Garlic/onion frost damage
 

With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

Ed
(Herts, UK)

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Ed ex@directory wrote:

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

The garlic will likely recover, though perhaps at some energy and size
cost.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Ed" wrote
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?


Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten off!!

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten off!!

Yikes! What kind of wildlife eats garlic tops?

Here, the deer will eat the leftover Brussels Sprout plants, and any leeks
I've left in the ground, but they're not their first choice. Kale, on the
other hand....


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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"Gary Woods" wrote after "Bob Hobden" moaned on...

Your garlic will recover unlike ours which has had the tops all eaten
off!!

Yikes! What kind of wildlife eats garlic tops?

Here, the deer will eat the leftover Brussels Sprout plants, and any leeks
I've left in the ground, but they're not their first choice. Kale, on the
other hand....

We have never ever had anything damage our Garlic before and thought them
impervious to attack, not this year. The first tops to show all disappeared
within a few days and I can see where they have been eaten off. A few late
developers are coming up again and I've put a couple of rodent bait boxes
out to try to kill the culprits. Last thing we want is rodents getting a
taste for garlic!

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Ed wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

Ed
(Herts, UK)

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

On Nov 2, 10:12*am, Sheldon wrote:
Ed wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

Ed
(Herts, UK)

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard, how many
garlic crops have you brought to market?
The original poster should have no problems but should monitor his
crop a bit earlier than normal harvest by using a few plants so he can
time everything before the cloves open.
If you have extra stock go ahead and plant right up until the ground
is hard.

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beecrofter wrote:

BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard, how many
garlic crops have you brought to market?

The conventional wisdom here is that garlic should be planted 6-8 weeks
before ground frost, so the roots get well established before the ground
freezes hard, preventing the cloves from getting heaved up during
thaw/freeze cycles. To that end, a light mulch after things have started
to freeze is a Good Thing. I'm happier if I get little or now _top_ growth
before the freeze, since that gets damaged and costs the cloves energy
better spent the next spring.
Full disclosu

I am NOT a commercial grower; only a somewhat obsessed amateur. I grow
something around a hundred pounds of garlic, using what my Sweetie and I
don't eat to donate, trade, etc. I'm in the Northeastern U.S.; conditions
elsewhere vary. Mine certainly do!

Yours in bad breath,


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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"beecrofter" wrote

On Nov 2, 10:12 am, Sheldon wrote:

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

BALONEY, you get growth until the ground is frozen hard,
[...]

for a strong start, plant 4 to 6 weeks before the ground freezes.

do NOT cold store or plant cold stored cloves, it will cause the clove to
sprout prematurely, before it establishes good roots. This is trouble
because it allows winter heaving. And no, properly planted and cared for
garlic usually does not sprout or grow much green until a warm spell during
winter. And then when it does, it's time for a high nitrogen feed, followed
by several more through May. (experienced in zone 5/6).

how many garlic crops have you brought to market?

prolly more than years you've trekked Terra Firma

a couple of fun places to visit & learn:
http://thegarlicstore.com/ZenCart/Index.php
http://www.gourmetgarlicgardens.com/boutique.htm
For a wide selection of planting stock, check back about June to order

Steve Young

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"Sheldon" wrote
Ed wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?


Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK at
all.
There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring planted)
although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sheldon" wrote:

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" �wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall. I don't grow
garlic anymore (used to), haven't for like five years now because my
next door neighbor grows garlic and onions in great quantity, like 500
pounds of each, he supplies the entire neighborhood and attends the
local garlic festivals. I used to grow garlic in sets of 100, not a
lot but was more than enough for me and to share. I only take like
6-10 heads from my neighbor because I don't use it up fast enough and
it's a shame to let it rot, but I take 20 pounds of red and yellow
onions and 20 pounds of his spuds, russets and Yukon golds. Anyway,
my neighbor is a real garlic maven, he has quite an operation, grown
in very neat raised beds filled with soil he is constantly amending
with all sorts of composted manures, leaves, and a huge variety of
plant waste. I've learned a lot more about garlic growing from him
than I already knew. One thing he is very careful about is watching
the weather (I assume all agri people do) so he'll know the most
advantageous time to plant. He waits until we've had a few light
frosts and then plants as close as he can to four weeks prior to the
first hard frost. He mulches heavily with straw (about 8") that's
held down from wind with plastic deer fencing, which also keeps birds
off. He already has his garlic planted, this is the sixth season
since I've lived here and I've never seen any of his garlic sprout
before spring... you can set your clock on its sprouting because it
sends up green on the same day as daffodils. I don't know about
growing garlic in warm climes but here in NY's northern Catskill
region (zone 5/6) if garlic is planted too early prior to the first
hard frost it will sprout, and if sunlight can get to the sprouts it
will grow very rapidly, especially if there're a few day's warm
spell.

