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Gardeners World presenter?
On 30/5/08 11:25, in article net, "Kate
Morgan" wrote: Absolutely NOT Gay Search! I never saw her do anything more than snip a few things with secateurs and her voice drives me up the wall. Phew, sorry! So Roy it is. :o) Roy? My vote would go to someone like Timothy Walker but I doubt he would be interested -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall Well whoever get the job I don't suppose he/she will be universally liked but it makes an amusing thread. We could have Kim Wilde and she could sing us a song or two and she does not seem to be so up herself like some of the others :-) kate I suppose it's a question of finding someone with some design abilities but mainly with real plant knowledge. But that's just my view. As you say, everyone will have a pov on whoever get the job! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Gardeners World presenter?
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says... On 30/5/08 11:25, in article net, "Kate Morgan" wrote: Absolutely NOT Gay Search! I never saw her do anything more than snip a few things with secateurs and her voice drives me up the wall. Phew, sorry! So Roy it is. :o) Roy? My vote would go to someone like Timothy Walker but I doubt he would be interested -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall Well whoever get the job I don't suppose he/she will be universally liked but it makes an amusing thread. We could have Kim Wilde and she could sing us a song or two and she does not seem to be so up herself like some of the others :-) kate I suppose it's a question of finding someone with some design abilities but mainly with real plant knowledge. But that's just my view. As you say, everyone will have a pov on whoever get the job! It the main problem with a 30 min one size fits all program, There really should be a beginners slot with lots of ideas, an alotment/veg gardening half hour and something on actual gardens. you can't begin to please everyone in 30 mins, I liked geoff Hamilton but quickly tired of being shown how to plant a tree!! With all the channels they now have you would have thought it doable -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
Gardeners World presenter?
On 30/5/08 12:54, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... On 30/5/08 11:25, in article net, "Kate Morgan" wrote: Absolutely NOT Gay Search! I never saw her do anything more than snip a few things with secateurs and her voice drives me up the wall. Phew, sorry! So Roy it is. :o) Roy? My vote would go to someone like Timothy Walker but I doubt he would be interested -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall Well whoever get the job I don't suppose he/she will be universally liked but it makes an amusing thread. We could have Kim Wilde and she could sing us a song or two and she does not seem to be so up herself like some of the others :-) kate I suppose it's a question of finding someone with some design abilities but mainly with real plant knowledge. But that's just my view. As you say, everyone will have a pov on whoever get the job! It the main problem with a 30 min one size fits all program, There really should be a beginners slot with lots of ideas, an alotment/veg gardening half hour and something on actual gardens. you can't begin to please everyone in 30 mins, I liked geoff Hamilton but quickly tired of being shown how to plant a tree!! With all the channels they now have you would have thought it doable If they're clever, they will have a beginner's programme for those wishing to grow their own food. Sales of veg. Seeds have soared in the last few years and now outstrip sales of flower seeds. Something that teaches the newbie right from scratch, with or without a greenhouse etc., would probably go very well if it was put on at a time when young people are home from work and can watch it. And it should be seasonal too, IMO, as in "it's March and these are the seeds that should be going in now and in two weeks time you'll be doing x, y and z". -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Gardeners World presenter?
Charlie Pridham wrote:
It the main problem with a 30 min one size fits all program, There really should be a beginners slot with lots of ideas, an alotment/veg gardening half hour and something on actual gardens. you can't begin to please everyone in 30 mins, I liked geoff Hamilton but quickly tired of being shown how to plant a tree!! With all the channels they now have you would have thought it doable But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). |
Gardeners World presenter?
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Gardeners World presenter?
On 30/5/08 16:06, in article ,
"Amethyst Deceiver" wrote: In article , says... If they're clever, they will have a beginner's programme for those wishing to grow their own food. Sales of veg. Seeds have soared in the last few years and now outstrip sales of flower seeds. Something that teaches the newbie right from scratch, with or without a greenhouse etc., would probably go very well if it was put on at a time when young people are home from work and can watch it. And it should be seasonal too, IMO, as in "it's March and these are the seeds that should be going in now and in two weeks time you'll be doing x, y and z". Young people? Depends on your definition of 'young', I suppose, but most of the people I know who are getting into growing their own veg are in their 30s and 40s, mostly 40s. I consider 'young' to be 20s. I'm 62 . My oldest child is 32. Thirties are young to me, especially where gardening is concerned. A lot of 'young' don't get involved while they're into child-rearing etc. Happily, that's changing as regard the 30s and upwards. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Gardeners World presenter?
