To pee or not to pee?
The question is answered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. Mike |
To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 13, 9:32*am, "Muddymike" wrote:
The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. Mike Or if you want the version you can comment on; http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...mposting-urine |
To pee or not to pee?
In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or
in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. |
To pee or not to pee?
|
To pee or not to pee?
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:32:27 -0000, "Muddymike"
wrote: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. The very article has just been discussed by Jeremy Vine on Radio 2. Why are people so prudish? I know that Adam Hart-Davis had a straw-bale toilet in his Bristol garden and encouraged male visitors to use it. Why are some people so prudish? It's tough being a woman, but Google for Shewee. Pam in Bristol |
To pee or not to pee?
"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:32:27 -0000, "Muddymike" wrote: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. The very article has just been discussed by Jeremy Vine on Radio 2. Why are people so prudish? I know that Adam Hart-Davis had a straw-bale toilet in his Bristol garden and encouraged male visitors to use it. Why are some people so prudish? It's tough being a woman, but Google for Shewee. Pam in Bristol Dear husband & I pee in a bucket kept next to loo. Every day the contents are then poured on the compost heap. No need to display bodily parts to all & sundry or to leap up & down waving knickers in the air as some of the more prudish seem to think putting pee on the compost heap involves. A also have a Shewee... every lady cyclist should have one ;-) As for the prudishness - the conveniences of modern life and being well-away from and ignorant of the requirements of plant growth, too many have lost the understanding of the benefits of urine. |
To pee or not to pee?
In article ,
Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection Which is almost always a symbiotic form of E. coli that has got from the intestine to the urinary tract. So it's not a problem anyway. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
To pee or not to pee?
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:19 +0100, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ If your parents never had children, chances are you won't either |
To pee or not to pee?
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Muddymike" contains these words: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. The NTS must have been reading advice on urg reading = copying from? :o) -- I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve |
To pee or not to pee?
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:47:57 +0100, Martin wrote:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:08:09 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:19 +0100, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." If you've really got a kidney or tract infection you will seriously not want to be stood around the lotty/garden peeing or not -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy. |
To pee or not to pee?
wafflycat wrote:
A also have a Shewee... every lady cyclist should have one ;-) Umm. I'm sure I'm being very unimaginative here, but what difference does cycling make to the requirement for one? |
To pee or not to pee?
wrote in message ... wafflycat wrote: A also have a Shewee... every lady cyclist should have one ;-) Umm. I'm sure I'm being very unimaginative here, but what difference does cycling make to the requirement for one? Much easier when out cycling the wilds of the country lanes and the only place to 'go' is that large bed of nettles... :) |
To pee or not to pee?
wafflycat wrote:
A also have a Shewee... every lady cyclist should have one ;-) Umm. I'm sure I'm being very unimaginative here, but what difference does cycling make to the requirement for one? Much easier when out cycling the wilds of the country lanes and the only place to 'go' is that large bed of nettles... :) Oh right, so not specifically cycling as "wandering far from home" aspect. That's ... kind of a relief. (As someone who uses a bike to get from A to B rather than for the scenery, it didn't really click in my brain). I prsume it would be equally useful to hikers, orienteers, campers, etc. |
To pee or not to pee?
vicky wrote ... wafflycat wrote: A also have a Shewee... every lady cyclist should have one ;-) Umm. I'm sure I'm being very unimaginative here, but what difference does cycling make to the requirement for one? Much easier when out cycling the wilds of the country lanes and the only place to 'go' is that large bed of nettles... :) Oh right, so not specifically cycling as "wandering far from home" aspect. That's ... kind of a relief. (As someone who uses a bike to get from A to B rather than for the scenery, it didn't really click in my brain). I prsume it would be equally useful to hikers, orienteers, campers, etc. And if you get caught for any time in serious stationary traffic on a Motorway, no point in being prudish, happened to me on the M25 in Essex and on a road near Bordeaux. -- Regards Bob Hobden just W. of London |
To pee or not to pee?
g'day mike,
could say what's new, we've been doing it for a decade or more, and still do part of our nutrient cycle for our gardens. so don't waste good drinkable water flushing good nutrient water down the sewer. On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:32:27 -0000, "Muddymike" wrote: snipped With peace and brightest of blessings, len -- "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
To pee or not to pee?
On 2009-11-13 14:34:19 +0000, Martin said:
On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection And I suppose the antibiotic or other meds question would arise for the organic gardener! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
On 2009-11-13 15:47:11 +0000, "shazzbat"
said: "Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Muddymike" contains these words: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. The NTS must have been reading advice on urg reading = copying from? :o) -- I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
"Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Referred to as Viagra elsewhere? -- We bow to your superior knowledge of the matter. mark |
To pee or not to pee?
wrote in message ... In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. So you won't be doing a Rolf Harris then? Nor be the person to have standing by when your best mate comes out of the ocean covered in jellyfish stings? *chortle* |
To pee or not to pee?
