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Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from
forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 .. |
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from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? -- Rusty Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk |
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"Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie .. |
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It is an F1 hybrid, so does not necessarily bred true. Best thing to do is find someone who has a large clump and beg some offsets. |
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"Bertie Doe" wrote in message ... "Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie . Hi Bertie, Rusty, It's not an F1 hybrid. I see no reason why the basic Omphalodes cappadocica (a perennial) should not come true from seed, although I can't remember ever seeing it sold as seed. Chiltern Seeds sell seed of O. linifolium, but this form is an annual with white flowers. Despite Bertie's header, Omphalodes is commonly known as Navelwort. There is a cultivar(cv): O. cappadocica 'Starry Eyes', which is where the confusion arises. O.capp. 'SE' has blue flowers whose petals are striped with white, giving it it's 'starry' appearance. It is unlikely that this cv will come true from seed; it is a vegetative 'sport' which is probably propagated vegetatively. I have grown O. capp. but never noticed it seeding itself around. It does, however, sprawl and *occasionally* layer itself when happy. Although I've never tried it, it should be possible to persuade some of the sprawling plantlets to root more freely, perhaps with the aid of a rooting hormone. I suspect the best time to attempt this would be after flowering, when it is diverting its energy back into root and shoot growth. Spider |
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"Spider" wrote in message "Bertie Doe" wrote in message "Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie . Hi Bertie, Rusty, It's not an F1 hybrid. I see no reason why the basic Omphalodes cappadocica (a perennial) should not come true from seed, although I can't remember ever seeing it sold as seed. Chiltern Seeds sell seed of O. linifolium, but this form is an annual with white flowers. Despite Bertie's header, Omphalodes is commonly known as Navelwort. There is a cultivar(cv): O. cappadocica 'Starry Eyes', which is where the confusion arises. O.capp. 'SE' has blue flowers whose petals are striped with white, giving it it's 'starry' appearance. It is unlikely that this cv will come true from seed; it is a vegetative 'sport' which is probably propagated vegetatively. I have grown O. capp. but never noticed it seeding itself around. It does, however, sprawl and *occasionally* layer itself when happy. Although I've never tried it, it should be possible to persuade some of the sprawling plantlets to root more freely, perhaps with the aid of a rooting hormone. I suspect the best time to attempt this would be after flowering, when it is diverting its energy back into root and shoot growth. Thanks spider, from what I've read so far it's shade tolerant and is derived from Forget-me-nots. By contrast you will be aware that FMN's are quite prolific. When we lived in London N11, they seemed to be sprouting in everyone's front garden, in fact they became a bit of a weed - along with Buddleia. .. |
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"Bertie Doe" wrote in message ... "Spider" wrote in message "Bertie Doe" wrote in message "Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie . Hi Bertie, Rusty, It's not an F1 hybrid. I see no reason why the basic Omphalodes cappadocica (a perennial) should not come true from seed, although I can't remember ever seeing it sold as seed. Chiltern Seeds sell seed of O. linifolium, but this form is an annual with white flowers. Despite Bertie's header, Omphalodes is commonly known as Navelwort. There is a cultivar(cv): O. cappadocica 'Starry Eyes', which is where the confusion arises. O.capp. 