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Datura - poisonous
newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous
- but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks, people. |
Datura - poisonous
According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the
plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once. Best of luck. Let us know if you survive. R. "hound" wrote in message o.uk... newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks, people. |
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"Ragnar" wrote in message
... According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once. Best of luck. Let us know if you survive. If you don't, flowers or donation to a charity? -- Mike The Royal Naval Electrical Branch Association www.rneba.org.uk |
Datura - poisonous
hound wrote:
newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? It isn't quite that dangerous although don't lick your fingers. The smell of datura sap is enough to put most people off eating it. I have used the prolific seeds from mine in the past as greenhouse rodent bait. The perfume from the flowers is divine on a warm evening. They grow all over the continent as council bedding plants (but then so do oleander and castor oil plants and they really are dangerous). I don't think there are many plants that are in the serious contact poison class apart from those that express urushiol (poison ivy etc). A fair number will give you a nasty rash though and many things are toxic if ingested. There is an interesting poisonous plant garden at Alnwick castle - some of the nastier ones are well away from the path. http://www.alnwickgarden.com/thegard...-poison-garden They only allow guided tours and it is fully enclosed by fences. Regards, Martin Brown |
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"hound" wrote newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? My sis-in-law swallowed a very small piece whilst pruning her Brugmansia (prev. Datura), don't ask! She soon started to shake and feel unwell/strange and on my insistence phoned the Hospital who put her onto some specialist poisons clinic in London. They continued to phone her every 15 minutes for many hours to monitor the situation and wouldn't let her go to bed insisting she stayed awake. So obviously not lethal in small doses (usually) but you will be rather unwell, feel dreadful, spaced out, and you will need medical help immediately, reported to be what the Aztecs and others used to subdue human sacrifice victims. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
Datura - poisonous
Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect,
and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! |
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On Jul 7, 5:37*pm, "Bob Hobden" wrote:
"hound" *wrote newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? My sis-in-law swallowed a very small piece whilst pruning her Brugmansia (prev. Datura), don't ask! She soon started to shake and feel unwell/strange and on my insistence phoned the Hospital who put her onto some specialist poisons clinic in London. They continued to phone her every 15 minutes for many hours to monitor the situation and wouldn't let her go to bed insisting she stayed awake. So obviously not lethal in small doses (usually) but you will be rather unwell, feel dreadful, spaced out, and you will need medical help immediately, reported to be what the Aztecs and others used to subdue human sacrifice victims. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London Bob, as you know I have white Datura, I love it. When I handle the seed pods in November, I wear gloves. I break open the ripe pods, sprinkle a load in the lower barn and elsewhere, it keeps the vermin down. I have sent a load of seed to several urglers and if anyone wants a beautiful pure white hardy (true) Datura, let me know and I will save seed for you this Autumn. Judith |
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On 2009-07-07 22:03:10 +0100, hound said:
Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Nobody there called Dougal, is there? ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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On Jul 7, 11:17*pm, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from Judith in France contains these words: Bob, as you know I have white Datura, ... if anyone wants a beautiful pure white hardy (true) Datura, let me know and I will save seed for you this Autumn. * *Hardy Datura? It survives being left out all winter, in the ice and snow? * *Janet Janet, I'm surprised at you, can't you remembered it was identified by David Poole I think, now his opinion I respect. It is a true Datura, and, of course, it does not live above ground in Winter; duh, Janet it springs up from very deep roots, all top growth down to a few inches rots away. Of course it sets seeds everywhere which are now coming up, in grabel, everywhere. Now I must Google to see who definitely odentified it as a true Datura, not some of the stuff that is sold as Datura, or maybe as you are so good at Googling you could do so and repost it, many thanks :-) |
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On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum
wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith |
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, says... On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith Cherry Laural contains cyanide -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham
wrote: In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6- , says... On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith Cherry Laural contains cyanide -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea Oooer!!!!!!!! I get a rash when I cut laurel! I also get a rash touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening jobs? Judith |
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On Jul 8, 9:28*pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote: In article 3652a796-716c-451c-b2e2- , says... On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6- , says... On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith Cherry Laural contains cyanide -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea Oooer!!!!!!!! *I get a rash when I cut laurel! *I also get a rash touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening jobs? Judith I think the amounts involved are not that large so you would have to consume some quantity rather than just come in contact with -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea I will keep my mouth firmly shut Charlie. Judith |
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"Judith in France" wrote I will keep my mouth firmly shut Charlie. Especially when you prune it, unlike my sis-in-law. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