On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:22 +0100, stuart noble wrote:
But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). Hasn't most of the discussion about this being saying that a "celebrity" is the last person wanted or needed to front the show. What is needed is some one vaguely presentable and who can talk knowledgeably and articulately about their favorite subject whilst getting their hands dirty. Sacha has some good programme ideas. You could probably cycle round 4 basic genres in a month. 1st week small urban family garden, 2nd week growing food be that garden or allotment, 3rd week "fashion" gardening, 4th week visit a big "country house" garden/estate. Trouble is without the same formula every week you'd loose viewers as they'd "never know what was going to be on". But why limit this to traditional broadcast? Produce it and pop it on a subscription website as a streaming download or sell a DVD. Take an advert in BBC Gardeners World magazine to publicise it... That may even be a better approach as you could target your 4 productions to your audience better. -- Cheers Dave. |
Gardeners World presenter?
On 2008-05-30 02:10:38 +0100, Janet Tweedy said:
I say vote for Mr Smith! Mr Smith is 80 this year so unlikely to be on anyone else's shortlist. I love his voice though - and most of my favourite presenters have had distinctive and compelling voices. Very few (none, to be precise) of the current crop match up on that score. FWIW, I'm told that the front-runner for the job is the RHS's Matthew Wilson, pictured he http://www.thebookpeople.co.uk/webap...0051_100_94728 But if popularity with the public wins the day, the unlikely winner is Kim Wilde, according to the Gardens Illustrated poll at http://www.gardensillustrated.com/vo...?item_ID=25411 The question asked was 'Who is your favourite gardening presenter?' -- but the Kim Wilde vote makes me suspicious. |
Gardeners World presenter?
In article , Sacha
writes What about Gay Search? Or the one that lives up in Lincolnshire, genial tall bloke but can't remember his name. I say vote for Mr Smith! Absolutely NOT Gay Search! I never saw her do anything more than snip a few things with secateurs and her voice drives me up the wall. Phew, sorry! Oh that's okay , i was just throwing names into the pot :) think the man from Lincolnshire was Nigel Colborn? -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners World presenter?
In article , Charlie
Pridham writes My vote would go to someone like Timothy Walker but I doubt he would be interested Ah but would he like vegetable growing and we would have an awful lot of euphorbia trials! -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners World presenter?
In message et, Dave
Liquorice wrote On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:22 +0100, stuart noble wrote: But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). Hasn't most of the discussion about this being saying that a "celebrity" is the last person wanted or needed to front the show. A celebrity is exactly the right kind of person for the show. You only have to listen to a gardening show on the radio to see that the 'experts' rarely agree on anything so having a show presented by one of these would be biased towards one point of view. Having someone who knows little about gardening means that you will get a program with many 'guests' and with the presenter asking the kind of searching questions that the average punter would ask such as: "Why does every garden centre only have plants that are in flower when they should have plants that reach their peak when the customer has planted them at home"? -- Alan news2006 {at} amac {dot} f2s {dot} com |
Gardeners World presenter?