'SE' has blue flowers whose petals are striped with white, giving it it's 'starry' appearance. It is unlikely that this cv will come true from seed; it is a vegetative 'sport' which is probably propagated vegetatively. I have grown O. capp. but never noticed it seeding itself around. It does, however, sprawl and *occasionally* layer itself when happy. Although I've never tried it, it should be possible to persuade some of the sprawling plantlets to root more freely, perhaps with the aid of a rooting hormone. I suspect the best time to attempt this would be after flowering, when it is diverting its energy back into root and shoot growth. Thanks spider, from what I've read so far it's shade tolerant and is derived from Forget-me-nots. By contrast you will be aware that FMN's are quite prolific. When we lived in London N11, they seemed to be sprouting in everyone's front garden, in fact they became a bit of a weed - along with Buddleia. . Yes, Bertie, it is usually used as a shade plant. It is a mystery why it's not more free with its seed, since all its relatives (in the family Boraginaceae) are generous seeders like F-M-N. They include Borage (of course), Anchusa, Brunnera, Echium, Pulmonaria and Symphytum. All lovely plants, but some rather too generous. They also share the mildew problem in dry conditions, but that is a small price to pay and easily dealt with in most cases by cutting back the foliage and improving watering. Spider |
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Bertie Doe wrote:
Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 . Is it possible that it's got Plant Breeders Rights on it which means it can only be propagated and sold under licence? It's like having a patent. It's propagated by cuttings and root division, apparently, not tissue culture which causes it to have a tendency to revert. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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On Apr 24, 2:01*pm, "Bertie Doe" wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message "Bertie Doe" wrote in message "Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie . Hi Bertie, Rusty, It's not an F1 hybrid. *I see no reason why the basic Omphalodes cappadocica (a perennial) should not come true from seed, although I can't remember ever seeing it sold as seed. *Chiltern Seeds sell seed of O. linifolium, but this form is an annual with white flowers. Despite Bertie's header, *Omphalodes is commonly known as Navelwort. There is a cultivar(cv): O. cappadocica 'Starry Eyes', which is where the confusion arises. * O.capp. 'SE' has blue flowers whose petals are striped with white, giving it it's 'starry' appearance. *It is unlikely that this cv will come true from seed; it is a vegetative 'sport' which is probably propagated vegetatively. I have grown O. capp. but never noticed it seeding itself around. *It does, however, sprawl and *occasionally* layer itself when happy. Although I've never tried it, it should be possible to persuade some of the sprawling plantlets to root more freely, perhaps with the aid of a rooting hormone. I suspect the best time to attempt this would be after flowering, when it is diverting its energy back into root and shoot growth. Thanks spider, from what I've read so far it's shade tolerant and is derived from Forget-me-nots. By contrast you will be aware that FMN's are quite prolific. When we lived in London N11, they seemed to be sprouting in everyone's front garden, in fact they became a bit of a weed - along with Buddleia. . I wonder if "derived from" just means related to meaning: in the same family as. They are pretty different from FMNs unless by FMN, they just mean normal Omphalodes, as spider explained. Might be a Dutch- English translation issue. |
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"Spider" wrote in message . Yes, Bertie, it is usually used as a shade plant. It is a mystery why it's not more free with its seed, since all its relatives (in the family Boraginaceae) are generous seeders like F-M-N. They include Borage (of course), Anchusa, Brunnera, Echium, Pulmonaria and Symphytum. All lovely plants, but some rather too generous. They also share the mildew problem in dry conditions, but that is a small price to pay and easily dealt with in most cases by cutting back the foliage and improving watering. Too much water down here in the southwest, so can't recollect when I last had mildew. .. |
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"Sacha" wrote in message Bertie Doe wrote: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 . Is it possible that it's got Plant Breeders Rights on it which means it can only be propagated and sold under licence? It's like having a patent. It's propagated by cuttings and root division, apparently, not tissue culture which causes it to have a tendency to revert. -- Agh sounds fairly labour intensive, which will add to the cost. It's also a fairly new plant, so there's the novelty premium. I'll wait a couple of years, till the price drops to say 50p per plug locally. The cheapest I've seen it online, after googling, is about £2 per plug plus p+p. .. |
