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Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear
and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? Mine's the same. A couple of days rain and it turns into a weed garden with the odd plant poking through. The number of seeds "in the system" must be enormous. Ian |
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On 05/06/2010 12:38, David in Normandy wrote:
Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? Immpossible! Because, not only are there the weeds that blow in from over the fields and are dropped by the birds but there are all the 'weeds' I've introduced myself - before I knew better, or in some cases just because I like them........ the aquilegia (now reverted to mucky pink), the Alchemilla mollis, the poached egg plant, the Welsh poppies, the celandines, the grape hyacinths (think I might just have won that battle!), the creeping jenny. Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 12:56:54 +0100, Jill Bell
wrote: On 05/06/2010 12:38, David in Normandy wrote: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? Immpossible! Because, not only are there the weeds that blow in from over the fields and are dropped by the birds but there are all the 'weeds' I've introduced myself - before I knew better, or in some cases just because I like them........ the aquilegia (now reverted to mucky pink), the Alchemilla mollis, the poached egg plant, the Welsh poppies, the celandines, the grape hyacinths (think I might just have won that battle!), the creeping jenny. Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? Pinks. An intrusive, spreading and unattractive persistant little weed now. -- (¯`·. ®óñ© © ²°¹° .·´¯) |
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On 05/06/2010 13:56, Jill Bell wrote:
Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? The spouse planted some "forget me nots" in her flower border near the veg garden and they keep popping up all over the place in the veg garden now. I definitely won't forget them. An unlikely weed is asparagus! It is seeding itself freely all over the garden now. I really must cut off the tops in Autumn *before* it sets its orange coloured seeds. The tops from a previous year must have survived composting and ended up distributed all over the garden. There is always a sneaky weed (mainly chickweed) lost in between potato plants too that sometimes runs to seed again before it is discovered. Prolific little sods they are. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? Ragged robin, goosegrass, teasel ... etc. Mary |
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:12:23 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote: The message from David in Normandy contains these words: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? No, but I have managed to vastly reduce certain weeds. Each year I choose one for The Purge, and focus on preventing it seeding/propagating . This year it's the turn of dandelions, last year was shepherds purse and the year before was plantain. It does make a real difference to their ongoing populations in subsequent years. Janet. I had a pogram on dandelions this year... obviously not enough of one though. I suspect it's time to start growing them to eat though ... that's bound to kill them off :) I haven't seen shepherds purse for years... That probably means I've got a ton of it and just not noticed. -- http://www.Voucherfreebies.co.uk http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk |
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: The message from David in Normandy contains these words: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? No, but I have managed to vastly reduce certain weeds. Each year I choose one for The Purge, and focus on preventing it seeding/propagating . This year it's the turn of dandelions, last year was shepherds purse and the year before was plantain. It does make a real difference to their ongoing populations in subsequent years. Janet. Did you get rid of the Dandelion? If so how did you do it? I could not keep them down however I tried. Regards PtePike |
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: The message from David in Normandy contains these words: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? No, but I have managed to vastly reduce certain weeds. Each year I choose one for The Purge, and focus on preventing it seeding/propagating . This year it's the turn of dandelions, last year was shepherds purse and the year before was plantain. It does make a real difference to their ongoing populations in subsequent years. Janet. Did you do any good against the dandelions? If so how did you do it? They are for me the BIGGEST pest in the weed catalouge. Regards PtePike |
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: The message from David in Normandy contains these words: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? No, but I have managed to vastly reduce certain weeds. Each year I choose one for The Purge, and focus on preventing it seeding/propagating . This year it's the turn of dandelions, last year was shepherds purse and the year before was plantain. It does make a real difference to their ongoing populations in subsequent years. Janet. Did you do any good against the dandelions? If so how did you do it? They are for me the BIGGEST pest in the weed catalouge. Regards PtePike |
