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This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks |
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Judith in France wrote:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks I don't know what it is but it looks nice. Good contrast between the flowers and the foliage. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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On Mar 8, 4:33*pm, David in Normandy wrote:
Judith in France wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks I don't know what it is but it looks nice. Good contrast between the flowers and the foliage. -- David in Normandy. * * *To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the * *subject line, or it will be automatically deleted * *by a filter and not reach my inbox. I thought it was stunning, I don't think I had ever seen a shrub/tree like that. The Botanical Gardens left a little to be desired so many plants didn't have identification including this one of a Basil which I think is a curry Basil but not sure, in fact I didn't know there were so many Basils to be found. The herb garden was definitely my favourite and I am hoping to recreatate it here, on a smaller scale when our builder is free as all the herbs are grown in a raised cubic bed that one can walk round both inside the cube and outside, it was lovely. Of course Basil wouldn't do too well here except from about June to October. The perfumed garden was an absolute let down, if I closed my eyes, I could smell nothing, only if I held a flower to my nose could I smell something. http://i39.tinypic.com/dxyfeh.jpg Judith |
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On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated drawing room in Winter? Judith |
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On 8/3/09 16:58, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated drawing room in Winter? Judith Not below around -7C. Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may be able to tell you more from personal experience. Ours live in a greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. We can grow C. parquii outside. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 16:58, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. |
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Judith in France wrote:
http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Intriguing. Could it be a Clerodendrum? -- Jeff |
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On Mar 8, 5:33*pm, "Jeff Layman" wrote:
Judith in France wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Intriguing. Could it be a Clerodendrum? -- Jeff I have no idea Jeff, but I will Google it, thanks. Judith |
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It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star
Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. |
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On Mar 8, 5:33*pm, "Jeff Layman" wrote:
Judith in France wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Intriguing. Could it be a Clerodendrum? -- Jeff Jeff second reply, thanks for the reply I have just traced it, it is Clerodendrum quadriloculare, or Starburst. It says does well in Florida, very forgiving tree/shrub but won't withstand freezing temps. Judith |
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On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote:
It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith |
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On 8/3/09 17:15, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:58, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated drawing room in Winter? Judith Not below around -7C. *Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may be able to tell you more from personal experience. *Ours live in a greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. *We can grow C. parquii outside. Our house is an L shape and we only heat one side of the L, we shut up the other wing for the Winter as fuel is so expensive. I will put in a max/mim thermometer just to see what it falls to, there is still snow on the higher mountains here but it's not so cold so maybe it's too late to take an accurate Winter reading. Judith I haven't checked today's outside temps today but all I can tell you is that it's damn cold, still light and the curtains in my study are drawn to keep the house warm! The design of your house sounds extremely sensible but I trust you have a sturdy door between one half of 'l' and the other. ;-) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On 8/3/09 17:47, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith |
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On 8/3/09 22:42, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. I meant to buy it. It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On Mar 8, 5:59*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 17:15, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:58, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated drawing room in Winter? Judith Not below around -7C. *Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may be able to tell you more from personal experience. *Ours live in a greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. *We can grow C. parquii outside. Our house is an L shape and we only heat one side of the L, we shut up the other wing for the Winter as fuel is so expensive. I will put in a max/mim thermometer just to see what it falls to, there is still snow on the higher mountains here but it's not so cold so maybe it's too late to take an accurate Winter reading. Judith I haven't checked today's outside temps today but all I can tell you is that it's damn cold, still light and the curtains in my study are drawn to keep the house warm! *The design of your house sounds extremely sensible but I trust you have a sturdy door between one half of 'l' and the other. *;-) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online It has been a lovely day here which we spent with friends, the ones I told you about. We have not only a stout door between the L but three feet walls! It's time to go to bed now and I am pleasantly relaxed, a good bottle of wine shared with friends does that to me. Now, to keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have vines? Another rapid change of subject, we get our chickens in April, I need Mary Fisher, I haven't seen her posting recently, I do hope she is o.k. She knows more than I will ever forget about hens. Mind you RVal on here, also, is a hen expert, cooeeeeee Val? Judith |
