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Brambles and nettles.
OG wrote:
And surely it would be illegal without the permission of the land owner/occupier. I assumed he was the landowner. Clearly using weed killer on someone else's property without permission would be illegal. Regarding wiping out the nettles, personally I'd have no problem doing that. It is simply weeding of a fruit or vegetable patch like any other. I don't let weeds grow amongst my vegetables. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
Brambles and nettles.
Martin wrote:
but you should be giving priority to propagating cabbage whites :) I seem to be responsible for propagating lots of those and other butterflies and moths too. I'm also responsible for propagating several wood pigeons. :-( We do actually have a wild area, approx 100 feet by 40 feet, which is full of self set trees, shrubs, brambles, nettles, dog daisies and various other wild flowers. I chose to purposely leave this as a wildlife haven. It is untouched by human hand. In fact it is also quite impenetrable (for humans) too due to the tangle of trees, brambles and nettles. The French man with a JCB was totally baffled by my insistence on leaving this part un-cleared. Around half an acre had been left to run wild for at least twenty years which we reclaimed as garden and orchard area except for this bit. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
Brambles and nettles.
On 26 June, 10:13, "OG" wrote:
"David in Normandy" wrote in . fr... Sleepalot wrote: Our ancestors used to hunt mammoth with little more than pointed sticks! Mammoth were easy. Have you ever seen cave paintings with the cavemen carrying sacks of blackberries to make wine? Never happened, far too hard for them, all those stinging nettles. ;-) To the OP, I think any weedkiller strong enough to kill off the nettles would be a possible health hazard to anyone eating (drinking) the blackberries. You could always use glyphosate one year, that would kill off the nettles but only make the blackberries miserable, then the following year there should only be the recovered blackberry bushes with no nettles. Blackberry bushes are not killed with a single treatment of glyphosate. Am I the only one appalled at the idea of trashing a species rich piece of wild growth just so the OP isn't inconvenienced whilst gathering free brambles? And surely it would be illegal without the permission of the land owner/occupier. Don't make me sound like a vandal. Your extreme reply is full of political correctness and empty of reality. The ground in question is a piece of natural ground which has a plentiful supply of brambles - and unfortunately nettles too. As far as I know, stinging nettles aren't on the endangered list and are far from it as I can testify from the condition of my hands last year when I picked the brambles in the same spot. If you want to get up on your politically correect horse then fine - but don't use words like "trashing" when referring to my proposed actions. Im weeding the nettles out of the area to gain access to brambles - nothing more. Don't you weed the nettles out of your garden? Stick your head out of the window once in a while and go visit the countryside - you'll have a better idea of the reality of life that way. McKevvy |
Brambles and nettles.
"McKevvy" wrote in message ... On 26 June, 10:13, "OG" wrote: "David in Normandy" wrote in . fr... Sleepalot wrote: Our ancestors used to hunt mammoth with little more than pointed sticks! Mammoth were easy. Have you ever seen cave paintings with the cavemen carrying sacks of blackberries to make wine? Never happened, far too hard for them, all those stinging nettles. ;-) To the OP, I think any weedkiller strong enough to kill off the nettles would be a possible health hazard to anyone eating (drinking) the blackberries. You could always use glyphosate one year, that would kill off the nettles but only make the blackberries miserable, then the following year there should only be the recovered blackberry bushes with no nettles. Blackberry bushes are not killed with a single treatment of glyphosate. Am I the only one appalled at the idea of trashing a species rich piece of wild growth just so the OP isn't inconvenienced whilst gathering free brambles? And surely it would be illegal without the permission of the land owner/occupier. Don't make me sound like a vandal. Your extreme reply is full of political correctness and empty of reality. The ground in question is a piece of natural ground which has a plentiful supply of brambles - and unfortunately nettles too. As far as I know, stinging nettles aren't on the endangered list and are far from it as I can testify from the condition of my hands last year when I picked the brambles in the same spot. If you want to get up on your politically correect horse then fine - but don't use words like "trashing" when referring to my proposed actions. Im weeding the nettles out of the area to gain access to brambles - nothing more. Don't you weed the nettles out of your garden? Stick your head out of the window once in a while and go visit the countryside - you'll have a better idea of the reality of life that way. Oh, that must have struck a nerve! |
Brambles and nettles.
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McKevvy wrote: Stick your head out of the window once in a while and go visit the countryside - you'll have a better idea of the reality of life that way. Yes, it's being increasingly taken over by townee wimps, and one of the first things that they do is to try to turn the countryside into an urban park. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Brambles and nettles.