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In message , Charlie
Pridham writes In article 3652a796-716c-451c-b2e2- , says... On Jul 8, 11:41*am, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6- , says... On Jul 8, 8:38*am, echinosum wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith Cherry Laural contains cyanide -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea Oooer!!!!!!!! I get a rash when I cut laurel! I also get a rash touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening jobs? Judith I think the amounts involved are not that large so you would have to consume some quantity rather than just come in contact with Are we still talking about Datura? or have you switched to Prunus laurocerasus? Datura is highly toxic - in the Nerium/Atropa/Abra/Ricinus category. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Charlie Pridham writes In article 3652a796-716c-451c-b2e2- , says... On Jul 8, 11:41 am, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article 1c733797-269f-4296-9fd6- , says... On Jul 8, 8:38 am, echinosum wrote: hound;855051 Wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well there are plenty of wee beasties that can happily eat death-cap mushroom, but a mouthful is enough to kill a human. But put said wee beasties in a jam jar with a few crushed laurel leaves, put the lid on, and they'll soon be dead. -- echinosum Does it contain arsenic or some such poison? Judith Cherry Laural contains cyanide -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea Oooer!!!!!!!! I get a rash when I cut laurel! I also get a rash touching borage, juniper and other stuff, hopefully there is nothing that can be transferred via the hand, i.e. during normal gardening jobs? Judith I think the amounts involved are not that large so you would have to consume some quantity rather than just come in contact with Are we still talking about Datura? or have you switched to Prunus laurocerasus? Datura is highly toxic - in the Nerium/Atropa/Abra/Ricinus category. That's a strange mix of Families and pharmacological class! Atropine is pretty benign compared to abrin and ricin. -- Jeff |
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hound wrote:
Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well, I am still alive, and my Datura is marvellous. Very fragrant. Thanks everyone. |
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hound wrote in
o.uk: hound wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well, I am still alive, and my Datura is marvellous. Very fragrant. Thanks everyone. I'm pretty sure when I was a kid living in Malaya, that Datura was used as a kind of hemp or cannabis drug by the natives. Memory may be wrong though. -- The above post may contain traces of irony |
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In message , Tunku
writes hound wrote in news:seqdnaRsMqG5tAHXnZ2dnUVZ8i9i4p2d@brightview. co.uk: hound wrote: Thank you all for your useful answers. I'll just treat it with respect, and not lick my fingers after handling it. The local snails seem quite happy to eat it, and a caterpillar is making its cocoon inside a leaf that it has rolled up!!! Well, I am still alive, and my Datura is marvellous. Very fragrant. Thanks everyone. I'm pretty sure when I was a kid living in Malaya, that Datura was used as a kind of hemp or cannabis drug by the natives. Memory may be wrong though. Datura stramonium is sometimes used as a recreational drug. This doesn't alter the fact that it is one of the most toxic plants around. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Ragnar wrote:
According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once. Best of luck. Let us know if you survive. R. "hound" wrote in message o.uk... newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks, people. But the juice is pretty nasty if it gets on the skin. Lovely scent and good for attracting bees. -- Rusty |
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Rusty Hinge writes
Ragnar wrote: According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once. Best of luck. Let us know if you survive. R. "hound" wrote in message news:I5GdncfIPsKx8M7XnZ2dnUVZ8iOdnZ2d@brightview .co.uk... newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks, people. But the juice is pretty nasty if it gets on the skin. Lovely scent and good for attracting bees. I don't have to wash after pruning Datura, but I did get a rash from Euphorbia last summer. So for me it's not as irritant as Euphorbia. (It's not as irritant as bosenberry come to that). But people vary immensely in what they are sensitive to and to what extent. Various Daturas are used to produce hallucinogenic effects, so I wouldn't advise eating it. -- Kay |
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Euphorbia can be incredibly dangerous. I know one florist who was temporarily blinded after handling it. She still has problems years later. |
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K wrote:
Rusty Hinge writes Ragnar wrote: According to Wikipedia it is potentially fatal IF INGESTED, so touching the plant should not be harmful. If you have pets be sure to pick up fallen leaves. If it sets seed pods remove them at once. Best of luck. Let us know if you survive. R. The smell alone is enough to put most people off it. The plant smells unpleasant when bruised or sap is released. The flowers smell divine in the late summer evenings which makes them worth growing. "hound" wrote in message o.uk... newish here - so after some sensible advice. I know Datura is poisonous - but how poisonous? I'm not going to be eating it!!!!, but do I have to wash my skin if I touch it by mistake, or is it not so dangerous? Thanks, people. It is a pretty good idea to wash hands and anything that comes into contact with it. It is mainly dangerous by ingestion, but I once had a hint that prolonged skin contact was not such a good idea. But the juice is pretty nasty if it gets on the skin. Lovely scent and good for attracting bees. I don't have to wash after pruning Datura, but I did get a rash from Euphorbia last summer. So for me it's not as irritant as Euphorbia. (It's not as irritant as bosenberry come to that). But people vary immensely in what they are sensitive to and to what extent. You don't get a rash but you can get light headed from getting the sap on you. The seeds make a very potent rodent killer in the greenhouse. Various Daturas are used to produce hallucinogenic effects, so I wouldn't advise eating it. The threshold between interesting effects and death is rather narrow which is why the plant is banned in some jurisdictions. Regards, Martin Brown |
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