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To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 15, 5:08*pm, "alan.holmes" wrote:
"aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-14 15:38:19 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. |
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On 2009-11-15 16:08:29 +0000, "alan.holmes" said:
"aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-14 15:38:19 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! There is some stuff on salecannot remember the name but it is marketed as an organic accelerant for compost and costs a bomb, what I don't understand is why people pay for it when it obviously comes free! Alan That's the theory behind this, of course but it still doesn't explain why people need compost in *such* a hurry. ;-) -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon But, as already mentioned, if the compost acceleration is merely a by- product to savings on water usage (loo flushing) then the focus is environmental friendliness and not just to compost quickly The problem with that theory in respect of this material, is that it has to be diluted with water! Alan So dilute your water with whiskey. ;-)) -- Sacha |
To pee or not to pee?
"aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 15, 5:08 pm, "alan.holmes" wrote: "aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-14 15:38:19 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! There is some stuff on salecannot remember the name but it is marketed as an organic accelerant for compost and costs a bomb, what I don't understand is why people pay for it when it obviously comes free! Alan That's the theory behind this, of course but it still doesn't explain why people need compost in *such* a hurry. ;-) -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon But, as already mentioned, if the compost acceleration is merely a by- product to savings on water usage (loo flushing) then the focus is environmental friendliness and not just to compost quickly The problem with that theory in respect of this material, is that it has to be diluted with water! Alan Really, Are you saying that all those who like to pee on their compost have to bring a can of water with them as well? No, just that if you are stupid enough to buy this product from a garden centre you are instructed to dilute it with water. If I can remember I will have a look round the next GS I go to, to see if they have it. But don't bank on it, cos by the time I have pressed the 'send' button I will have forgotten all about it!(:-( Alan |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-11-15 16:08:29 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: "aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-14 15:38:19 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! There is some stuff on salecannot remember the name but it is marketed as an organic accelerant for compost and costs a bomb, what I don't understand is why people pay for it when it obviously comes free! Alan That's the theory behind this, of course but it still doesn't explain why people need compost in *such* a hurry. ;-) -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon But, as already mentioned, if the compost acceleration is merely a by- product to savings on water usage (loo flushing) then the focus is environmental friendliness and not just to compost quickly The problem with that theory in respect of this material, is that it has to be diluted with water! Alan So dilute your water with whiskey. ;-)) Now that is a good idea, why didn't I think of that, perhaps it is because I cannot think any more! Alan -- Sacha |
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Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-15 16:08:29 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: "aquachimp" wrote in message ... On Nov 14, 7:00 pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-14 15:38:19 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! There is some stuff on salecannot remember the name but it is marketed as an organic accelerant for compost and costs a bomb, what I don't understand is why people pay for it when it obviously comes free! Alan That's the theory behind this, of course but it still doesn't explain why people need compost in *such* a hurry. ;-) -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon But, as already mentioned, if the compost acceleration is merely a by- product to savings on water usage (loo flushing) then the focus is environmental friendliness and not just to compost quickly The problem with that theory in respect of this material, is that it has to be diluted with water! Alan So dilute your water with whiskey. ;-)) Aagghhh.........those two do not mix! Leave out the water ;) -- https://www.shop.helpforheroes.org.uk/ Pete C London UK |
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Gordon H wrote in
: In message , ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ writes On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:25:17 -0000, "alan.holmes" wrote: Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." It tastes rather salty. I've never tasted it yet, but if I were in a situation where no water was available I would do it without doubt. If you've tasted Double Diamond or Watney's you'll have a good idea of the taste. Or Budweiser... Ever tried Coors? Personally I think the Czech Bud is palatabble, and even the (cold) US stuff is OK in a hot climate. But Coors? Shudder |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
