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glyphosate and councils
A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed
glyphosate randomly about by the look of it My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done |
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glyphosate and councils
tony kitching wrote:
The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg Glyphosate cannot tell the difference between weeds, flowers or veg and will kill them all equally well. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
glyphosate and councils
"tony kitching" wrote A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done Do you live in a Council House and ask them to control some weeds for you? I don't understand what a Council worker was doing on your property uninvited otherwise. Glyphosate will kill any green plant it touches, I certainly would not eat any plant exposed to it. That said it does disintegrate on contact with the soil so there is no serious lasting damage to your garden only to the plants in it. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
glyphosate and councils
David in Normandy writes
tony kitching wrote: The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg Glyphosate cannot tell the difference between weeds, flowers or veg and will kill them all equally well. And the instructions tell you not to spray in windy weather because of spray drift. It may not have been glyphosate, it may have been some other weedkiller, but the same still applies. -- Kay |
glyphosate and councils
tony kitching wrote:
A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it Pure glyphosate is about as poisonous weight for weight as the caffeine in instant coffee. It is the wetting agents in the commercial weedkiller formulations that are a bit nasty. My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. How long did it take to show damage? Glyphosate is typically slow acting and new growth yellows gradually over a two week period. Most of the other common weedkillers are faster acting with the top growth burning up and dessicating in sunshine or distorting wildly. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. What were the council workers doing on your land anyway? The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg OK. So we have positive proof that their spokesman is clueless. He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path On paths they usually tend to use something more aggressive and persistent with a germination inhibitor. Glyphosate might have been used but it would not be my first choice for weeds on a path. If they did it on a windy day and your CCTV shows that clearly then take it to the Health and Safety. It is irresponsible to spray in windy conditions and a certified operative should know that. How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? Expensively. Any contract ultratrace analysis lab will do it for a price. I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime Hard to say that this was due to pesticide residues. I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done Local papers and/or regional TV news with photos are your best bet. Regards, Martin Brown |
glyphosate and councils
On 18 Aug, 22:39, Martin Brown
wrote: tony kitching wrote: A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it Pure glyphosate is about as poisonous weight for weight as the caffeine in instant coffee. It is the wetting agents in the commercial weedkiller formulations that are a bit nasty. My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. How long did it take to show damage? Glyphosate is typically slow acting and new growth yellows gradually over a two week period. Most of the other common weedkillers are faster acting with the top growth burning up and dessicating in sunshine or distorting wildly. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. What were the council workers doing on your land anyway? The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg OK. So we have positive proof that their spokesman is clueless. He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path On paths they usually tend to use something more aggressive and persistent with a germination inhibitor. Glyphosate might have been used but it would not be my first choice for weeds on a path. If they did it on a windy day and your CCTV shows that clearly then take it to the Health and Safety. It is irresponsible to spray in windy conditions and a certified operative should know that. How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? Expensively. Any contract ultratrace analysis lab will do it for a price. I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime Hard to say that this was due to pesticide residues. I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done Local papers and/or regional TV news with photos are your best bet. Regards, Martin Brown Contact DEFRA they should be able to advise http://www.defra.gov.uk/ David Hill |
glyphosate and councils
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:39:20 +0100, Martin Brown
wrote: tony kitching wrote: A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it Pure glyphosate is about as poisonous weight for weight as the caffeine in instant coffee. It is the wetting agents in the commercial weedkiller formulations that are a bit nasty. My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. How long did it take to show damage? Glyphosate is typically slow acting and new growth yellows gradually over a two week period. Most of the other common weedkillers are faster acting with the top growth burning up and dessicating in sunshine or distorting wildly. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. What were the council workers doing on your land anyway? The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg OK. So we have positive proof that their spokesman is clueless. He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path On paths they usually tend to use something more aggressive and persistent with a germination inhibitor. Glyphosate might have been used but it would not be my first choice for weeds on a path. If they did it on a windy day and your CCTV shows that clearly then take it to the Health and Safety. It is irresponsible to spray in windy conditions and a certified operative should know that. How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? Expensively. Any contract ultratrace analysis lab will do it for a price. I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime Hard to say that this was due to pesticide residues. I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done Local papers and/or regional TV news with photos are your best bet. Regards, Martin Brown I have worked for a council (no selective weed killers) and in agriculture and my experience of the active ingrediant glyphosphate commonly used in Roundup is wide. I have seen where council workers sprayed under hedge bottoms and managed to catch people's lawns and flowers. They will have a licence to spray, but perhaps not the will to follow what they have been qualified to do. You can see the effect of spraying within 12 hrs if you look closely at leaves.The waxy sheen goes dull. You can spray grassland and leave it for 4 days before ploughing in and you know it will not come back. Mike P |
glyphosate and councils
Mike wrote:
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:39:20 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: tony kitching wrote: A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it Pure glyphosate is about as poisonous weight for weight as the caffeine in instant coffee. It is the wetting agents in the commercial weedkiller formulations that are a bit nasty. I have worked for a council (no selective weed killers) and in agriculture and my experience of the active ingrediant glyphosphate commonly used in Roundup is wide. Surprised they don't use something more suitable on paths. I guess because glyphosate is so lethal to plants and otherwise relatively benign they use it for everything. The need to spray is much reduced when a weedkiller is used with a germination inhibitor that lasts for a season. I have seen where council workers sprayed under hedge bottoms and managed to catch people's lawns and flowers. They will have a licence to spray, but perhaps not the will to follow what they have been qualified to do. You can see the effect of spraying within 12 hrs if you look closely at leaves.The waxy sheen goes dull. That is the effect of the powerful surfactants on the waxy coating. I have found ivy and holly seedlings that have a thick waxy coat can resist it. Buttercup sometimes recovers for reasons that escape me. You can spray grassland and leave it for 4 days before ploughing in and you know it will not come back. Although usually it gets left for a bit longer. It goes a characteristic yellow-orange colour. Grass is exquisitely sensitive to overspray or having traces on the edge of your boots leaving outline of dead grass. Regards, Martin Brown |
glyphosate and councils
Le Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:58:17 -0700 (PDT), Dave Hill a écrit :
Local papers and/or regional TV news with photos are your best bet. And your insurance company. It's a damage you have to make a declaration. -- Salut la compagnie Mon Beau Jardin est derrière La Grille Verte http://www.la-grille-verte.net |
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I have contacted defra and they have the cctv footage I'm sure the met office will have the wind speed direction for that day The council told me they use this product http://www.barclay.ie/media/11626/di...0for%20web.pdf The man I was in contact has told me he can't help anymore. He did admit his ignorance He was being told what to say by someone in the department that did this I was told that the council had a work order in place to treat my path but this man didn't put any weed killer on the path I would not want any of this stuff in my garden This year I'm almost completely organic |
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email sent to defra hopefully they can help |
glyphosate and councils
"tony kitching" wrote in message ... A council worked arrived at my garden 30th July on a windy day and sprayed glyphosate randomly about by the look of it My herbs and flowers were the first to show damage and some flowers look like they are completely dead. I caught all of the spraying on CCTV and sent it to the council. The man I spoke to said that the spray only kills weeds and will not affect my veg He then said it was safe to eat my veg because the department that are responsible said it was sprayed on the path How do I get the dead plants tested for the weed killer ? I think his advise was not very good and I did use some sage that had been sprayed the same day and my gums were bleeding when I brushed them at bedtime I had a swollen gum for a few days Citizens advice have given me an appointment, so I'll have to wait and see if anything can be done I suggest you write to the council and state what happened. Make clear what damage was caused and what exactly you expect the Council to do. Presumably you want financial compensation for the plants. If so, let them know how much you want. If they get a claim for a modest/reasonable amount then they are more likely to pay it just to get shot of you. A routine third party claim in their eyes. I would leave out your bleeding gums unless you have proof. If you don't put a price on your complaint, what can they do? They arn't going to make an offer. mark |
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I did not include the council worker one http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9246380&ref=mf http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9246380&ref=mf http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9246380&ref=mf http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...9246380&ref=mf |
glyphosate and councils
I suggest you write to the council and state what happened. Make clear what damage was caused and what exactly you expect the Council to do. Presumably you want financial compensation for the plants. If so, let them know how much you want. Remember it's not the cost of the seeds or plants that went into the garden, it's the cost to get you back where you were. Flowers will be cost of suitable replacement (but don't use it as a way of improving the garden or stocking up on expensive stuff). Herbs you'll have to buy new plants, veg you may put a sum in for lost crops if you don't feel able to eat them - mentioning you are gardening on organic principles would be sensible here. But as Mark says, don't over-egg it. If they think you're trying to make a profit over the incident they'll turn you down flat, and it will cause you no end of a hassle trying to get anywhere. -- Kay |
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