Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
Does anyone here know if it's true that Canna Heinrich Seidel is really C.
Roma which became misattributed some years ago? Are they in fact, one and the same? David - anyone? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
"Sacha" wrote Does anyone here know if it's true that Canna Heinrich Seidel is really C. Roma which became misattributed some years ago? Are they in fact, one and the same? David - anyone? This may be of interest..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canna_%27Roma%27 You will see that it says C. "Heinrich Seidel" is a totally different plant and is incorrectly used as a synonym. Indeed it says C. "Madame Crozy" is also used a a synonym but that is crimson red with a golden edge and was a parent of C. "Roma". -- Regards Bob Hobden |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
Sacha wrote:
Does anyone here know if it's true that Canna Heinrich Seidel is really C. Roma which became misattributed some years ago? Are they in fact, one and the same? David - anyone? Well, 'Heinrich Seidel' has bright golden yellow flowers with orange feathering especially towards the middle of the flower. It's a sumptuous variety and really ought to be more widely available. C. 'Roma' appears to have been confused with 'Florence Vaughan', which is one of the 'spotty' Cannas. In this case the ground colour is yellow heavily overlaid with orange spots and blotches and a yellow border. It's a fair bet that the variety we know as 'Florence Vaughan' is in fact 'Roma'. As to 'Roma' and Heinrich Seidel' being confused, they are rather too distinct for that to happen. |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
"Sacha" wrote Thanks to both you and Bob for all this info. I'm printing it off to hand over to Ray and Matthew. I was typing up our Plant List when I came across a web site that said these two Cannas had been confused, so I knew someone would have the answer here! Ah, but it may not be as easy as that. Which one have you got, what's it's correct name? :-) Is it Roma or Heinrich Seide, or even one of the other incorrectly named Canna Roma... Cattleya Florence Vaughan ** Jennifer Madame Crozy ** Mrs Crozy Orange Humbert Orange King Humbert Papillon Sunburst Yellow King Humbert ** ** names belong to totally different plants. You could spend many happy (?) hours on this one. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
On 27/8/08 18:25, in article , "Bob Hobden"
wrote: "Sacha" wrote Thanks to both you and Bob for all this info. I'm printing it off to hand over to Ray and Matthew. I was typing up our Plant List when I came across a web site that said these two Cannas had been confused, so I knew someone would have the answer here! Ah, but it may not be as easy as that. Which one have you got, what's it's correct name? :-) Is it Roma or Heinrich Seide, or even one of the other incorrectly named Canna Roma... Cattleya Florence Vaughan ** Jennifer Madame Crozy ** Mrs Crozy Orange Humbert Orange King Humbert Papillon Sunburst Yellow King Humbert ** ** names belong to totally different plants. You could spend many happy (?) hours on this one. Going by David's description we're happy it's what we thought it was, C. Heinrich Seidel. But have a look on web site and see what you think - then you can have the happy hours! I've just spent half an hour getting a pic of Heliconia scheideana to upload properly. It insisted on trying to pretend it was a Hedychium, so I'm rather 'off' both computers and exotic plants atm and am going to cook supper!! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
"Sacha" wrote "Sacha" wrote Thanks to both you and Bob for all this info. I'm printing it off to hand over to Ray and Matthew. I was typing up our Plant List when I came across a web site that said these two Cannas had been confused, so I knew someone would have the answer here! Ah, but it may not be as easy as that. Which one have you got, what's it's correct name? :-) Is it Roma or Heinrich Seide, or even one of the other incorrectly named Canna Roma... Cattleya Florence Vaughan ** Jennifer Madame Crozy ** Mrs Crozy Orange Humbert Orange King Humbert Papillon Sunburst Yellow King Humbert ** ** names belong to totally different plants. You could spend many happy (?) hours on this one. Going by David's description we're happy it's what we thought it was, C. Heinrich Seidel. But have a look on web site and see what you think - then you can have the happy hours! I've just spent half an hour getting a pic of Heliconia scheideana to upload properly. It insisted on trying to pretend it was a Hedychium, so I'm rather 'off' both computers and exotic plants atm and am going to cook supper!! Looks right to me, although the "Yellow King Humbert" has the same colouring the central orange/red blotch is smaller. -- Regards Bob Hobden |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
Ah, just had a look. Yes, that is 'Heinrich Siedel'. True 'Yellow
King Humbert' is one of the 'spotty' Cannas and is very variable sometimes producing petals that are half yellow and half red, or flowers that are all red or all yellow. Add to that its tendency to produce purple variegated leaves as well as leaves that are wholly purple and you have a highly schizophrenic plant. It also goes by the name of Cleopatra. Since there is a variety similar to Florence Vaughan called Cleopatre amongst the Crozy group of hybrids, it doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to understand how Florence is also confused with Yellow King Humbert! Cannas are in a heck of a mess and so far no-one appears to have the courage to sort them all out. It doesn't help with every man and his dog raising seedlings from named varieties and pushing them out with the parental name either. |
Canna Heinrich Seidel/Roma
On 27/8/08 21:41, in article
, "Dave Poole" wrote: Ah, just had a look. Yes, that is 'Heinrich Siedel'. True 'Yellow King Humbert' is one of the 'spotty' Cannas and is very variable sometimes producing petals that are half yellow and half red, or flowers that are all red or all yellow. Add to that its tendency to produce purple variegated leaves as well as leaves that are wholly purple and you have a highly schizophrenic plant. It also goes by the name of Cleopatra. Since there is a variety similar to Florence Vaughan called Cleopatre amongst the Crozy group of hybrids, it doesn't require a huge leap of imagination to understand how Florence is also confused with Yellow King Humbert! Cannas are in a heck of a mess and so far no-one appears to have the courage to sort them all out. It doesn't help with every man and his dog raising seedlings from named varieties and pushing them out with the parental name either. Not surprisingly, I read that as 'the Crazy' group of hybrids. As he has told you Ray has a Hedychium here known to him as 'Ken' because Ken gave it to him. So far, nobody has managed to get beyond that point! It's like our Canna 'Lesotho Lil' which was brought back from Lesotho and given to Ray who called it that for fun, in the absence of any other ID. Next thing he knew, someone had bought it from us, propagated it and put it in the Plant Finder!! So C. Lesotho Lil it remains. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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