I have a clear view of his garlic bed from my window as I sit he
http://i36.tinypic.com/14lmx7b.jpg

A little far, let's try with tele:
http://i36.tinypic.com/wit2s8.jpg

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"Steve Young" wrote
"Bob Hobden" wrote

"Sheldon" wrote:

Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.

Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want
decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are
usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.

Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets
very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing,
an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting.
It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots
are
established. Not a good thing.

To Steve and Sheldon. This is a UK newsgroup and over here we don't get
your sort of winters, this is a maritime climate not a continental type
climate so we get perhaps a frost then some rain them some sun and the
temperature goes up so you work in your shirt. Sometimes in a week sometimes
all that in one day. So any garlic planted in the autumn will sprout in a UK
garden and in most winters will continue to grow through the winter. To get
garlic to sprout in the spring over here you would have to plant in the
spring.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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"Bob Hobden" wrote:

To Steve and Sheldon. �This is a UK newsgroup

Actually this thread was CROSSPOSTED to three different Newsgroups
(uk.rec.gardening, rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible). Usenet is
international, but had the OP wanted to keep his query UK sensitive he
should not have crossposted. And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Sheldon wrote:

And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

On behalf of U.S. gardeners not too far north of Sheldon, I wish to
apologise. People ought not to AssUMe.
I did notice the crossposting, though most of the information is
international. The climate in the UK is _different_ than mine, which I'll
have pointed out in February when you folks have spring flowers, and I'm on
first-name terms with the fuel oil delivery man!
FWIW, my garlic sprouts at the same time as the crocus, though I will be
using some hay mulch this winter, which will likely delay it a bit.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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On Nov 2, 3:19 am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

Ed
(Herts, UK)

If you look right up there, indeed the poster did give a locale.
What do want? his mailing address????
Emilie

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"Sheldon" wrote ...
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

To Steve and Sheldon. ?This is a UK newsgroup

Actually this thread was CROSSPOSTED to three different Newsgroups
(uk.rec.gardening, rec.gardens, rec.gardens.edible). Usenet is
international, but had the OP wanted to keep his query UK sensitive he
should not have crossposted. And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

No I am certainly not a "newbie" either as a gardener or on Usenet.
Just didn't notice the crossposting, like you didn't notice the original
posters locale and proceeded to be adamant about a way of growing garlic for
your totally different/foreign conditions. So we both got caught out.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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"Gary Woods" wrote after
Sheldon wrote:

And you, Hobden, are obviously a newbie.

On behalf of U.S. gardeners not too far north of Sheldon, I wish to
apologise. People ought not to AssUMe.
I did notice the crossposting, though most of the information is
international. The climate in the UK is _different_ than mine, which I'll
have pointed out in February when you folks have spring flowers, and I'm
on
first-name terms with the fuel oil delivery man!
FWIW, my garlic sprouts at the same time as the crocus, though I will be
using some hay mulch this winter, which will likely delay it a bit.

No need to apologise, it was just a mistake on both sides.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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On Nov 3, 11:42�am, mleblanca wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:19 am, Ed ex@directory wrote:

With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.

Will they recover or will I need to replant again?

Ed
(Herts, UK)

If you look right up there, indeed the poster did give a locale.
What do want? his mailing address????
Emilie

Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Sheldon" wrote
Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.

Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate,
totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by
the land around you.
The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring
comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. Whilst it is colder
the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and
even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on
the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones.
--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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In article ,
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

"Sheldon" wrote
Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.

Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate,
totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by
the land around you.
The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring
comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. Whilst it is colder
the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and
even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on
the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones.

I speak in zones but err on the low side just to be a bit on the safe
side. Our local micro clime it colder due to low elevation I guess.
Surrounded by swamps within 400 yards,
Temp settles in on cold nights.

Bill likes Lindisfarne for some obscure reason.

--
Garden in shade zone 5 S Jersey USA

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On Nov 3, 3:13�pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote
Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use..

The Queen is a local. Blue blooded is no recommendation of noble
mindedness... one can buy dogs with papers still gotta walk em.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. �It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.

Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate,
totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by
the land around you.
The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring
comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. �Whilst it is colder
the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and
even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on
the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones.

Coastal US weather is governed by the seas same as the UK... you're
grasping, obviously.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote:
"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" �wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. �There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.
Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. �Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. �What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall.


Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

Ed
(Herts, UK)

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On 03/11/08 19:53, Sheldon wrote:
On Nov 3, 11:42�am, mleblanca wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:19 am, Ed ex@directory wrote:

With the recent heavy snow and ice we have had this past week, a goodly
number of my autumn planted garlics and onions have had their tops bent
over.
Will they recover or will I need to replant again?
Ed
(Herts, UK)
If you look right up there, indeed the poster did give a locale.
What do want? his mailing address????
Emilie

Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.




No, no..... "Herts" is NOT slum speak. It is the official abbreviation
given by the Post Office and Royal Mail for the county of Hertfordshire
in SE England.

Also, the UK does not include Ireland ( aka the Republic of Ireland).
But does include the province of Northen Ireland. But what the heck are
the Isles?


But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now
the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we
experienced last week.

Ed
(Herts, UK)

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Ed ex@directory wrote:

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

It matters, but not hugely. The cloves will have wasted energy producing
tops that get damaged. Unless the damage is so severe/frequent that the
cloves run out of stored food, you'll still get a crop, albeit reduced
somewhat.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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Ed ex@directory wrote:

But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now
the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we
experienced last week.

Welcome to a most interesting digression. Conversations are often like
that!


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

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"Ed" wrote (big snip)

But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now
the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we
experienced last week.

I think we have answered that Ed. Somewhere.

BTW if you crosspost it's usual on Usenet to say so in the first line to
give us all a "Heads up" .
Can save all sorts of problems. :-)

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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sometime in the recent past Sheldon posted this:
On Nov 3, 3:13�pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote
Unless someone was a local they'd not know that "Herts" is ghetto/slum
speak for Hertfordshire.

It's actually the normal accepted short version, even the Queen would use.

The Queen is a local. Blue blooded is no recommendation of noble
mindedness... one can buy dogs with papers still gotta walk em.

The UK includes England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and the Isles...
that covers a few different bios... don't need (or even want) an
address, but a bit more specificity would help. �It's only southern
England that has relatively mild winters, most of the UK is just as
cold and snowy as NY's Catskills.

Not true, we are a Maritime climate you are a Continental type climate,
totally different. Our climate is governed by the seas around us, yours by
the land around you.
The effect is your winter comes, stays for a few months then goes and spring
comes... ours changes constantly and is all mixed up. �Whilst it is colder
the further North one travels it's still not constant like your weather and
even then there are exceptions like the effect of the warm Gulf Stream on
the West of Scotland. It's why we don't talk in zones.

Coastal US weather is governed by the seas same as the UK... you're
grasping, obviously.

Sheldon, you're busting balls *and* 'grasping,' as usual for anything that
makes you seem informed while you point out the opposite very well. "The
Queen is a local?" - what the hell does that mean? Never mind, I don't think
I need a better look at the inner workings of your mind. If you didn't get
'Herts' you should have gotten 'UK' but then you'd have one less opportunity
to quibble over a pointless point. And you don't understand the great
difference between having a coastline and being a relatively small land mass
surrounded by the sea. I live on the coast of Maine, but expect sub-zero
temperatures every winter. While my climate is moderated by the ocean, move
10 miles inland and it all changes. There, the summer is warmer, but the
winter is colder.

To anyone else, here's an url I found while looking up garlic-ing that I
thought was helpful for my Zone 4 gardening.
http://www.snellfamilyfarm.com/garlic.html

Sorry for the continued cross-posting. Cheers.

--
Wilson N44º39" W67º12"

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On Nov 4, 5:08�am, Ed ex@directory wrote:
On 03/11/08 15:33, Sheldon wrote:





"Steve Young" wrote:
"Bob Hobden" wrote
"Sheldon" wrote:
Garlic and onion sets shouldn't sprout until early spring... (same as
other allium), you obviously planted way too early... if anything the
early cold/snow may be a gift.
Rubbish! Garlic has to be planted before winter sets in if you want decent
sized heads. I try to get a good growth before they slow for the winter
cold. Spring planted stuff is almost a waste of time the heads are usually
so small. It's a tough plant and won't bother about the winter in the UK
at all. There are autumn planted onions (as well as the usual spring
planted) although I've found they are not as tough as garlic.
Nobody is talking about spring planting, we are talking about when it
sprouts.

If garlic has not been mistreated, very little sprouting/(above ground
growth) occurs between Fall planting and ground freeze. Now if it gets very
cold after planting and then a warm spell occurs before finally freezing, an
unusually large number may sprout. Here in NE Ohio probably less
than 20% sprout before a winter thaw. What confounds this timetable
is if garlic has been stored in a refrigerator anytime prior to planting. It
will sprout almost immediately after planting, long before strong roots are
established. Not a good thing.

Steve Young

Yup, obviously some of these folks don't read very well, the OP didn't
really mention a time frame, or even a locale, but from context it
seemed pretty obvious to those with intelligence that he meant
planting very recently, like now, as in this fall.

Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Cheerio and all that...

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

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On 04/11/08 15:41, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Ed" wrote (big snip)

But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now
the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we
experienced last week.

I think we have answered that Ed. Somewhere.

BTW if you crosspost it's usual on Usenet to say so in the first line to
give us all a "Heads up" .
Can save all sorts of problems. :-)


i thought cross posting was ok? its obvious in the headers.

I now multi posting is bad. but i not done that.

Ed

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

On 04/11/08 17:33, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

There is no problem in cross posting. It's a great way of getting
informed opinion and experience across the board.

And hey, Hertfordshire is no slum.. Its a rich county outside of London.


And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Bob Hobden" wrote:

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours.

The only ignorance is in if one desires to keep it pure UK is DON'T
CROSSPOST.

I got yer UK... GO ****ITH THYSELF! G

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

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Sheldon wrote:

I got yer UK...

Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me.
Shields up..


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Gary Woods wrote:
Sheldon wrote:
I got yer UK...

Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me.
Shields up..

Sometimes so do mine me .

Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Looks like we're neighbors.

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Sheldon wrote:

Gary Woods wrote:

Sheldon wrote:

I got yer UK...

Sometimes my countrymen embarrass me.
Shields up..


Sometimes so do mine me .


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G


Looks like we're neighbors.

Hide, Gary!

My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased
about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew
in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it
never died back.

I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good. (Of course, I
also get tator tots when I grown potatoes, unless I plant them in planters.

Kate - limestone country, TN

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

"Ed" wrote after Bob Hobden (with his tin hat still on) wrote:
"Ed" wrote (big snip)

But hey I only wanted to know if my garlic and onions will survive now
the tops have got bent over with the recent heavy snow and ice we
experienced last week.

I think we have answered that Ed. Somewhere.

BTW if you crosspost it's usual on Usenet to say so in the first line to
give us all a "Heads up" .
Can save all sorts of problems. :-)


i thought cross posting was ok? its obvious in the headers.

I now multi posting is bad. but i not done that.


Crossposting is OK and very useful on occasion but it's often mentioned in
the first line of the post (like I said "big snip) because I'm not the first
one that got himself into an argument by not noticing the headers and won't
be the last. :-)

--
Regards
Bob Hobden

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

kate wrote:

Hide, Gary!

I've done the next best thing.


My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased
about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew
in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it
never died back.

I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good.

If you give it a good shot of N while the foliage is growing in early
spring, plus potash when the bulbs are forming, you'll likely do better.
Of course, smaller garlic tends to be more pungent as well as store better,
so unless you really think size matters, why bother?

My pride was wounded a bit this weekend: Some folks came up to get stuff
I'd put on Craig's list (two ....erm... mature households merging have a
LOT of extra "stuff!"), and noticing my email (think garygarlic in the
first part), brought a nice bulb of "music" they'd grown. Fully twice the
size of mine.

Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year."


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

Gary Woods wrote:
kate wrote:


Hide, Gary!


I've done the next best thing.


My garlic has sprouted, which in my blissful ignorance I'm pleased
about. In the past it has usually died back in the winter to sprout anew
in the spring, but the last 2 winters have been warm enough that it
never died back.

I don't get store bought sized heads, but it sure is good.


If you give it a good shot of N while the foliage is growing in early
spring, plus potash when the bulbs are forming, you'll likely do better.
Of course, smaller garlic tends to be more pungent as well as store better,
so unless you really think size matters, why bother?

My pride was wounded a bit this weekend: Some folks came up to get stuff
I'd put on Craig's list (two ....erm... mature households merging have a
LOT of extra "stuff!"), and noticing my email (think garygarlic in the
first part), brought a nice bulb of "music" they'd grown. Fully twice the
size of mine.

Oh, well... as the Senators fans used to say, "Wait 'til next year."

One of the best parts of gardening - next year. I sold at a small
farmers market for a few years but would never take my garlic - MINE!
All mine! One farmer sold elephant garlic - huge things, but it
aappeared to only have one clove?

For fertilizing, I tend to stick with compost and manure and/or herbal
teas. I tried to cure tomato blight with garlic tea one year - didn't
work entirely, but I had tomatoes to sell into August so who knows?

Kate

Garlic/onion frost damage
 

In article ,
"Bob Hobden" wrote:

"Sheldon" wrote
Ummm, yes I did.. I stated I live in Herts, UK.

You be typing like eubonics... I suppose you can't spell
Hertsfordshire. If you wanted to stay pure UK you should not have
crossposted, crossposting is always poor form anyway... I asked
someone I know well who lived in London for many years, she says
Hertsforshire is a slum, a ghetto of uneducated inbred miscreants...
it's no wonder you can't express yourself in proper English.

And yes, we need need to plant garlic in November , so that it gets
rooted and sprouting before the winter sets in.

Rooted, yes but why sprouted garlic before winter. If sprouted garlic
is what you need and you say you have sprouted garlic, then your
question is inane, nay, insane. I say, old chap, you don't make any
sense, old bean. trying my hand at UK speak

But my question was whether or not it matters that the tops get bent
over with snow and ice. Will they recover.

And some priggish lout claims England gets no snow and ice... I knew
he's an idiot but arguing with idiots is a waste, it's not possible
for idiots to learn.

It seems you're asking a theorhetical... only one way to find out
about your garlic, wait. It's amazing how folks from the UK
especially are incapable of constructing a proper sentence... and then
they get their knickers all twisted when they don't get the responses
they wish.

Your ignorance of the accepted short version of an English County and your
ignoring of the UK bit in the original post was nobody else's fault but
yours. There is a whole world outside the US. It is you who made a fool of
yourself by spouting on adamantly about your way of growing garlic which has
no relevance for the UK and the OP at all.
Then you persist in blaming everyone else and
twisting/misreading/misunderstanding their comments to continue your silly
diatribe for some strange reason known only to you, and with every new post
you confirm my thoughts about you.

I apologize. Shelly really isn't one of us. He would rather be a jack
booted Israeli chasing Palestinian children around with a tank. If
you want to come and take him and give him a good hiding, we will
all understand.

Sincerely yours,
--

Billy
Republican and Democratic "Leadership" Behind Bars
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTf...ef=patrick.net