then I have not idea what it is.


I've got a packet of bluebell seeds that I bought in March. Other then what is
recommended on the packet, is there any reason why I have to wait until autumn
to sow them?
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Martin

Since the bluebells are coming into seed now and presumably would die back to the ground in early June, spreading their seed then, I can't see why you cannot sow them at that time.

Davy[_2_] 21-05-2008 11:11 AM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Rusty Hinge 2 wrote in

Mine looked more like wild garlic leaves - ie, flat.

Beginning with one
leaf, then another. However, don't expect flowers too

soon - they are
likely to appear several years after sowing.

I googled wild garlic photo and found that wild garlic
have largish flat wide leaves each held on a stalk. That
certainly does not describe what I have. My leaves are
narrow grasslike and without stalks. So I wonder what I
have got?
Davy

Davy[_2_] 21-05-2008 11:17 AM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Martin wrote in
:
If the leaves all come from
the ground then I'd say it was probably a bluebell. If

they are in
rosettes around a central stem then I have not idea what

it is.

The leaves don't come from the ground - more grass-like -
narrow unstalked leaves arranged around a very short
central stem - fountain-like. I must try to get a photo.

I've got a packet of bluebell seeds that I bought in

March. Other then
what is recommended on the packet, is there any reason

why I have to
wait until autumn to sow them?


Bluebell seeds need to be stratified - ie exposed to
frost. So if planted now they would be dormant until a
winter frost wakes them up and would probably sprout next
spring. But you might lose a lot in the meantime.
Some people cheat by putting the seeds in the fridge for a
weak.
Davy


Davy[_2_] 21-05-2008 01:53 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Martin wrote in
:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/90388643

@N00/447229129/in/set-721576000495

Ah yes I know what bluebell leaves look like but I am
trying to identify bluebell seedlings - my book says they
don't resemble mature bluebells.
Davy

Davy[_2_] 21-05-2008 03:46 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Right,

I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here

http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm

thanks

Davy


Judith in France 21-05-2008 04:27 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 20, 2:34 pm, Davy wrote:
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?

Davy


They look exactly like grass that has just germinated from seed and
can easily be mistaken for weeds, they are very fine. I was sent a
packet of bluebell seeds saved from their own plants and I almost
weedkilled them until I remember that the person who sent them to me
had warned me not to mistake them for weeds. Was it Janet Tweedy or
Susie who sent them to me? Apologies for not remembering :-)

Judith

Mary Fisher 21-05-2008 04:46 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 

"Davy" wrote in message
. 109.145...
Right,

I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here

http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm

thanks

Davy


They look exactly like bluebell leaves to me!

Mary




Judith in France 21-05-2008 05:09 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 21, 4:46 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Davy" wrote in message

. 109.145...

Right,


I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here


http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm


thanks


Davy


They look exactly like bluebell leaves to me!

Mary



They certainly look like Bluebell leaves Mary but NOT like how they
look when they have just germinated from seed, these look at least 2-3
years old. When the seed germinates they look EXACTLY like a grass
shoot. I'm intrigued now as to what they really are.

Judith

Sacha[_3_] 21-05-2008 05:37 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On 21/5/08 15:46, in article
45, "Davy"
wrote:

Right,

I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here

http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm

thanks

Davy

I think they look a bit like Hemerocallis or something in that line.

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children.'



Davy[_2_] 21-05-2008 05:52 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Judith in France wrote in
news:d13acc06-f04f-40cd-8af0-6700f8ae89d8
@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

When the seed germinates they look EXACTLY like a grass
shoot. I'm intrigued now as to what they really are.

Judith,
thats my understanding from my book; the seedlings are
supposed to look like chives - i.e thin round shoots just
like newly-sprouted grass.

I think I will need to let them grow out and see what I
get. The more I look at them the more they look like
leaks to me!

Davy


Rusty Hinge 2 21-05-2008 08:08 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message . 145
from Davy contains these words:
Rusty Hinge 2 wrote in

Mine looked more like wild garlic leaves - ie, flat.