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69.16.176.253: Janet Baraclough wrote in : The message from David in Normandy contains these words: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? No, but I have managed to vastly reduce certain weeds. Each year I choose one for The Purge, and focus on preventing it seeding/propagating . This year it's the turn of dandelions, last year was shepherds purse and the year before was plantain. It does make a real difference to their ongoing populations in subsequent years. Janet. Did you do any good against the dandelions? If so how did you do it? They are for me the BIGGEST pest in the weed catalouge. Regards PtePike Please excuse the 3 replies to threads on the same subject, it was an error with my brain(it didn't test drive too well) today. We all get old! PtePike |
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: I have a hand tool like a long screwdriver with a vee shaped prong on the end; slide it down under the rosette of leaves and slice through the taproot deep down well below soil level. Pick up corpse and dispose. Takes longer to type than it does to do. Don;t leave any dead flowers lying about (or compost the flowers) because they can turn to seedheads even in death. Janet. I have one of those tools but was told that no matter how deep we pull them they will grow again. If you have had success I am going to go with it. And I like your idea....target one weed one year. Still have to weed though but a concerted effort on one bugger sounds good and I am going to give it a go, nothing else seems to work. Regards PtePike |
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"Jill Bell" wrote Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? Spanish bluebells. :( My only excuse is that at the time I was lead to believe they were native ones, but now I know better having seen the real deal in flower along Cornish lanes. -- Sue |
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On Jun 5, 1:56*pm, Jill Bell wrote:
On 05/06/2010 12:38, David in Normandy wrote: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? Immpossible! Because, not only are there the weeds that blow in from over the fields and are dropped by the birds but there are all the 'weeds' I've introduced myself - before I knew better, or in some cases just because I like them........ the aquilegia (now reverted to mucky pink) Still working on getting their seedlings to survive. Only a couple made it from last year. , the Alchemilla mollis, Never made it to the second year. the poached egg plant, Wouldn't stand a chance. the Welsh poppies, Would've been ideal... alas, just wouldn't. the celandines Ah, now those I didn't try, not that they'd make it. Too dry. , the grape hyacinths Ah, now a few did make it, but the buggers just refuse to spread. But at least they've manage to flower... less luck with the Crocosmias. , the creeping jenny. No chance of survival. There was also a relative of Cleavers, lovely white flower it had; Very naturalistic, so it looked; But then I happened upon the bright idea to thin it out a bit just in case...oops, rather thin on the ground this year; I do have a bit of Oxalis though. No chemicals (herbicide/pesticide) used. That's not to say I can't get anything else to grow here http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2remm45&s=6 and the red thing is a paeony http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j49c15&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2iqhhec&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10fuc0k&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=105cjeh&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=257qhpz&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fp1eo5&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=110elhv&s=6 Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying.!!! |
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On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 18:27:25 GMT, PtePike wrote:
Janet Baraclough wrote in : I have a hand tool like a long screwdriver with a vee shaped prong on the end; slide it down under the rosette of leaves and slice through the taproot deep down well below soil level. Pick up corpse and dispose. Takes longer to type than it does to do. Don;t leave any dead flowers lying about (or compost the flowers) because they can turn to seedheads even in death. Janet. I have one of those tools but was told that no matter how deep we pull them they will grow again. If you have had success I am going to go with it. And I like your idea....target one weed one year. Still have to weed though but a concerted effort on one bugger sounds good and I am going to give it a go, nothing else seems to work. Regards PtePike I use a normal food knife to cut the root. I'd like a tool that was easier to hold though -- http://www.Voucherfreebies.co.uk http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk |
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On Jun 6, 4:15*pm, aquachimp
wrote: On Jun 5, 1:56*pm, Jill Bell wrote: On 05/06/2010 12:38, David in Normandy wrote: Does anyone have a weed free garden? I keep hoeing mine as they appear and certainly before they get to seed but there must be a huge number of seeds already in the soil. After a good shower of rain a blanket of them always appears. Mainly chickweed. I've heard the old saying "One years seeds seven years weeds". Has anyone had a long established garden that is now weed free? Immpossible! Because, not only are there the weeds that blow in from over the fields and are dropped by the birds but there are all the 'weeds' I've introduced myself - before I knew better, or in some cases just because I like them........ the aquilegia (now reverted to mucky pink) Still working on getting their seedlings to survive. Only a couple made it from last year. , the Alchemilla mollis, Never made it to the second year. the poached egg plant, Wouldn't stand a chance. *the Welsh poppies, Would've been ideal... alas, just wouldn't. the celandines Ah, now those I didn't try, not that they'd make it. Too dry. , the grape hyacinths Ah, now a few did make it, but the