from Sacha contains these words: (snip) what flitted through my mind is how very careful some people are about not using animal manure that contains veterinary medicines. Many veterinary medicines used on herbivores, are intended to kill insect parasites, including intestinal worms in the colon. Faeces containing active ingredients could possibly reach and kill beneficial worms, insects and organisms in a compost heap. Interesting point. I use masses of horse manure in my garden (fresh and uncomposted) and have never asked the owner of the horses about her vermicide use. It's never bothered me and certainly doesn't seem to bother the worms who seem to respond very positively in both increasing numbers and size by the application of masses of the stuff. I've often wondered if the 'ban' on using manure in gardens because of vermicides is just an urban myth given that intestinal worms and earth worms would be two different species. I found this site which gives some info: http://santacruzwire.com/index.php/m...c-gardens.html (specifically about Ivermectin) but would like to know for sure now the subject has been raised. Would one of your vet contacts know for sure? |
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In message , K
writes aquachimp writes On Nov 14, 10:19*pm, Janet Baraclough wrote: * *I think it's just that this is one of many topics that have come up regularly for over a decade Just like worms for the compost bin, *there's only so much to be said and some have been saying it a long while. And sometimes it seems to be getting repeated to death by the same posters. It is quite good that some posters are willing to repeat the same advice over and over again, otherwise newbies would find their questions unanswered. I was peeing on my compost and in my watering can long before usenet was discovered by a callow youth. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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In message , Timothy Murphy
writes Gordon H wrote: I must admit that since I had a water meter installed, the motivation to "water" my compost heap has increased. It's a dreadful waste of drinkable water to flush a cistern full with every pee. I remember being told many years ago that the sewer system required a certain amount of water to pass through it, so cisterns served a necessary purpose. You are correct of course. On my property the surface water drains run into the sewage drains, so there is usually a reasonable flow, despite the arid Manchester climate. Let there be a drought in any town or city, and one suddenly becomes aware of the drains... -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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In message , alan.holmes
writes "Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-11-15 16:08:29 +0000, "alan.holmes" said: The problem with that theory in respect of this material, is that it has to be diluted with water! Alan So dilute your water with whiskey. ;-)) Now that is a good idea, why didn't I think of that, perhaps it is because I cannot think any more! Alan Does it have to be Irish Whiskey, or will Whisky serve the purpose? -- Gordon Mac'H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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In message , K It is quite good that some posters are willing to repeat the same advice over and over again, otherwise newbies would find their questions unanswered. ....and thank goodness for them, I say! |
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What ever is in the ground will be absorbed by the plant so I don't feel
urine is safe. I think the reason woman's pee is not used is because woman take a lot of prescriptions that have Hormones in them. When woman become of an advanced age they go through (midlife) changes that are only corrected by lots of hormone pills that stop woman from growing beards and becoming violent towards their husbands. I grow over 50 tomato plants in the summer and I'd never use any urine in the compost especially with hormones in it!. I believe if you'd like your compost pile to break down very fast you should use a few bottles of dark beer and tell the house boy or the gardener to turn over the compost pile a few extra times a day. I believe the best fertilizer in the world is worm castings but they are VERY expensive in the store. |
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In message , Janet Baraclough
writes The message from contains these words: What ever is in the ground will be absorbed by the plant so I don't feel urine is safe. I think the reason woman's pee is not used is because woman take a lot of prescriptions that have Hormones in them. When woman become of an advanced age they go through (midlife) changes that are only corrected by lots of hormone pills What a load of tripe. I think you are in need of a little medicinal correction yourself. Janet Quite. The National Trust article/publication or whatever inferred that women's pee is less effective and therefore less often used. Some practical research yesterday proved that I can irrigate my compost bin directly, out of view of anyone, thanks to the pampas grass which is in full splendour at present. :-) -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:22:18 GMT, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from contains these words: What ever is in the ground will be absorbed by the plant so I don't feel urine is safe. I think the reason woman's pee is not used is because woman take a lot of prescriptions that have Hormones in them. When woman become of an advanced age they go through (midlife) changes that are only corrected by lots of hormone pills What a load of tripe. I think you are in need of a little medicinal correction yourself. I agree with this poster -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ I came, I saw, I concurred. |
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On 2009-11-16 11:46:48 +0000, "Ophelia" said:
In message , K It is quite good that some posters are willing to repeat the same advice over and over again, otherwise newbies would find their questions unanswered. ...and thank goodness for them, I say! I think so. It's good to think of new gardeners coming along and getting answers, tips, hints, bit of hard-found wisdom etc. That's how the 'old' gardeners learned their craft. Proper gardeners, that is. My husband - 60 years a nurseryman, descendant of nurserymen - told me of an 'old boy' who said to him "listen to the old boys. They'll chatter on but every so often a little nugget will come your way and you'll have learned something." Well, he did listen and he learned and when asked, he passes on what he learned. That's gardening, not some J come lately who's all mouth and no trousers. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
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lid says... In message , Janet Baraclough writes The message from contains these words: What ever is in the ground will be absorbed by the plant so I don't feel urine is safe. I think the reason woman's pee is not used is because woman take a lot of prescriptions that have Hormones in them. When woman become of an advanced age they go through (midlife) changes that are only corrected by lots of hormone pills What a load of tripe. I think you are in need of a little medicinal correction yourself. Janet Quite. The National Trust article/publication or whatever inferred that women's pee is less effective and therefore less often used. Some practical research yesterday proved that I can irrigate my compost bin directly, out of view of anyone, thanks to the pampas grass which is in full splendour at present. :-) I fear a warning about Pampas grass may be required at this point least you dangle something delicate anywhere near the wretched stuff!! -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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In message , Charlie
Pridham writes In article , says... Some practical research yesterday proved that I can irrigate my compost bin directly, out of view of anyone, thanks to the pampas grass which is in full splendour at present. :-) I fear a warning about Pampas grass may be required at this point least you dangle something delicate anywhere near the wretched stuff!! I know, I tried to kill it several times[1], but had to duck out of the way of it's blades. It's located several yards away from the compost bin, but blocks out the view of the bin area from the ginral public. :) I dosed the other plant with weedkiller, then set the dead part alight, with a hosepipe at the ready. I got it down to a stump, but burned a hole in my fence even though I had soaked it with the hose. I didn't realise this until a fire engine arrived, called by a neighbour who saw the fence burning from the other side! They larfed at me, they did, once I had extinguished it, but warned me to soak it well before leaving it. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message
The message from "FarmI" ask@itshall be given contains these words: "Janet Baraclough" wrote in message from Sacha contains these words: (snip) what flitted through my mind is how very careful some people are about not using animal manure that contains veterinary medicines. Many veterinary medicines used on herbivores, are intended to kill insect parasites, including intestinal worms in the colon. Faeces containing active ingredients could possibly reach and kill beneficial worms, insects and organisms in a compost heap. Interesting point. I use masses of horse manure in my garden (fresh and uncomposted) and have never asked the owner of the horses about her vermicide use. It's never bothered me and certainly doesn't seem to bother the worms who seem to respond very positively in both increasing numbers and size by the application of masses of the stuff. One manure I use (horse) is well aged before it gets here, and then either, spread around non-food plants, or added to the compost heaps (used on food crops) By the time we turn or empty compost heaps they are full of worms and there are plenty in the garden soil I've often wondered if the 'ban' on using manure in gardens because of vermicides is just an urban myth AFAIK, the only "ban" on using animal manures is by vegans. By 'ban' I meant the much repeated comment that horse manure kills earth worms because of the vermicide. I can't say I've ever observed this, rather the reverse - worms seem to love the stuff and as don't even seem to have problems with it very fresh. given that intestinal worms and earth worms would be two different species. I found this site which gives some info: http://santacruzwire.com/index.php/m...c-gardens.html (specifically about Ivermectin) Interesting site. but would like to know for sure now the subject has been raised. Would one of your vet contacts know for sure? I'll ask how frequently horses are recommended to be wormed *in this country*; (but that may not apply in others. Different continents and climates support different nematode parasites/animal health risks) . I wasn't clear in what I was asking. What I'd really like to know, is if earth worms (which are a different species to intestinal worms) would be killed by vermicides. Some 'poisons' will kill some species but not all. |
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"Anne Welsh Jackson" wrote in message ... "alan.holmes" wrote: No, just that if you are stupid enough to buy this product from a garden centre you are instructed to dilute it with water. If I can remember I will have a look round the next GS I go to, to see if they have it. But don't bank on it, cos by the time I have pressed the 'send' button I will have forgotten all about it!(:-( I think you're talking about Garotta (if that's how it's spelt?), Alan? I don't think so, garotta is pellets whereas the stuff I am talking about is a liquid. Alan -- AnneJ |