Beginning with one
leaf, then another. However, don't expect flowers too

soon - they are
likely to appear several years after sowing.

I googled wild garlic photo and found that wild garlic
have largish flat wide leaves each held on a stalk. That
certainly does not describe what I have. My leaves are
narrow grasslike and without stalks. So I wonder what I
have got?


I was talking about the first growth of wild garlic, not the mature
plant's leaves.

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Rusty Hinge 2 21-05-2008 08:11 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message . 145
from Davy contains these words:
Right,


I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here


http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm


thanks


It's a grass.

I've some of it, but I don't know what it's called. Certainly not a bluebell.

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Rusty Hinge 2 21-05-2008 08:14 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message
from Judith in France contains these words:
On May 21, 4:46 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Davy" wrote in message
. 109.145...

Right,


I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here


http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm


thanks


Davy


They look exactly like bluebell leaves to me!

Mary



They certainly look like Bluebell leaves Mary but NOT like how they
look when they have just germinated from seed, these look at least 2-3
years old. When the seed germinates they look EXACTLY like a grass
shoot. I'm intrigued now as to what they really are.


Nothing like bluebells: bluebell leaves don't grow from a stem like
that, they all come from the ground in a sheaf and on breaking out,
separate in a concentric bunch.

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Rusty Hinge 2 21-05-2008 08:33 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message . 145
from Davy contains these words:
Judith in France wrote in
news:d13acc06-f04f-40cd-8af0-6700f8ae89d8
@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:


When the seed germinates they look EXACTLY like a grass
shoot. I'm intrigued now as to what they really are.

Judith,
thats my understanding from my book; the seedlings are
supposed to look like chives - i.e thin round shoots just
like newly-sprouted grass.


I think I will need to let them grow out and see what I
get. The more I look at them the more they look like
leaks to me!


pics of non-scripta seedlings up on my wibble - just went outside and
photographed them.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/non-scripta1.jpg

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Judith in France 21-05-2008 11:48 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 21, 8:14 pm, Rusty Hinge 2
wrote:
The message
from Judith in France contains these words:



On May 21, 4:46 pm, "Mary Fisher" wrote:
"Davy" wrote in message
.109.145...


Right,


I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here


http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm


thanks


Davy


They look exactly like bluebell leaves to me!


Mary


They certainly look like Bluebell leaves Mary but NOT like how they
look when they have just germinated from seed, these look at least 2-3
years old. When the seed germinates they look EXACTLY like a grass
shoot. I'm intrigued now as to what they really are.


Nothing like bluebells: bluebell leaves don't grow from a stem like
that, they all come from the ground in a sheaf and on breaking out,
separate in a concentric bunch.

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I bow to your expertise Rusty, I just know that someone on group sent
me an envelope of seeds and they looked exactly like grass. This year
my bluebells in France have flowered well and I am going to save the
seed, advice on growing on would be helpful. I don't want to put them
straight into the earth as I did in England - is there another method
that you could recommend?

Judith

Ariadne 22-05-2008 12:40 AM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 21, 3:46*pm, Davy wrote:
Right,

I have managed to photograph the seedlings; you can see
them here

http://www.users.callnetuk.com/~davystokes/misc.htm

thanks

Davy


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Davy[_2_] 22-05-2008 08:24 AM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Rusty Hinge 2 wrote in
pics of non-scripta seedlings up on my wibble - just

went outside and
photographed them.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/non-scripta1.jpg


Rusty, thanks for the picture - I think that settles it; I
don't have bluebells. They are either grass or leaks.

But I am a bit confused by the centre bluebell in your
photo - my bluebells don't have prickly leaves :-)

Davy

JennyC 22-05-2008 08:10 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 

"Davy" wrote in message
. 109.145...
Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?
Davy


http://www.bluebellseeds.com/plant.htm
Look at the bottom of the page :~)
Jenny



Davy[_2_] 22-05-2008 09:29 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
"JennyC" wrote in
:

http://www.bluebellseeds.com/plant.htm


Jenny,
excellent photos; that sorts it - mine are not bluebells.
Some ******* has sold me leak seeds masquerading as
bluebell seeds!!!
thanks
Davy

Rusty Hinge 2 22-05-2008 09:55 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message

from Judith in France contains these words:

I bow to your expertise Rusty, I just know that someone on group sent
me an envelope of seeds and they looked exactly like grass. This year
my bluebells in France have flowered well and I am going to save the
seed, advice on growing on would be helpful. I don't want to put them
straight into the earth as I did in England - is there another method
that you could recommend?