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On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:42, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Tell me about it!!!!! I would marry Dave if I wasn't married already. We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer climate. Judith |
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On 8/3/09 22:51, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:42, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Tell me about it!!!!! I would marry Dave if I wasn't married already. We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer climate. Judith Ah. Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. ;-)) -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:51, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:42, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US.. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer climate. Judith Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-)) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Eh!! Dry gardens, is there such a group? I'll leave it until my Lord and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-) |
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On 8/3/09 22:56, in article
, "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:51, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:42, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics". Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer climate. Judith Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-)) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Eh!! Dry gardens, is there such a group? I'll leave it until my Lord and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-) There were some beauties in Country Life a week or two ago! But Jardins Secs is Olivier Filippi's Nursery in Meze. Superb. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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On Mar 8, 11:05*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 8/3/09 22:56, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:53*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:51, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 10:47*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 22:42, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 6:00*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:47, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:41*pm, DaveP wrote: It is Clerodendron quadriloculare aka 'Starburst/Shooting Star Clerodendron', which is widely grown in the warmer parts of the US. It's a very handsome thing, needing very bright conditions to do well and it's a fast grower needing plenty or root room so it's not ideal as a 'pot plant'. Bless you Dave, I just did a Google and came up with the same thing, it's nice to know when an expert's view accords with mine, it doesn't happen often! *I wonder if I could grow it in a planting bed in a heated garden room or conservatory? Judith He's a minor botanical miracle. *Or maybe that should be a major one! David, I'd like to know where to find it? -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Our Dave is a major botanical man. *I found it in "Ann's Tropics".. Sorry, I forget the url, just type in Ann's do dah. Judith Ah, sorry. *I meant to buy it. *It would do very well in one of our greenhouses in which things are actually planted. *David's knowledge is encyclopaedic and his memory for plant names is awesome! -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Tell me about it!!!!! *I would marry Dave if I wasn't married already. *We, not me and Dave but my husband and I have talked about buying a place further South as I really have a problem with the winters here, then I will bend Dave's ear about plants for a warmer climate. Judith Ah. *Then what you need is Dave's advice at Jardins Sec. *;-)) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Eh!! *Dry gardens, is there such a group? *I'll leave it until my Lord and Master actually views property there, although he did look at some at an Estate Agent's in Provence, so maybe there is some hope yet :-) There were some beauties in Country Life a week or two ago! *But Jardins Secs is Olivier Filippi's Nursery in Meze. * Superb. -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online Of course I remember you mentioning him. I don't think we could afford a place that is sold in Country Life, we looked at a small villa in the region of 1 million Euros, I don't think so!!! It was small, 2 bedrooms, not even enough garden to put a pool in. I may have to content myself with an apartment on the Promenade des Anglais and cross a very busy road to swim in the Med. Judith |
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from "Jeff Layman" contains these words: Judith in France wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Intriguing. Could it be a Clerodendrum? It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore and honeysuckle. But I like it. -- Rusty Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk |
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On Mar 8, 11:16*pm, Martin wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France wrote: On Mar 8, 5:59*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 17:15, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 5:01*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:58, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. If I grew it in a large pot, one like my Oleander grows in, I posted a pic of that last year, do you think it would survive an unheated drawing room in Winter? Judith Not below around -7C. *Charlie had much lower temps than us this year so may be able to tell you more from personal experience. *Ours live in a greenhouse where gentle heating comes on if it falls below 0C. *We can grow C. parquii outside. Our house is an L shape and we only heat one side of the L, we shut up the other wing for the Winter as fuel is so expensive. I will put in a max/mim thermometer just to see what it falls to, there is still snow on the higher mountains here but it's not so cold so maybe it's too late to take an accurate Winter reading. Judith I haven't checked today's outside temps today but all I can tell you is that it's damn cold, still light and the curtains in my study are drawn to keep the house warm! *The design of your house sounds extremely sensible but I trust you have a sturdy door between one half of 'l' and the other. *;-) -- Sachahttp://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online It has been a lovely day here which we spent with friends, the ones I told you about. We have not only a stout door between the L but three feet walls! * It's time to go to bed now and I am pleasantly relaxed, a good bottle of wine shared with friends does that to me. *Now, to keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have vines? We have vines and have had very hard frosts & cold winters *since I planted the first one, which is 36 years old this year. -- Martin Martin, care to tell me the which one it is? (Don't say nope, otherwise...) Judith |
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from Judith in France contains these words: Another rapid change of subject, we get our chickens in April, I need Mary Fisher, I haven't seen her posting recently, I do hope she is o.k. She knows more than I will ever forget about hens. Mind you RVal on here, also, is a hen expert, cooeeeeee Val? Haven't seen Mary for ages, not even when bees are mentioned. As a fellow Zetnut I'll try to raise her and see if she's OK. -- Rusty Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk |
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Rusty wrote:
It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore and honeysuckle. And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty, but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be devoid of the most popular ornamental plants. I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago and it's a magnificent and rewardingly rapid grower with quite luxuriant, impressive leaves especially on new basal shoots . A chopped down, finger-high sucker (this species is a bit of a 'runner') with barely any root was received in late January and by late November it was well over 1.5m high carrying several large clusters of flower. I was too confident about its reputed US Zone 9b/10 rating and the ensuing long, wet, but not cold winter winter saw it off. I've not been able to get any more. Maybe if I'd given it protection until it was better established I'd still have it now - although after this winter just passed ... Judith, if you can source it, it will do well in a very large (40cms diameter min.) amply drained container filled with any decent loam based compost. In a conservatory or dragged out onto a warm, sunny patio when frosts are over it will grow well, but you'll have to bring it inside for flowering since it starts its performance in winter and doesn't stand up to frequent or hard frosts very well. There's a more compact, free-er flowering variety with darker coloured stems and richly coloured leaf reverses, but the name escapes me. It still makes a biggish plant although with smaller leaves, I feel that some of the charm is lost. |
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Martin wrote: On Sun, 8 Mar 2009 15:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Judith in France wrote: Now, to keep on topic, this is such a cold area but I notice friends have vines, the local wine that I like is St. Pourcain , I might just have a go at putting in just two vines and see what happens any advice from anyone would be welcome I wonder if Emerys or David in Normandy have vines? We have vines and have had very hard frosts & cold winters since I planted the first one, which is 36 years old this year. Vines don't give a damn about cold - what they need for production is a hot a summer and sunny autumn. They aren't Mediterranean plants, but originate in somewhere like Asia minor, eastern Europe and central Asia. And, especially up in those mountains, it gets COLD. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Rusty wrote: It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore and honeysuckle. And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty, but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be devoid of the most popular ornamental plants. I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago I'm pleased someone could identify the species. But have you got the genus name correct? Although they are totally unrelated and quite different, I must admit that I always have to think twice before calling a plant Clerodendrum or Crinodendron! Mind you, there are only a couple of species of the latter and several hundred of the former. According to the RHS Dictionary, it should be Clerodendrum. -- Jeff |
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writes DaveP wrote: Rusty wrote: It looks like the monstrous result of miscegination between a hellebore and honeysuckle. And possibly more poisonous than both of them added together Rusty, but then if we were to try and avoid plant toxins, gardens would be devoid of the most popular ornamental plants. I grew it (the Clerodendron) some years ago I'm pleased someone could identify the species. But have you got the genus name correct? Although they are totally unrelated and quite different, I must admit that I always have to think twice before calling a plant Clerodendrum or Crinodendron! Mind you, there are only a couple of species of the latter and several hundred of the former. According to the RHS Dictionary, it should be Clerodendrum. Clerodendrum is Linnaeus's spelling. Burman coined the name first spelling it Clerodendron (fide IPNI), but pre-1753 names don't count for botanical priority. However, fide Google Clerodendrum only outweighs Clerodendron is general usage by about 3.5:1. If you go to Google Books (full view) the ratio drops to about 1.6:1. If you go to the name search at Botanicus, which is mostly older botanical literature Clerodendron becomes the commoner spelling. This is one of the cases where the correct name is not clear to someone who is not a complete ICBN lawyer. On the one hand Linnaeus used the form Clerodendrum, on the other hand orthographical mistakes are to be corrected, and Linnaeus doesn't replicate Burman's spelling is his citation, so he didn't obviously intend to change the spelling. IPNI has standardised on Clerodendrum, so presumably that is correct, but it's not obvious why it is. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: This is one of the cases where the correct name is not clear to someone who is not a complete ICBN lawyer. On the one hand Linnaeus used the form Clerodendrum, on the other hand orthographical mistakes are to be corrected, and Linnaeus doesn't replicate Burman's spelling is his citation, so he didn't obviously intend to change the spelling. IPNI has standardised on Clerodendrum, so presumably that is correct, but it's not obvious why it is. Consistency :-) Seriously - that will be the justification, but God alone knows how they came to that conclusion (I am sure that they don't). Anyway, it doesn't matter, any more than Buddleia versus Buddleja. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On Mar 9, 9:42*am, "Jeff Layman" wrote:
I'm pleased someone could identify the species. *But have you got the genus name correct? * According to the RHS Dictionary, it should be Clerodendrum. Point taken - not being infallible, I occasionally lapse into spelling as I speak and speaking so fast that 'drum' and 'dron' become almost indistinguishable. I did similar with Yucca elephantipes for several years - suddenly adding an extra 'h' to make elephantiphes. Don't know when or how it happened, but when tens of thousands of plant names are swirling about in the grey matter for 40 or so years, a few are bound to get slightly mucksed up from time to time. |
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"Judith in France" wrote in message ... http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks It's lovely whatever it is, if you find one could you get one for me please.... |
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from "Jeff Layman" contains these words: wrote: In article , Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote: This is one of the cases where the correct name is not clear to someone who is not a complete ICBN lawyer. On the one hand Linnaeus used the form Clerodendrum, on the other hand orthographical mistakes are to be corrected, and Linnaeus doesn't replicate Burman's spelling is his citation, so he didn't obviously intend to change the spelling. IPNI has standardised on Clerodendrum, so presumably that is correct, but it's not obvious why it is. Consistency :-) Seriously - that will be the justification, but God alone knows how they came to that conclusion (I am sure that they don't). Anyway, it doesn't matter, any more than Buddleia versus Buddleja. It doesn't really matter to me which one is "correct". But I think it does matter because if it isn't standardised, other incorrect versions will start to appear. How long before we get Buddleya because it sounds right (and it isn't in the spellchecker anyway!)? Ran this through the speelchucker, and from the paragraph beginning 'Seriously', it pointed at 'Buddleya', 'Buddleja' and 'spellchecker'. It offered 'Buddleia' as an alternative to the obvious, but it had no idea what a spellchecker was... -- Rusty Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk |
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says... On 8/3/09 16:58, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: On Mar 8, 4:37*pm, Sacha wrote: On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. *For size comparison see my hand. *Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks Could be a Cestrum, possibly fasciculatum Newellii. *If it is, it wouldn't be hardy with you, so you'd have to grow it in a pot. *Even then, it might not get to that size of leaf and flower cluster in your garden but it's still a lovely thing and worth growing. *Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. |
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Ihave discovered how and when Clerodendrum became Clerodendron in my
mind. A few days ago, was trying to remember when I acquired a couple of plants and went back into databases that I've maintained over the years. Musing through, I discovered that in the original db, Clerodendrum fragrans is shown as an acquisition in 1996 and that it was dug up in 1998. In later version, 2002 Clerodendrum ugandense is entered in 2002, subsequently corrected to C. myricoides 'Ugandense' and then Rotheca myricoides ssp. myricoides, which is it's current name. In 2005 Clerodendron glabrum appears, received as seed from Africa resulting in only two very weak seedlings that failed to survive. So, up until and probably well after 2002 I was growing Clerodendrum, but by or from 2005 onward I had mentally changed it to Clerodendron ... or should I say that I'd simply reverted to the original pre-Linnaean name? ;-) |
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"beccabunga" wrote: 'Sacha[_3_ Wrote: ;832832']On 8/3/09 16:25, in article , "Judith in France" wrote: - http://i40.tinypic.com/2qxauly.jpg This was growing Mounts Botanical Gardens at West Palm Beach and I thought it was beautiful. For size comparison see my hand. Would it be possible to grow or is it a hot place tree/shrub which maybe could survive in a heated garden room, which I don't have, yet. Many thanks- Cestrum nocturnum is another stunner in a sunny garden because it releases a fabulous scent at night. -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online But some do have a revolting smell in the daytime, notably Cestrum parqui. I don't find it *that* strong a scent - shall have to go and inspect it now! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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writes I don't find it *that* strong a scent - shall have to go and inspect it now! If you can cope with turkestanica and Codonpsis clematidea you'll have no trouble with anything else, including blocked drains:) Janet -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
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On 16/3/09 14:50, in article , "Janet Tweedy"
wrote: In article , Sacha writes I don't find it *that* strong a scent - shall have to go and inspect it now! If you can cope with turkestanica and Codonpsis clematidea you'll have no trouble with anything else, including blocked drains:) Janet I think the answer is plenty of air around them! ;-) Can't remember if it's Codonopsis we have growing in the prop. House. I know someone gave it to Ray and David P identified whatever-it-is. The smell is so disgusting that I had to ask him to move it from near the door to right down the other end because I could see customers almost reeling as they were bludgeoned by it. I will have to be very brave and risk checking its label tomorrow. It's unutterably disgusting! -- Sacha http://www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Exotic plants, shrubs & perennials online |
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