I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What
young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. |
To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 13, 6:43*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-11-13 15:47:11 +0000, "shazzbat" said: "Martin" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Muddymike" contains these words: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. *The NTS must have been reading advice on urg reading = copying from? :o) -- I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. *I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! -- But the excuse is that it saves on flushing the loo. There an article on this within the telegraph also. It surprises me that it gets so much attention. I had always thought that there were a number of people here who seemed a tad obsessed with it, but now I see that they are clearly not the only ones. I'm used the word "excuse" deliberately because somehow, call it instinct, I often got the impression that what the somewhat potty pro- pee proclaimers were really after was an excuse to 'mark' their territory, as opposed to working in a very large garden, or that of someone else's where it would be impractical to travel all the way back and remove muddy footwear, or unwelcomed to do so. Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:49:38 -0500, wrote:
I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines . Oh dear, I wonder what drug Sacha has been on!! -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ |
To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 14, 11:49*am, wrote:
I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. Conversely, if one considers the content of Usenet to be but a recycling of ideas and information, then what can taint a post is as much what is omitted as what it contains. In this instance, you've omitted to indicate which of Sacha's post you are referring to. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. Since when has Miracle grow being a recognised compost accelerator? |
To pee or not to pee?
In article ,
wrote: I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. You can't but, if it isn't, the drugs will probably kill you in short order anyway. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. Well, you haven't been following this group long, or read its FAQs. All of us old-fashioned gentlemen **** on the compost heap, unless there are ladies present. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
To pee or not to pee?
In message , Martin
writes On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:08:09 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:19 +0100, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." It tastes rather salty. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 14, 1:51*pm, Martin wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:32:18 +0000 (GMT), wrote: In article , wrote: I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. You can't but, if it isn't, the drugs will probably kill you in short order anyway. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. Well, you haven't been following this group long, or read its FAQs. All of us old-fashioned gentlemen **** on the compost heap, unless there are ladies present. I hope you allow for the wind too. -- Martin With allowances for fictional licence, I once saw an American detective programme in which one of the younger (late teens - early twenties) characters was a registered sex-offender on account of having peed into a public fountain. It was not that the fountain was public that resulted in his registration, but that there had been some (female) children in the vicinity at the time. I don't know if, for the sake of the realism, the kids had to be female, otherwise, public urinals within the 'Gents' would be problematic, or if, had the kids being male would have brought about the same charges resulting from ****ing an non-designated, official ****ing point. So, peeing in ones own compost bin, within one's own property within sight of a minor....? |
To pee or not to pee?
In article ,
Gordon H wrote: In message , Martin writes "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." It tastes rather salty. Probably not with my salt consumption, though I admit I haven't tasted it. It will be salty if you are eating excess salt (as most people do), and not if you don't. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
To pee or not to pee?
On 2009-11-14 10:49:38 +0000, said:
I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. You're certainly not the only older gent here but neither am I, being of the female persuasion. ;-) I'm afraid my name causes a lot of confusion. I think that if the pee is free and safe to use, why spend money on something else? It's a well known breaker down of compost but I raised the medical thing because what flitted through my mind is how very careful some people are about not using animal manure that contains veterinary medicines. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
On 2009-11-14 11:01:19 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ said:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:49:38 -0500, wrote: I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines . Oh dear, I wonder what drug Sacha has been on!! I don't *think* my voice is getting deeper. ;-) Does Yorkshire Tea count? -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
On 2009-11-14 10:50:36 +0000, aquachimp
said: On Nov 13, 6:43*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-13 15:47:11 +0000, "shazzbat" said: "Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Muddymike" contains these words: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. *The NTS must have been reading advice on urg reading = copying from? :o) -- I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. *I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! -- But the excuse is that it saves on flushing the loo. There an article on this within the telegraph also. It surprises me that it gets so much attention. I had always thought that there were a number of people here who seemed a tad obsessed with it, but now I see that they are clearly not the only ones. I'm used the word "excuse" deliberately because somehow, call it instinct, I often got the impression that what the somewhat potty pro- pee proclaimers were really after was an excuse to 'mark' their territory, as opposed to working in a very large garden, or that of someone else's where it would be impractical to travel all the way back and remove muddy footwear, or unwelcomed to do so. I wonder if their dogs trot along behind them.......... -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
Quote:
There was on old man from Nantucket, Who would widdle into a bucket, He spread it around, All over the ground Most especially around his roses he'd chuck it. He wasn't from Nantucket, but it does rhyme with bucket. Urea is actually one of the most potent fertilisers as it is approximtely 43% Nitrogen (or so I remember from my college days). Over use will damage the plants though! |
To pee or not to pee?
|
To pee or not to pee?
