I have a small stream about 3ft wide, that dries up in mid summer, but
can be a raging torrent in winter up to 2ft deep.

The bank sides are approx 40 deg sloping, and made of builders rubble
and soil.

The stream bed looks like it just builders rubble.

Over the years the banks have started to be undercut with the water,
and then the bank gives way. So the stream is getting wider and the
banks are getting steeper.

Access is very limited and there is no chance of getting any machinery
in, except hand tools.

Any ideas on the best way, and cheapest of trying to stop this
errosion.

On Wed, 03 Sep 2008 17:33:30 +0100, dutchman
wrote:

I have a small stream about 3ft wide, that dries up in mid summer, but
can be a raging torrent in winter up to 2ft deep.

The bank sides are approx 40 deg sloping, and made of builders rubble
and soil.

The stream bed looks like it just builders rubble.

Over the years the banks have started to be undercut with the water,
and then the bank gives way. So the stream is getting wider and the
banks are getting steeper.

Access is very limited and there is no chance of getting any machinery
in, except hand tools.

Any ideas on the best way, and cheapest of trying to stop this
errosion.


I'd have a peek upstream to see what other people have done too - if
it's got worse (and just to be nosey)
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"dutchman" wrote in message
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I have a small stream about 3ft wide, that dries up in mid summer, but
can be a raging torrent in winter up to 2ft deep.

The bank sides are approx 40 deg sloping, and made of builders rubble
and soil.

The stream bed looks like it just builders rubble.

Over the years the banks have started to be undercut with the water,
and then the bank gives way. So the stream is getting wider and the
banks are getting steeper.

Access is very limited and there is no chance of getting any machinery
in, except hand tools.

Any ideas on the best way, and cheapest of trying to stop this
errosion.


It "might" be the Water Authority's responsibility to do something about it.
Have you checked? If it is, you get it done for free.

"'Mike'" wrote in message
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"dutchman" wrote in message
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I have a small stream about 3ft wide, that dries up in mid summer, but
can be a raging torrent in winter up to 2ft deep.

The bank sides are approx 40 deg sloping, and made of builders rubble
and soil.

The stream bed looks like it just builders rubble.

Over the years the banks have started to be undercut with the water,
and then the bank gives way. So the stream is getting wider and the
banks are getting steeper.

Access is very limited and there is no chance of getting any machinery
in, except hand tools.

Any ideas on the best way, and cheapest of trying to stop this
errosion.


It "might" be the Water Authority's responsibility to do something about
it. Have you checked? If it is, you get it done for free.

If you intend doing any work on a watercourse you need to involve - and
probably get permission from - the Environment Agency. As they're dealing
with this type of problem all the time they would anyway be a useful source
of advice and expertise. Flood Defence is probably a good department to
start off with.

"Bald eagle" wrote in message
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If you intend doing any work on a watercourse you need to involve - and
probably get permission from - the Environment Agency. As they're dealing
with this type of problem all the time they would anyway be a useful
source of advice and expertise. Flood Defence is probably a good
department to start off with.


I am not sure about Flood defence in this case !
If you contact the E.A. they will tell you if the stream is registered with
them.
We had a problem with our stream and the E.A. could only advise - not
physically help as it is not "one of theirs".
If the "unregistered" stream is on the boundary between two landowners then
it is up to the "riparian " owners to sort it between themselves.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com

On 4/9/08 12:17, in article , "Pete
Stockdale" wrote:


"Bald eagle" wrote in message
...

If you intend doing any work on a watercourse you need to involve - and
probably get permission from - the Environment Agency. As they're dealing
with this type of problem all the time they would anyway be a useful
source of advice and expertise. Flood Defence is probably a good
department to start off with.


I am not sure about Flood defence in this case !
If you contact the E.A. they will tell you if the stream is registered with
them.
We had a problem with our stream and the E.A. could only advise - not
physically help as it is not "one of theirs".
If the "unregistered" stream is on the boundary between two landowners then
it is up to the "riparian " owners to sort it between themselves.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com


If it's anything to do with the council mentioned in yesterday's papers,
they won't be 'wellie trained' so they won't be allowed to get into the
stream..........

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Your right on that, as its in a new housing estate. Whereby both banks
come with the property.

Ones of the problems is that the stream was diverted, so they could
built moew houses. But my bets are the stream is trying to get back
to its original course.

It looks like as the most cost effective option is to use wooden
stakes every 750mm and then board up at he back, and rock infill
behind it and the bank. I am told that heavy vaccum tanalised timbers
will last over 10 years.



If the "unregistered" stream is on the boundary between two landowners then
it is up to the "riparian " owners to sort it between themselves.

Regards
Pete
www.thecanalshop.com

"dutchman" wrote in message
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Your right on that, as its in a new housing estate. Whereby both banks
come with the property.

Ones of the problems is that the stream was diverted, so they could
built moew houses. But my bets are the stream is trying to get back
to its original course.

It looks like as the most cost effective option is to use wooden
stakes every 750mm and then board up at he back, and rock infill
behind it and the bank. I am told that heavy vaccum tanalised timbers
will last over 10 years.




I would use the pointed angle iron fencing posts, backed by good chain link
fencing, then back filled with rocks. For this, you might find a demolition
taking place where large manageable chucks of concrete could be obtained.
They would last longer with regards to erosion and the limited power even a
torrent would have in trying to dislodge them.

Wooden stakes and boarding will as you realise rot and then the backfill
would be exposed and again washed away

Just a few thoughts. Water is funny stuff AND powerful

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Your right on that, as its in a new housing estate. Whereby both banks
come with the property.

Ones of the problems is that the stream was diverted, so they could
built moew houses. But my bets are the stream is trying to get back
to its original course.

It looks like as the most cost effective option is to use wooden
stakes every 750mm and then board up at he back, and rock infill
behind it and the bank. I am told that heavy vaccum tanalised timbers
will last over 10 years.

Planting willows would be cheaper and better - and if you plant the
right ones (osiers) you can harvest them and flog them to
basket-makers...

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