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New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We
found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars CONTINUES......http://www.gardenandgreen.co.uk/#/hebeplants/4529038214 |
New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
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says... In message , writes Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars By more recent botanical opinion a Hebe is a Veronica of subgenus Hebe, i.e. Hebe is nested in Veronica. http://www.albach.gmxhome.de/Classif...n.htm#Veronica Amazing how things come around! I have spent the last 25 years trying to get my mother to call them Hebe not Veronica, Pghiladelphus will return to Syringa as well and her world would be perect! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
On 1/6/08 19:15, in article ,
"Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... In message , writes Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars By more recent botanical opinion a Hebe is a Veronica of subgenus Hebe, i.e. Hebe is nested in Veronica. http://www.albach.gmxhome.de/Classif...n.htm#Veronica Amazing how things come around! I have spent the last 25 years trying to get my mother to call them Hebe not Veronica, Pghiladelphus will return to Syringa as well and her world would be perect! And Aloysia triphylla will revert to Lippia citrodora (which I much prefer) and still be Lemon Verbena to many! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
In message , Sacha
writes On 1/6/08 19:15, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... In message , writes Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars By more recent botanical opinion a Hebe is a Veronica of subgenus Hebe, i.e. Hebe is nested in Veronica. http://www.albach.gmxhome.de/Classif...n.htm#Veronica Amazing how things come around! I have spent the last 25 years trying to get my mother to call them Hebe not Veronica, Pghiladelphus will return to Syringa as well and her world would be perect! I'm not sure that Philadelphus was ever in Syringa. Syringa has got into circulation as a vernacular name for Philadelphus, but both genera were recognised as far back as Linnaeus. [Googling finds a reference to Gerard using the name Syringa - referring to the hollow stems - for both lilac and mock orange - over 100 years before Linnaeus.] The chance of Philadelphus being placed in Syringa are remote; Philadelphus belongs to family Hydrangaceae in order Cornales (it used to be in the rather unnatural Saxifragaceae sensu lato), while Syringa belongs to family Oleaceae in order Lamiales. This contrasts with the situation with Veronica and Hebe, where it was always recognised that they were closely related. There's a better chance of lilacs becoming Ligustrum. (There's data out there suggesting that Ligustrum is nested in Syringa, and Ligustrum occurs earlier in Species Plantarum than Syringa.) And Aloysia triphylla will revert to Lippia citrodora (which I much prefer) and still be Lemon Verbena to many! That might happen. Fide WikiPedia the current name is Aloysia citrodora. It seems that L'Heritier's use of the epithet triphylla (1785-6) predated Lamarck's use of the epithet citrodora (1791), but an earlier (1784) use of citrodora by a 3rd botanist has been found. So all it would take is to decide that Lippia warrants generic rank. On the other hand, triphylla has been in use from 1925, so it could get conserved. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
On 1/6/08 22:18, in article lid, "Stewart Robert
Hinsley" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 1/6/08 19:15, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... In message , writes Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars By more recent botanical opinion a Hebe is a Veronica of subgenus Hebe, i.e. Hebe is nested in Veronica. http://www.albach.gmxhome.de/Classif...n.htm#Veronica Amazing how things come around! I have spent the last 25 years trying to get my mother to call them Hebe not Veronica, Pghiladelphus will return to Syringa as well and her world would be perect! I'm not sure that Philadelphus was ever in Syringa. Syringa has got into circulation as a vernacular name for Philadelphus, but both genera were recognised as far back as Linnaeus. Surely we're just talking about what people called them, not what they actually should be? [Googling finds a reference to Gerard using the name Syringa - referring to the hollow stems - for both lilac and mock orange - over 100 years before Linnaeus.] The chance of Philadelphus being placed in Syringa are remote; Philadelphus belongs to family Hydrangaceae in order Cornales (it used to be in the rather unnatural Saxifragaceae sensu lato), while Syringa belongs to family Oleaceae in order Lamiales. This contrasts with the situation with Veronica and Hebe, where it was always recognised that they were closely related. There's a better chance of lilacs becoming Ligustrum. (There's data out there suggesting that Ligustrum is nested in Syringa, and Ligustrum occurs earlier in Species Plantarum than Syringa.) And Aloysia triphylla will revert to Lippia citrodora (which I much prefer) and still be Lemon Verbena to many! That might happen. Fide WikiPedia the current name is Aloysia citrodora. It seems that L'Heritier's use of the epithet triphylla (1785-6) predated Lamarck's use of the epithet citrodora (1791), but an earlier (1784) use of citrodora by a 3rd botanist has been found. So all it would take is to decide that Lippia warrants generic rank. On the other hand, triphylla has been in use from 1925, so it could get conserved. Fine, then I'm sticking to Lippia citrodora. Most customers call it lemon verbena anyway! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.co.uk South Devon 'We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children.' |
New Zealand Greenery - Hebe Plants
In message , Sacha
writes On 1/6/08 22:18, in article lid, "Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote: In message , Sacha writes On 1/6/08 19:15, in article , "Charlie Pridham" wrote: In article , says... In message , writes Bring some Antipodean extravagance to your garden with Hebe plants. We found out more in an interview with Tony Hayter, Secretary of the Hebe Society. 1. Can you tell us, what exactly is a Hebe? A Hebe is a close related of Veronica (speedwell). It is an evergreen shrub that comes from New Zealand. There are 100 species and many cultivars By more recent botanical opinion a Hebe is a Veronica of subgenus Hebe, i.e. Hebe is nested in Veronica. http://www.albach.gmxhome.de/Classif...n.htm#Veronica Amazing how things come around! I have spent the last 25 years trying to get my mother to call them Hebe not Veronica, Pghiladelphus will return to Syringa as well and her world would be perect! I'm not sure that Philadelphus was ever in Syringa. Syringa has got into circulation as a vernacular name for Philadelphus, but both genera were recognised as far back as Linnaeus. Surely we're just talking about what people called them, not what they actually should be? When we're talking about botanical names (which I thought we were) we are usually talking about what they should be - unlike vernacular names, there are prescriptive rules for botanical names. (The alternative is to discuss the history of the nomenclature of a taxon, but even then the purpose of such discussion is normally to ascertain what the taxon should be called.) -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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