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Is this tree likely to be a threat?
Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was
covered over in red tiles. On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, (see tinypic link) believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. Thanks. |
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If it is a question of whether the roots are affecting your neighbour's drains, you can find out by organising a survey of the drains by camera. |
Is this tree likely to be a threat?
"john royce" wrote in message ... Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was covered over in red tiles. On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, (see tinypic link) believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. Thanks. Take some advice from a proper tree surgeon rather than an Irish traveller who is interested in taking your money. Tina |
Is this tree likely to be a threat?
In message , john royce
writes Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was covered over in red tiles. On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, (see tinypic link) believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. Thanks. My first reaction is to say don't pay the cold caller large sums of money until you get a second opinion. :-) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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In message , Christina Websell
writes "john royce" wrote in message ... Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was covered over in red tiles. On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, (see tinypic link) believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. Thanks. Take some advice from a proper tree surgeon rather than an Irish traveller who is interested in taking your money. Tina GMTA. :-) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
Is this tree likely to be a threat?
On May 18, 8:51*pm, "john royce" wrote:
Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was covered over in red tiles. *On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, *(see tinypic link) *believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 * Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. *If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. * Thanks. The basic steps are that you will have the tree removed. We have had several trees removed, particularly at our last house. 1 was a diseased oak, the safety risk to us was important so we employed a firm who specialised in taking down trees. They carry professional cover insurance so that if the tree damaged adjoining property; we would be covered. It's not as expensive as you might think also they will, if you wish, cut up the tree for logs or they will take it away. You have taken the first step in deciding to have it removed, well done. Judith |
Is this tree likely to be a threat?
john royce wrote:
Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. A near neighbour of mine has apparently been the victim of a scam. Some itinerants called, and told him that he had to let them trim several large trees because the chap next door had complained, which was completely untrue. To say the result was butchery would be an understatement. They didn't remove any material, and charged him £400 for the job. I have to say that your tree does look a little close to the house. Does your insurance require you to tell them about anything over a certain size? If you want advice, seek out a reputable professional, don't respond to cold callers. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
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The largest subsidence risk results from the combination of (1) deciduous trees (2) clay soils See for example http://www.bureauinsure.co.uk/what_are_trees.htm So having a conifer you are already not in the worst position, but I don't know what your local soil type is. Assuredly your tree will not find 18" of soil enough and as a mountain species it will be accustomed to rooting down among rocks. But as the previous poster said, deodars (very similar to cedar of lebanon) can grow to be very large trees indeed. I've seen them with trunks over 6ft in diameter in England. They obtain such a size much quicker than oaks, etc, massive examples are less than 100 yrs old. They are not just tall, but also gain a very broad spread. Though yours is clearly in a less than ideal site and won't grow so well as the huge examples I know. It is evident from the lack of branches on the house side of the tree that it is suffering form the proximity to the house. In general they rae not a suitable tree close to buildings and in small gardens. So all in all, it is a tree in the wrong place. A good idea to take it down now while it is a manageable size and put in something more suitable. There are genuinely small varieties of conifers, especially certain juniper cultivars, which would be more suitable if you want a small tree close to your house. If you really like cedars, there is a weeping form of blue cedar, cedrus atlantica pendula, which stays small. |
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echinosum writes
The largest subsidence risk results from the combination of (1) deciduous trees (2) clay soils See for example http://tinyurl.com/qhkzz5 Thank you - a heartwarming link (for someone in a clay soil which is not London clay, in a pre-1900 house which is not detached) " * Detached properties have a greater susceptibility to subsidence or heave damage than non-detached properties. * Properties built prior to 1900 are less susceptible to damage than those built thereafter * London clay is, by far, the most commonly encountered "problem" soil. * It typically takes about 50 years between construction and perception of damage, while only about 6% of cases occurred in the first 10 years after construction. * The likelihood of a property being underpinned following damage generally increases with the level of damage * Oak trees are, by far, the most damaging species of tree. " Still feel I did the right thing in persuading the Church to cut back their beech tree (3m from our house) so that its branches no longer sweep our roof tiles ;-) -- Kay |
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echinosum writes The largest subsidence risk results from the combination of (1) deciduous trees (2) clay soils See for example http://tinyurl.com/qhkzz5 Thank you - a heartwarming link (for someone in a clay soil which is not London clay, in a pre-1900 house which is not detached) " * Detached properties have a greater susceptibility to subsidence or heave damage than non-detached properties. * Properties built prior to 1900 are less susceptible to damage than those built thereafter * London clay is, by far, the most commonly encountered "problem" soil. * It typically takes about 50 years between construction and perception of damage, while only about 6% of cases occurred in the first 10 years after construction. * The likelihood of a property being underpinned following damage generally increases with the level of damage * Oak trees are, by far, the most damaging species of tree. " Still feel I did the right thing in persuading the Church to cut back their beech tree (3m from our house) so that its branches no longer sweep our roof tiles ;-) Also be aware that cutting down trees can cause problems. Extensive roots rot then the soil shifts to fill the holes. Three Houses near where I used to live had problems after three large trees were felled. -- Please reply to group,emails to designated address are never read. |
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On May 19, 3:38*pm, K wrote:
echinosum writes The largest subsidence risk results from the combination of (1) deciduous trees (2) clay soils See for example http://tinyurl.com/qhkzz5 Thank you - a heartwarming link (for someone in a clay soil which is not London clay, in a pre-1900 house which is not detached) * " * * *Detached properties have a greater susceptibility to subsidence or heave damage than non-detached properties. * * ** Properties built prior to 1900 are less susceptible to damage than those built thereafter * * ** London clay is, by far, the most commonly encountered "problem" soil. * * ** It typically takes about 50 years between construction and perception of damage, while only about 6% of cases occurred in the first 10 years after construction. * * ** The likelihood of a property being underpinned following damage generally increases with the level of damage * * ** Oak trees are, by far, the most damaging species of tree. " Still feel I did the right thing in persuading the Church to cut back their beech tree (3m from our house) so that its branches no longer sweep our roof tiles ;-) -- Kay I seem to remember that you had a row of Lleyandi along the drive with the Church. I can't remember if they took them down or not? Judith |
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Broadback writes
Also be aware that cutting down trees can cause problems. Extensive roots rot then the soil shifts to fill the holes. Is that the mechanism? I thought it was that the trees were no longer taking up the ground water, so the soil volume increased because of the extra water, so you got 'heave' as opposed to subsidence. -- Kay |
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Judith in France writes
I seem to remember that you had a row of Lleyandi along the drive with the Church. I can't remember if they took them down or not? There's two sets of Leylandii. There are our four, which block the view of the rather boring side of the Church, and there's their half dozen around the war memorial out the front. We've taken the tops out of ours, so they're now about 15 feet high. They've also topped theirs. more recently, and I guess theirs are about 10 ft high. None are a problem to us atm as they're all some distance from the house. The only tree near to the house is the beech. We may top ours again, and we are considering taking them out one by one, and letting the bay tree have more room - it's as tall as the leylandiis and growing at much the same speed. -- Kay |
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"Gordon H" wrote in message ... In message , Christina Websell writes "john royce" wrote in message ... Sixteen years ago I moved into this house and the small front garden was covered over in red tiles. On learning that there was substantial hardcore under the tiles I decided not to dig them up, so I heaped about 18 to 20 inches of soil *on top* of the tiles. I then planted this pine tree in the photo, (see tinypic link) believing that the roots would merely travel along *on top* of the tiles. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=651wgg&s=5 Recently a tree man knocked at the door and said he thought that almost certainly the roots have found there way downwards through the tiles. If this is the case I'm worried about the house foundations since the tree is so very near the front wall. Would anyone kindly explain to a complete novice what would be the basic steps I should now take in dealing with this tree which might be a serious threat to the house. Thanks. Take some advice from a proper tree surgeon rather than an Irish traveller who is interested in taking your money. Tina GMTA. :-) Travellers are a proper nuisance here, they want to prune my conifers or offer to take away "my old car" or replace my drive which I spent a lot of money on 5 years ago. My old car? The one I use every day FGS. Tina |
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