I put them in flowerpots, and kept them watered with the rest, and lo!
They appeared the following spring.

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Rusty Hinge 2 22-05-2008 09:58 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message . 145
from Davy contains these words:
Rusty Hinge 2 wrote in
pics of non-scripta seedlings up on my wibble - just

went outside and
photographed them.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/non-scripta1.jpg


Rusty, thanks for the picture - I think that settles it; I
don't have bluebells. They are either grass or leaks.


It's a grass, of sorts. I have a big one of those (Oo-er, missus!) in a
pot. I *THINK* it's a houseplant, but I don't know its name. I have a
neighbour who's into houseplants, so I'll ask her.

It isn't a leek.

But I am a bit confused by the centre bluebell in your
photo - my bluebells don't have prickly leaves :-)


Ah, that is a Christmas Bluebell.

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Judith in France 22-05-2008 10:12 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 22, 9:55 pm, Rusty Hinge 2
wrote:
The message

from Judith in France contains these words:

I bow to your expertise Rusty, I just know that someone on group sent
me an envelope of seeds and they looked exactly like grass. This year
my bluebells in France have flowered well and I am going to save the
seed, advice on growing on would be helpful. I don't want to put them
straight into the earth as I did in England - is there another method
that you could recommend?


I put them in flowerpots, and kept them watered with the rest, and lo!
They appeared the following spring.

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Then I will copy the Rusty method :-)

Judith

Judith in France 22-05-2008 10:13 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
On May 22, 9:29 pm, Davy wrote:
"JennyC" wrote :

http://www.bluebellseeds.com/plant.htm


Jenny,
excellent photos; that sorts it - mine are not bluebells.
Some ******* has sold me leak seeds masquerading as
bluebell seeds!!!
thanks
Davy


LOL Leeks are nice look after them and you can make some good soup
with just a couple of potatoes :-)

Judith

Rusty Hinge 2 22-05-2008 10:39 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message

from Judith in France contains these words:

LOL Leeks are nice look after them and you can make some good soup
with just a couple of potatoes :-)


Potato soup is naff - you need some leeks with them...

D&RFC

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Davy[_2_] 23-05-2008 03:26 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Davy wrote in
. 109.145:

Last autumn I sowed some british bluebell seeds and now
something has come up and I don't know if they are
bluebells.

The seedlings I see have grass-like leaves erupting
fountain-like from a central stem. I book I have says

the
seedlings look like chives - which I understand to mean
have individual round stems.

Can anyone help?

Davy


I think I have sussed this. I am pretty sure the plants
are pendulous sedge. We have many large pendulous sedge
plants with drop a lot of seed and some of this must have
gone into the leaves which I then used to make leafmould
to make seedling compost!

thanks everyone

Davy

Rusty Hinge 2 23-05-2008 07:20 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Davy - do you have a pet bird, or do you feed the birds?

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Rusty Hinge 2 23-05-2008 07:47 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
The message . 145
from Davy contains these words:

I think I have sussed this. I am pretty sure the plants
are pendulous sedge. We have many large pendulous sedge
plants with drop a lot of seed and some of this must have
gone into the leaves which I then used to make leafmould
to make seedling compost!


I have loads of similar plants under the bird feeder - using-up seed
after the cockatiel turned-up its toes. I'm pretty sure it will be
something of that ilk.

Shortly, I'll post a photo of a grown-up plant, with seed-head.

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Rusty Hinge 2 23-05-2008 09:03 PM

What do bluebell seedlings look like?
 
Grown-up seedling:

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hi-fi/grass_001.jpg - 141 KB

Better detail, but you'll need broadbeans -

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