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"Gordon H" wrote in message ... In message , K writes aquachimp writes On Nov 14, 10:19 pm, Janet Baraclough wrote: I think it's just that this is one of many topics that have come up regularly for over a decade Just like worms for the compost bin, there's only so much to be said and some have been saying it a long while. And sometimes it seems to be getting repeated to death by the same posters. It is quite good that some posters are willing to repeat the same advice over and over again, otherwise newbies would find their questions unanswered. I was peeing on my compost and in my watering can long before usenet was discovered by a callow youth. Weren't we all? Alan -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: What ever is in the ground will be absorbed by the plant so I don't feel urine is safe. I think the reason woman's pee is not used is because woman take a lot of prescriptions that have Hormones in them. When woman become of an advanced age they go through (midlife) changes that are only corrected by lots of hormone pills What a load of tripe. I think you are in need of a little medicinal correction yourself. Couldn't have put it better myself! Alan Janet |
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On Nov 14, 10:41*pm, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Janet Baraclough wrote: Ah, but my instinct related from the degree to which pro-pee postings had a tone of gleeful proclamation and some people seemed eager to repeat the exercise as if the scent of their last posting had faded away. * *I think it's just that this is one of many topics that have come up regularly for over a decade Just like worms for the compost bin, *there's only so much to be said and some have been saying it a long while. I've found the thread interesting and entertaining, and I'd like to think that pee does help compost, but I haven't seen any evidence that it does. Which constituent of urine is supposed to accelerate composting? -- Timothy Murphy * e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland Urea Tim. I'm too civilised to actually perch on top of a heap, I mean, what Lady would ? :-) I do use urine on the compost heap but I would not actually be perched on it, heaven forbid :-) Judith |
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On Nov 16, 10:56*am, Gordon H
wrote: In message , K writes aquachimp writes On Nov 14, 10:19*pm, Janet Baraclough wrote: * *I think it's just that this is one of many topics that have come up regularly for over a decade Just like worms for the compost bin, *there's only so much to be said and some have been saying it a long while. And sometimes it seems to be getting repeated to death *by the same posters. It is quite good that some posters are willing to repeat the same advice over and over again, otherwise newbies would find their questions unanswered. I was peeing on my compost and in my watering can long before usenet was discovered by a callow youth. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply So were our Grandfathers and Great Grandfathers albeit, with discretion. |
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Ah Judith you live in France so you must be doing far worse things than
peeing on your compost heap. |
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On Nov 23, 11:41*am, wrote:
Ah Judith you live in France so you must be doing far worse things than peeing on your compost heap. Hi Ed, I, personally am not up to much but I have noticed that French men pee where and when they like, alongside motorways, anywhere, that took some getting used to but we ladie don't do things like that :-) |
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On Nov 23, 4:43*pm, Gordon H
wrote: In message , writesAh Judith you live in France so you must be doing far worse things than peeing on your compost heap. I expect you're a troll, but I have to agree. Escargots? * * *Yukk! Frog legs? * * * EWWWW! Paté de Foie Gras? * * *Shame on you! The practice of force-feeding geese to enlarge their livers dates back to at least 400 B.C. Egyptian hieroglyphics depict slaves force-feeding geese to enlarge the livers. French chef Jean-Joseph Clause is credited for creating and popularizing pâté de foie gras in 1779. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply He is not a troll and I suggest you make your comments in a cookery group. |
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In message , Anne Welsh Jackson
writes Gordon H wrote: Escargots? * * *Yukk! Frog legs? * * * EWWWW! Paté de Foie Gras? * * *Shame on you! Not so much the geese, perhaps, but frogs and snails are all too common in UK gardens... I have a tiny snail living on my dining room window for the last few days. It's too young to die, so I'm studying it. Frogs and toads have a nasty habit of sneaking under my garage door and sheltering under the doubtful safety of my car wheels. :-( -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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Gordon H wrote:
In message , Anne Welsh Jackson writes Gordon H wrote: Escargots? Yukk! Frog legs? EWWWW! Paté de Foie Gras? Shame on you! Not so much the geese, perhaps, but frogs and snails are all too common in UK gardens... I have a tiny snail living on my dining room window for the last few days. It's too young to die, so I'm studying it. Frogs and toads have a nasty habit of sneaking under my garage door and sheltering under the doubtful safety of my car wheels. :-( We had a frog in the kitchen last night, the dogs went berserk. No frogs were harmed in the making of this post. It was returned to the garden safe and sound, with legs intact. Bobbie |
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In message , Bobbie
writes We had a frog in the kitchen last night, the dogs went berserk. No frogs were harmed in the making of this post. It was returned to the garden safe and sound, with legs intact. Bobbie There were some interesting facts about frogs and toads on QI last night. According to Fry, frogs and toads are the same species... -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
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