On Nov 14, 2:42*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2009-11-14 10:50:36 +0000, aquachimp said: On Nov 13, 6:43*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2009-11-13 15:47:11 +0000, "shazzbat" said: "Martin" wrote in message ... On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 14:27:05 GMT, Janet Baraclough wrote: The message from "Muddymike" contains these words: The question is answered. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/8357134.stm Don't worry is from the BBC so is quite safe to open. *The NTS must have been reading advice on urg reading = copying from? :o) -- I can't believe it's attracted all this comment, it's a non-question. As we've all discovered, plant material composts. It sets off by itself, with or without urine. I've had as small an amount as a wheelbarrow full of weeds set off. Urinating on the compost stems from there being no toilets on allotments. AFAIK it does no harm, but if you don't do it the stuff composts anyway. Steve Certainly but AIUI, it's acting as an accelerant. *I must admit I don't quite see why this compost is needed so quickly but.....! -- But the excuse is that it saves on flushing the loo. There an article on this within the telegraph also. It surprises me that it gets so much attention. I had always thought that there were a number of people here who seemed a tad obsessed with it, but now I see that they are clearly not the only ones. I'm used the word "excuse" deliberately because somehow, call it instinct, I often got the impression that what the somewhat potty pro- pee proclaimers were really after was an excuse to 'mark' their territory, as opposed to working in a very large garden, or that of someone else's where it would be impractical to travel all the way back and remove muddy footwear, or unwelcomed to do so. I wonder if their dogs trot along behind them.......... -- Taking notes no doubt. Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ contains these words: If you've really got a kidney or tract infection you will seriously not want to be stood around the lotty/garden peeing or not If you've really REALLY got one, you probably won't have enough time to run indoors. And that is from an expert!(:-) Alan Janet. |
To pee or not to pee?
"Gordon H" wrote in message ... In message , Martin writes On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:08:09 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:34:19 +0100, Martin wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:41:08 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ wrote: On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:12:02 -0500, wrote: In the States it is a crime to pull out your tally whacker in public or in your own yard. It is considered an eye sore and what it produces is now called dangerous bio-hazardous waste. I'll just stick to using Miracle Grow. Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile. Invariably depending on whether the person has or has not some sorts of infection Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." It tastes rather salty. I've never tasted it yet, but if I were in a situation where no water was available I would do it without doubt. -- Gordon H Remove "invalid" to reply |
To pee or not to pee?
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2009-11-14 11:01:19 +0000, ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ said: On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:49:38 -0500, wrote: I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines . Oh dear, I wonder what drug Sacha has been on!! I don't *think* my voice is getting deeper. ;-) Does Yorkshire Tea count? Surely you do NOT drink Yorkshire Tea? How dreadfull! Alan -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com Shrubs & perennials. Tender & exotics. South Devon |
To pee or not to pee?
wrote in message ... In article , wrote: I thought I was the only older gent here until I seen Sacha's post. What young folk don't seem to think about is when you get older the Doctors put you on all sorts of prescription medicines so how can your drug tainted sterilized urine on the compost pile be safe to use?. You can't but, if it isn't, the drugs will probably kill you in short order anyway. I've heard of urine being used for compost piles many years ago but that it was only being used by 3rd world people who were to poor to buy a box of Miracle grow. Well, you haven't been following this group long, or read its FAQs. All of us old-fashioned gentlemen **** on the compost heap, unless there are ladies present. So that is where I've been going wrong!(:-) Alan Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
To pee or not to pee?
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 15:25:17 -0000, "alan.holmes"
wrote: Freshly voided urine is almost invariably sterile "Except in cases of kidney or urinary tract infection (UTI), urine is virtually sterile and nearly odourless." It tastes rather salty. I've never tasted it yet, but if I were in a situation where no water was available I would do it without doubt. If you've tasted Double Diamond or Watney's you'll have a good idea of the taste. -- ®óñ© © ²°¹°-°¹ |
To pee or not to pee?
"Janet Baraclough" wrote in message ... The message from contains these words: All of us old-fashioned gentlemen **** on the compost heap, unless there are ladies present. Oldfashioned ladies discreetly avert their eyes. The rest of us don't bother; and what's more, we **** on the compost heap too. But I have been under the impression that womens pee is not good for compost, but mens pee is ideal. Alan Janet |
All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:12 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter