Rats and Hedgehogs
Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from
visiting the garden? I have both :( |
Rats and Hedgehogs
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:
Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. hth |
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"Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out. |
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"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. mark |
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"mark" wrote in message o.uk... "lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. I agree with that except for the bit which says the pest control officers will get rid of them for free, we had to pay a large sum to have them come and get rid of those we had. Alan |
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"alan.holmes" wrote in message ... "mark" wrote in message o.uk... "lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. I agree with that except for the bit which says the pest control officers will get rid of them for free, we had to pay a large sum to have them come and get rid of those we had. Alan It's a non chargeable service in this neck of the woods. Some info about rats: http://www.broadland.gov.uk/environment/1080.asp mark |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark"
wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed. The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we have not caught on yet. I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far from the trees. |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote:
Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( ps peeing doesnt deter them :( mind you I have not seen neighbours cats for a while :) |
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"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed. The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we have not caught on yet. I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far from the trees. So by your own argument why do you want to deter rats? mark |
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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:36:31 +0100, "mark"
wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. In fact the world can be a flilthy place and much of it down to ourselves. I find washing your hands regularly and the food preperation surfaces will suffice. Fingers crossed. The pest control hype continues to rake in billions, I'm surprised we have not caught on yet. I don't see how one can complain about rats and yet ignore the other wildlife and insects. Even the soil with it's natural toxins. We can't run away from everything. Makes you wonder how we ever got this far from the trees. So by your own argument why do you want to deter rats? They give me the heebie jeebies, probably as a result of years of bad unjustified press. Mind you many have them as pets, and they are very intelligent animals. I don't mind the odd few clearing up the scraps from my seed feeders, and I certainly don't mind seeing them as wild creatures. It would be nice to put down some groundfood for the hedgehogs and other ground feeders, but I don't wish to encourage too many rats. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:31:54 +0100, lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( ps peeing doesnt deter them :( mind you I have not seen neighbours cats for a while :) come to think of it I have not seen the neighbours either! |
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That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out.[/quote] If you can come up with a way to discourage rats, you will be a millionaire before you know it. They are vermin, carrying and transmitting dirt and disease, and are the last thing you want in your home. Maybe you have never met one face to face in a cupboard? As to feral children - that's another kettle of fish. Parents who care is the first stage. |
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:06:54 +0100, beccabunga
wrote: That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out. If you can come up with a way to discourage rats, you will be a millionaire before you know it. They are vermin, carrying and transmitting dirt and disease, and are the last thing you want in your home.[/i][/color] That would apply to many creatures including humans I guess. Maybe you have never met one face to face in a cupboard? Quite right just 99.99999% of us. Perish the thought. Though the problem is in the garden not the cupboards. As to feral children - that's another kettle of fish. Parents who care is the first stage. |
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On Oct 2, 10:22*pm, lloyd wrote:
Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle6860067.ece |
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp
wrote: On Oct 2, 10:22*pm, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. I only realised I had hedgehogs when what I thought was a rat did not scarper when the security light came on. On closer inspection it was a hog :) Now im on the subject for quite some time i have noticed what looked like long streaks of slimy black poo that had gone hard. Could this be a hedgehog I wonder? Baffled me for some time that one. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; That did not work, what was it? |
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On Oct 4, 5:55*pm, lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 2, 10:22*pm, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. I only realised I had *hedgehogs when what I thought was a rat did not scarper when the security light came on. On closer inspection it was a hog :) Now im on the subject for quite some time i have noticed what looked like long streaks of slimy black poo that had gone hard. Could this be a hedgehog I wonder? Amost certainly. Baffled me for some time that one. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; That did not work, what was it? "Help, quick – I’ve unscrewed the top on a ticking bomb" by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Times newspaper (e-edition) The item he mentions is called "limited-edition Insanity private reserve" |
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:43:29 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp
wrote: On Oct 4, 5:55*pm, lloyd wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 2, 10:22*pm, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. I only realised I had *hedgehogs when what I thought was a rat did not scarper when the security light came on. On closer inspection it was a hog :) Now im on the subject for quite some time i have noticed what looked like long streaks of slimy black poo that had gone hard. Could this be a hedgehog I wonder? Amost certainly. Baffled me for some time that one. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; That did not work, what was it? "Help, quick – I’ve unscrewed the top on a ticking bomb" by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Times newspaper (e-edition) The item he mentions is called "limited-edition Insanity private reserve" LOL great article. I have heard that before about chilli not affecting birds, but what about hogs I wonder? |
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On Oct 4, 6:55*pm, lloyd wrote:
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:43:29 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 4, 5:55*pm, lloyd wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 2, 10:22*pm, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. I only realised I had *hedgehogs when what I thought was a rat did not scarper when the security light came on. On closer inspection it was a hog :) Now im on the subject for quite some time i have noticed what looked like long streaks of slimy black poo that had gone hard. Could this be a hedgehog I wonder? Amost certainly. Baffled me for some time that one. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; That did not work, what was it? "Help, quick – I’ve unscrewed the top on a ticking bomb" by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Times newspaper (e-edition) The item he mentions is called "limited-edition Insanity private reserve" LOL great article. I have heard that before about chilli not affecting birds, but what about hogs I wonder? I wouldn't like to try, but perhaps you can give it out in such a way that it is the rats tht will get it not the hog; BTW, someone here once mentioned something to the effect that the hogs can climb. i don't know if it's true, nor if so, how high compared to a rat. |
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lloyd wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:43:29 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: "Help, quick – I’ve unscrewed the top on a ticking bomb" by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Times newspaper (e-edition) The item he mentions is called "limited-edition Insanity private reserve" LOL great article. I have heard that before about chilli not affecting birds, but what about hogs I wonder? Road or hedge? Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:43:29 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 4, 5:55 pm, lloyd wrote: On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 08:43:46 -0700 (PDT), aquachimp wrote: On Oct 2, 10:22 pm, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( We have cats; they don't seem to mind the hedgehogs. In fact, one evening one of the hedgehogs came in 'for tea' and we ended up with one big cat and one little hedgehog eating from the same tray. Shortly thereafter, whilst the bigger cat was sitting to my right looking for scraps as I ate, the hedgehog was to the left . It was the strangest thing. Not seen him since though. I only realised I had hedgehogs when what I thought was a rat did not scarper when the security light came on. On closer inspection it was a hog :) Now im on the subject for quite some time i have noticed what looked like long streaks of slimy black poo that had gone hard. Could this be a hedgehog I wonder? Amost certainly. Baffled me for some time that one. We don't have rats. But, if we did and the cats were doing nowt about it, then I guess i would be tempted to try to see if the rats are partial to a bit of hot stuff; That did not work, what was it? "Help, quick - I've unscrewed the top on a ticking bomb" by Jeremy Clarkson in today's Times newspaper (e-edition) The item he mentions is called "limited-edition Insanity private reserve" LOL great article. I have heard that before about chilli not affecting birds, but what about hogs I wonder? So, what do you do with it to stop the rats? Alan |
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"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out. Oh, for goodness sake. I am obliged by law to control rats on my property, I can either poison them and see them wander around dying for days or get the terriers in to kill them in a second. Choose one of the above. What would you prefer? Tina |
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"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine and if you pick it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Why do you think the local council will come out to kill them for you? Tina |
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On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known to catch it. and if you pick it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Rubbish, though it can happen. Why do you think the local council will come out to kill them for you? Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies. The most gullible buyers are the public. |
Rats and Hedgehogs
On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:36:04 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out. Oh, for goodness sake. I am obliged by law to control rats on my property, The law requires the control of infestations, not just of rats but many other creatures. A couple of rats is not an infestation. I can either poison them and see them wander around dying for days or get the terriers in to kill them in a second. Choose one of the above. I don't need to control the rats I have, neither do the majority of us. Poison is indiscriminate, cruel and kills many non target species. Setting dogs on any animal is sheer lunacy and downright weird! Unless of course you get a kick out of being horrid. What would you prefer? Neither.As I said I wanted to deter them not wipe out the entire species. Rats like lots of wildlife do lots of good in scavenging food sources that could go on to create worse problems if left alone. We can't simply go round killing anything we don't like or we'd have nothing but war throughout the world. Silly me we already have! When will we learn? |
Rats and Hedgehogs
"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message m... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known to catch it. and if you pick it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Rubbish, though it can happen. Why do you think the local council will come out to kill them for you? Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies. The most gullible buyers are the public. Are you serious? Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard for them as they are so clever) the council come out to kill them because they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes! I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a second" method of the terriers. |
Rats and Hedgehogs
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:38 +0100, "Christina Websell"
wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message om... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known to catch it. and if you pick it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Rubbish, though it can happen. Why do you think the local council will come out to kill them for you? Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies. The most gullible buyers are the public. Are you serious? Of course I am. Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard for them as they are so clever) Granted. the council come out to kill them because they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes! When was the last time our councils ever paid for anything that benefits the residents! I suspect somewhere along the line road builders and pest control are paying out huge backhander's in order to fleece the gullible. Rats are no more or less dirty than most other wildlife, and much less than things that grow in our soils. You seem to have snipped the bit about the law and infestations, I'm sure an error on your part but worth mentioning we are talking about neither in most cases here. I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a second" method of the terriers. You logic is flawed. If the rats are so dangerous and dirty why would we let our dogs risk catching what we don't want to catch? Apart from it's terribly cruel especially against an animal that did nothing wrong. I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. |