On 31/5/08 06:57, in article , "Alan"
wrote: In message et, Dave Liquorice wrote On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:22 +0100, stuart noble wrote: But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). Hasn't most of the discussion about this being saying that a "celebrity" is the last person wanted or needed to front the show. A celebrity is exactly the right kind of person for the show. You only have to listen to a gardening show on the radio to see that the 'experts' rarely agree on anything so having a show presented by one of these would be biased towards one point of view. Having someone who knows little about gardening means that you will get a program with many 'guests' and with the presenter asking the kind of searching questions that the average punter would ask such as: "Why does every garden centre only have plants that are in flower when they should have plants that reach their peak when the customer has planted them at home"? Don't go to garden centres if that's what you want, go to nurseries. Garden centres *rely* on plants coming in at their peak and going out almost immediately. They are, virtually, plant supermarkets and they don't want a lot of stock lying around because that means they need staff who know how to tend it. We know from experience that some gcs throw out stuff that they have had in at its peak but which hasn't sold. There's nothing wrong with it but they either know it won't sell or they want the space. A large amount of money is wasted that way and in the end, the customer pays for it. It is a certain fact that if customers see something in flower they're much more likely to buy it. The more knowledgeable gardener is aware that you can buy something in March and wait for it to flower in June. Others, perhaps gulled by the makeover 'instant' gardening programmes, want to take home an azalea in flower. Last summer, one of the staff brought a trolley load of Penstemons down from the 'storage' area that isn't open to the public. She intended to put them out on display but because they were coming into flower, people were literally snatching them off the trolley. That happened twice within 20 minutes and they never did make it to their intended display. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
Gardeners World presenter?
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says... On 31/5/08 06:57, in article , "Alan" wrote: In message et, Dave Liquorice wrote On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:22 +0100, stuart noble wrote: But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). Hasn't most of the discussion about this being saying that a "celebrity" is the last person wanted or needed to front the show. A celebrity is exactly the right kind of person for the show. You only have to listen to a gardening show on the radio to see that the 'experts' rarely agree on anything so having a show presented by one of these would be biased towards one point of view. Having someone who knows little about gardening means that you will get a program with many 'guests' and with the presenter asking the kind of searching questions that the average punter would ask such as: "Why does every garden centre only have plants that are in flower when they should have plants that reach their peak when the customer has planted them at home"? Don't go to garden centres if that's what you want, go to nurseries. Garden centres *rely* on plants coming in at their peak and going out almost immediately. They are, virtually, plant supermarkets and they don't want a lot of stock lying around because that means they need staff who know how to tend it. We know from experience that some gcs throw out stuff that they have had in at its peak but which hasn't sold. There's nothing wrong with it but they either know it won't sell or they want the space. A large amount of money is wasted that way and in the end, the customer pays for it. It is a certain fact that if customers see something in flower they're much more likely to buy it. The more knowledgeable gardener is aware that you can buy something in March and wait for it to flower in June. Others, perhaps gulled by the makeover 'instant' gardening programmes, want to take home an azalea in flower. Last summer, one of the staff brought a trolley load of Penstemons down from the 'storage' area that isn't open to the public. She intended to put them out on display but because they were coming into flower, people were literally snatching them off the trolley. That happened twice within 20 minutes and they never did make it to their intended display. And don't blame the garden centres or nurseries for offering plants in flower, you try standing all day at a plant sale not selling you plants which are green and watching a stream of customers carrying off inflower foxgloves and see how long it takes you to figure that people want stuff with flower on :~) Last weekend I took along a display plant in full flower with a tray of for sale plants of the same thing, everyone wanted the big plant in flower dispite being told that it would wilt and die if not kept watered in its pot and if they planted it they would need to cut it off to get it to establish. They want flowers and have so little patience (or maybe its confidence in their ability)they want them now! We now have to rope off the young plants to stop people buying them as they come into flower, they will spurn the 3 year old cut back ready to go plants in favour of just gone in the pot single stem jobs - but the have a single flower at the top of the stem. Yet I have to admit when going around other peoples gardens although not all to my taste they appear perfectly normal! so are the customers as daft as we think? they seem to get away with buying badly and obviously enjoy their gardens. -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
Gardeners World presenter?
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 13:43:22 +0100, stuart noble wrote: But it would cost too much (mainly because of the celebrity's salary demands probably). Hasn't most of the discussion about this being saying that a "celebrity" is the last person wanted or needed to front the show. What is needed is some one vaguely presentable and who can talk knowledgeably and articulately about their favorite subject whilst getting their hands dirty. But, as soon as you appear on the tele more than once, you become a celeb, whether you like it or not. People come up to you in the supermarket or punch you in night clubs. So you have to move to a gated community with the other celebs, and must be paid accordingly. You can't win! |
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