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"beccabunga" wrote in message Bertie Doe;840642 Wrote: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 .. It is not forget-me-not, which is Myosotis. It is an F1 hybrid, so does not necessarily bred true. Best thing to do is find someone who has a large clump and beg some offsets. Yes you are correct, there are numerous references on the web to "forget-me-not like flowers". According to Graham Rice of the RHS, the breeder is Chris Ghyselen from Belgium and not Holland, as I first thought. http://mygarden.rhs.org.uk/blogs/new...px?PageIndex=3 Bertie .. |
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Bertie Doe wrote:
"Sacha" wrote in message Bertie Doe wrote: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 . Is it possible that it's got Plant Breeders Rights on it which means it can only be propagated and sold under licence? It's like having a patent. It's propagated by cuttings and root division, apparently, not tissue culture which causes it to have a tendency to revert. -- Agh sounds fairly labour intensive, which will add to the cost. It's also a fairly new plant, so there's the novelty premium. I'll wait a couple of years, till the price drops to say 50p per plug locally. The cheapest I've seen it online, after googling, is about £2 per plug plus p+p. . http://www.kevockgarden.co.uk/store/...d4ac24657.aspx £3 per 9cm pot. That's a lot more than a plug, if they're well rooted. http://www.plantsforshade.co.uk/acat...arry_eyes.html £4 for a 1 litre pot. I don't think it has PBR - can't see any reference to that in the, admittedly brief, search I've done. Buy one or two and divide them once they've clumped up a bit. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon |
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"Des Higgins" wrote in message ... On Apr 24, 2:01 pm, "Bertie Doe" wrote: "Spider" wrote in message "Bertie Doe" wrote in message "Rusty_Hinge" wrote in message from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Proper name : omphalodes cappadocica, a perennial, developed in Holland from forget-me-nots. Some uk seed merchants sell it in plugs, at great expense. Anyone know why it's not available in seed form? http://preview.tinyurl.com/cltxf6 I don't know the plant, but it's possibly a F1 hybrid? Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Bertie . Hi Bertie, Rusty, It's not an F1 hybrid. I see no reason why the basic Omphalodes cappadocica (a perennial) should not come true from seed, although I can't remember ever seeing it sold as seed. Chiltern Seeds sell seed of O. linifolium, but this form is an annual with white flowers. Despite Bertie's header, Omphalodes is commonly known as Navelwort. There is a cultivar(cv): O. cappadocica 'Starry Eyes', which is where the confusion arises. O.capp. 'SE' has blue flowers whose petals are striped with white, giving it it's 'starry' appearance. It is unlikely that this cv will come true from seed; it is a vegetative 'sport' which is probably propagated vegetatively. I have grown O. capp. but never noticed it seeding itself around. It does, however, sprawl and *occasionally* layer itself when happy. Although I've never tried it, it should be possible to persuade some of the sprawling plantlets to root more freely, perhaps with the aid of a rooting hormone. I suspect the best time to attempt this would be after flowering, when it is diverting its energy back into root and shoot growth. Thanks spider, from what I've read so far it's shade tolerant and is derived from Forget-me-nots. By contrast you will be aware that FMN's are quite prolific. When we lived in London N11, they seemed to be sprouting in everyone's front garden, in fact they became a bit of a weed - along with Buddleia. . I wonder if "derived from" just means related to meaning: in the same family as. They are pretty different from FMNs unless by FMN, they just mean normal Omphalodes, as spider explained. Might be a Dutch- English translation issue. Yes, it is simply a relative, Des. It is not a man-made plant, although we have tinkered with it to produce 'Starry Eyes' and other cvs. The basic O. cappadocica looks much more like FMNs, than the 'SE' cv. Omphalodes is derived from the Greek 'omphalos', meaning navel; -odes (or usually -oides), simply likens some part of this plant to a navel. In this case, there is apparently a navel-like depression on the seed. We can't see it, of course, because we can't get our hands on the seed :~[. The species name, cappadocica, tells us that the plant originated (or, arguably, was first discovered) in the Cappadocia region of Turkey. Spider |
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from "Bertie Doe" contains these words: Thanks Rusty, suppose I bought a pot-grown one and I saved the seed. If SE is an F1, does this mean it will possibly 'revert to type'? Types - if F1, or maybe not at all... -- Rusty Growing old is mandatory; growing up is optional. Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk |
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