"McKevvy" wrote in message ... On 26 June, 10:13, "OG" wrote: "David in Normandy" wrote in . fr... Sleepalot wrote: Our ancestors used to hunt mammoth with little more than pointed sticks! Mammoth were easy. Have you ever seen cave paintings with the cavemen carrying sacks of blackberries to make wine? Never happened, far too hard for them, all those stinging nettles. ;-) To the OP, I think any weedkiller strong enough to kill off the nettles would be a possible health hazard to anyone eating (drinking) the blackberries. You could always use glyphosate one year, that would kill off the nettles but only make the blackberries miserable, then the following year there should only be the recovered blackberry bushes with no nettles. Blackberry bushes are not killed with a single treatment of glyphosate. Am I the only one appalled at the idea of trashing a species rich piece of wild growth just so the OP isn't inconvenienced whilst gathering free brambles? And surely it would be illegal without the permission of the land owner/occupier. Don't make me sound like a vandal. Your extreme reply is full of political correctness and empty of reality. The ground in question is a piece of natural ground which has a plentiful supply of brambles - and unfortunately nettles too. As far as I know, stinging nettles aren't on the endangered list and are far from it as I can testify from the condition of my hands last year when I picked the brambles in the same spot. If you want to get up on your politically correect horse then fine - but don't use words like "trashing" when referring to my proposed actions. Im weeding the nettles out of the area to gain access to brambles - nothing more. Don't you weed the nettles out of your garden? Stick your head out of the window once in a while and go visit the countryside - you'll have a better idea of the reality of life that way. McKevvy I confess I stand with OG on this. You may not mean to vandalise the countryside, but that would be the effect of spraying herbicide in a wild place. Surely you could reach the brambles by simply trampling the nettles (which would allow them to grow from the roots again) or you could cut the nettles back before picking. The latter option would actually benefit wildlife, as the creatures who are attracted to nettles generally prefer the new young growth which follows cutting back. The other important consideration is that your herbicide spray would almost certainly kill smaller, frailer - possibly threatened - plants. I do recognise your pleasure in brambling and making wine. It is an age-old country practice and part of our culture. However, I and many others enjoy seeing nettles with butterflies and caterpillars (depending on season) when walking in the country. Please, consider a gentler approach to your otherwise acceptable harvesting. The countryside does not need weeding like a garden - it *occasionally* needs sensitive management. I'm sure one of the above options would suit your needs and allow you to enjoy your wine with an easy conscience. Spider |
Brambles and nettles.
McKevvy wrote:
On 26 June, 10:13, "OG" wrote: "David in Normandy" wrote in . fr... Sleepalot wrote: Our ancestors used to hunt mammoth with little more than pointed sticks! Mammoth were easy. Have you ever seen cave paintings with the cavemen carrying sacks of blackberries to make wine? Never happened, far too hard for them, all those stinging nettles. ;-) To the OP, I think any weedkiller strong enough to kill off the nettles would be a possible health hazard to anyone eating (drinking) the blackberries. You could always use glyphosate one year, that would kill off the nettles but only make the blackberries miserable, then the following year there should only be the recovered blackberry bushes with no nettles. Blackberry bushes are not killed with a single treatment of glyphosate. Am I the only one appalled at the idea of trashing a species rich piece of wild growth just so the OP isn't inconvenienced whilst gathering free brambles? And surely it would be illegal without the permission of the land owner/occupier. Don't make me sound like a vandal. Your extreme reply is full of political correctness and empty of reality. .... If you want to get up on your politically correect horse then fine - but don't use words like "trashing" when referring to my proposed actions. .... Stick your head out of the window once in a while and go visit the countryside - you'll have a better idea of the reality of life that way. McKevvy Surely the 'politically correct' response is "Nobody should object to McKevvy from doing what he wants to do. Any objections stand in the way of his personal fulfillment and growth; environmental and legalistic objections to his proposed actions are paternalistic and outmoded. Any questioning of his right to spread weedkiller any the land that he chooses is a denial of his human rights in that ownership of the currently neglected land is irrelevant and if he he chooses to subdue and subsequently harvest it, this is his right as an oppressed* member of the rural community**." *Provide details of current location, social level income, housing, etc and I'm sure we can identify some level of social deprivation that will excuse your wish to stick 2 fingers up to the environment ** even if you live in a village or town, I'm sure the PC brigade will be able to come up with some excuse for you doing what the hell you choose. It'll probably help if you failed your A levels (gender orientation can help too). |
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Brambles and nettles.
McKevvy writes
Don't make me sound like a vandal. Your extreme reply is full of political correctness and empty of reality. The ground in question is a piece of natural ground which has a plentiful supply of brambles - and unfortunately nettles too. As far as I know, stinging nettles aren't on the endangered list No they're not - they're one of the species which is increasing as a result of rising nutrient levels. But without hand weeding, any weedkiller you use is going to take out anything else there may be in there besides the nettles and brambles. and are far from it as I can testify from the condition of my hands last year when I picked the brambles in the same spot. If you want to get up on your politically correect horse then fine - but don't use words like "trashing" when referring to my proposed actions. Im weeding the nettles out of the area to gain access to brambles - nothing more. Don't you weed the nettles out of your garden? But you are talking about 'natural ground' rather than a garden, are you not? -- Kay |
Brambles and nettles.
McKevvy wrote:
Hi everyone. Im a keen winemaker and I've found a spot where wild brambles are growing with abundance [1}. As a winemaker this is a great delight to me. However in one large part of the area, the brambles are interspersed with nettle (the soft stingy type where the tip breaks off and injects its poison). Is it possible to use a weedkiller to kill these off without afecting the brambles? If so, can anyone recommend a brand? Don't do that - pick them too, they make a lovely white wine, especially when young. |
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