Rats and Hedgehogs
On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote:
That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a good terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that hounds shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh! |
Rats and Hedgehogs
"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:38 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:46:00 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message m... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, "mark" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message news:ec4fc51168aad917h8oapp3oid74dfq4qt@4ax. com... On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health No more so than many other animals or insects such as hedgehogs, pigeons, flies, deer. Yes, they are, they carry Weils disease through their urine No *they* don't. They *can* carry it but then so can many animals including dogs and cats. Even slaughterhouse workers have been known to catch it. and if you pick it up from them you can kiss your kidneys goodbye. Rubbish, though it can happen. Why do you think the local council will come out to kill them for you? Old habits die hard and I suppose they need to waste our taxes on something. The best salesmen in the world are pest control companies. The most gullible buyers are the public. Are you serious? Of course I am. Whether you like rats or not (and I have a sneaking regard for them as they are so clever) Granted. the council come out to kill them because they are a danger to public health, not to waste your taxes! When was the last time our councils ever paid for anything that benefits the residents! I suspect somewhere along the line road builders and pest control are paying out huge backhander's in order to fleece the gullible. Rats are no more or less dirty than most other wildlife, and much less than things that grow in our soils. You seem to have snipped the bit about the law and infestations, I'm sure an error on your part but worth mentioning we are talking about neither in most cases here. I don't favour the poisoning method they use, I prefer the "gone in a second" method of the terriers. You logic is flawed. If the rats are so dangerous and dirty why would we let our dogs risk catching what we don't want to catch? Apart from it's terribly cruel especially against an animal that did nothing wrong. I think we may have to agree to disagree on this one. Yes, my opinion is that I have to control them by law, so I choose the terriers rather than poison. Your opinion is that you like them, so we will agree to disagree on this. T |
Rats and Hedgehogs
"Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote: That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a good terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that hounds shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh! Derek, the choice is poison when they lie around dying for days, or terriers when they are gone in a second. I resent the fact that you think I find it "fun" I don't. I have poultry - and therefore rats. I will be in trouble with my local council if I do not control them. Perhaps you can suggest a better method? I'm all ears for your suggestions. Tina |
Rats and Hedgehogs
On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:33:29 +0100, Christina Websell wrote:
"Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:25:40 +0100, mark wrote: That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. They are not just rats though. They are a danger to health and that is why local authority pest control officers will come and get rid of them for free. Yes, but where's the fun in that? much more entertaining to watch a good terrier doing what it was bred for. Next you'll be telling me that hounds shouldn't kill foxes. Tchh! Derek, the choice is poison when they lie around dying for days, or terriers when they are gone in a second. I resent the fact that you think I find it "fun" I don't. I have poultry - and therefore rats. I will be in trouble with my local council if I do not control them. Perhaps you can suggest a better method? I'm all ears for your suggestions. Tina I have no suggestions. I think that using working dogs to do their work is the best way: and I really think that watching them is fun. 'Blood sports' AKA traditional pest control is not only effective but also good sport. I like to watch my gundogs do their job. YMMV. |
Rats and Hedgehogs
"lloyd" wrote in message ... On Sun, 4 Oct 2009 21:36:04 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "lloyd" wrote in message . .. On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 18:12:20 +0100, "Christina Websell" wrote: "Derek Turner" wrote in message ... On Fri, 02 Oct 2009 21:22:05 +0100, lloyd wrote: Anything we can do to encourage the hedgehogs, but not the rats from visiting the garden? I have both :( 1. Terrier from working lines. 2. Huge cat. Yes get some terrier men in.for your rats. Mine come about every six weeks to sort them out. I do have a huge cat, but he's a bit of a wuss about tackling the big ones with the brown chisel teeth. He sorts out the small ones, no problem, but those big ones, they're a job for the terriers, he claims ;-) And he's right. some of the big ones even give the terriers a run for their money, antiseptic needed to dab their bleeding noses where they've been well bitten by a big rat. They don't seem to mind though, it seems to make them more determined.. Tina That sounds completely horrid. Why should anyone want to kill a rat just because it's a rat, is that a crime for the poor beast to be a rat? And if you feel you really must kill them why do it in such a nasty way! I dread to think what you feel we should do with our feral children. I should like to discourage them, not wipe them out. Oh, for goodness sake. I am obliged by law to control rats on my property, The law requires the control of infestations, not just of rats but many other creatures. A couple of rats is not an infestation. I can either poison them and see them wander around dying for days or get the terriers in to kill them in a second. Choose one of the above. I don't need to control the rats I have, neither do the majority of us. Poison is indiscriminate, cruel and kills many non target species. Setting dogs on any animal is sheer lunacy and downright weird! Unless of course you get a kick out of being horrid. What would you prefer? Neither.As I said I wanted to deter them not wipe out the entire species. Rats like lots of wildlife do lots of good in scavenging food sources that could go on to create worse problems if left alone. We can't simply go round killing anything we don't like or we'd have nothing but war throughout the world. Silly me we already have! When will we learn? sigh you live in a town, don't you? Yes? Did I say I wanted to use poison? No. Did I say the local council told me if I had rats I had to control them by law? Yes. So I did, I get the terriers in every 4 weeks, it's either that or poison. Now poison is quite easy, you put it down and hope they die where you don't see them. Many will do, but lets not think it's an easy death. The poison thins their blood so every time they fight (and they do that a lot) or bruise themselves it's a long death. Oh, let the rats meet the terriers. Dead in half a second or get away completely. No dying for days of poison. I used to use poison for rats, I decided it was cruel. Takes them days to die and I never knew that. |
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