buggers just refuse to spread. But at least they've manage to flower... less luck with the Crocosmias. , the creeping jenny. No chance of survival. There was also a relative of Cleavers, lovely white flower it had; Very naturalistic, so it looked; But then I happened upon the bright idea to thin it out a bit *just in case...oops, rather thin on the ground this year; I do have a bit of Oxalis though. No chemicals (herbicide/pesticide) used. That's not to say I can't get anything else to grow here http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2remm45&s=6*and the red thing is a paeonyhttp://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2j49c15&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2iqhhec&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10fuc0k&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=105cjeh&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=257qhpz&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=fp1eo5&s=6http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=110elhv&s=6 Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? I'm trying, I'm trying, I'm trying.!!! Missed a couple. http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=dlp2th&s=6 http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2bo655&s=6 |
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Sue wrote:
"Jill Bell" wrote Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? Spanish bluebells. :( My only excuse is that at the time I was lead to believe they were native ones, but now I know better having seen the real deal in flower along Cornish lanes. I was once rash enough to introduce orange hawkweed. It's one of my favourite wild flowers, and of a colour you don't see too often in British natives; and in the wild it's far from virulent. In the garden, however, it seemed intent on invading Poland, increasing by seed and a network of runners. Curiously, its quarters were not at all luxurious: I'd put it in a problem patch of poor soil and broken shale. -- Mike. |
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Jill Bell wrote:
Anyone else got a plant that they really wish they hadn't introduced? I think I may have mentioned this before, but nearly 30 years ago I changed school and my friend gave me a forget-me-not plant, which I planted in my nan's garden. She never managed to get rid of them, and they more or less took over the entire garden. |
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"aquachimp" wrote [...]That's not to say I can't get anything else to grow here Lovely rose - what a sumptuous deep colour. :) -- Sue |
Hi David in Normandy,
Living in Normandy sounds nice, have toyed with the idea of Brittany but not sure whether I could afford it. Something that has worked for me has been using a cover sheet to prevent any weeds underneath getting any light and having the plants you want coming through this. Obviously if you can get tree bark mulch to put down it looks better and if the weeds do get through they are easy to spot. I would then spray off or pull out any weeds that come through and then just keep on top of it. Bizarrely this idea comes from the city where when I was working in the facilities department we would get contractors in to manage the flowerbeds and flower fronts. The bed was initially planted through a permeable sheet placed over the soil, this was then covered over with bark to keep the light away from the weeds and provide moisture for the rest of the plants (this was low maintenance) if anything did break through the layers the contractors either sprayed it of or just pulled the weed out by the roots. The following article raises some good points on getting a balance of work and enjoyement Try to Get a Balance With Jobs and Pleasure Hope this is of some use. Quote:
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Despite this, I still have enough seeds/plants to have a rich display of violets in the spring, followed by the forget-me-nots,, followed by enough strawberries for the summer and to put several boxes in the deepfreeze. So I'm very happy with the situation. I also have aquilegia in multiple combinations of colour ((white,pinks and purples, with or without green markings) and flower form (single, double, ''clematis form"), foxgloves, yellow poppies, and pink and white musk mallow, all of which I treat on the basis of let them grow where they will, and just pull them up if I want to grow something else there. And I'm going to have to add primroses to that list - they are taking over, and I'm running out of places to transplant them to. |
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I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" In which case it's a good thing that the weekly "Welcome" message states clearly that this is uk.rec.gardening. Maybe I'll alter the intro to make it even clearer! ;-) David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk |
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... In article , Nospam@invalid says... On Sat, 28 May 2011 17:26:14 +0000, (Dalinda) wrote: a reply to an urg post of mine, written a year ago Sheesh! I nearly had a panic over missing posts until I realised the original message was from June last year. I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" What's more, they do not honour x-no-archive. Of the urglers names and addresses involuntarily preserved for posterity on their website they say http://www.gardenalley.com/privacy.php "We do not control the privacy policies of our business partners, advertisers, sponsors or other sites to which we provide hyperlinks. GardenAlley.com users should also be aware that, when you voluntarily disclose personal information in chat areas or bulletin boards, that information may be collected by others and may result in unsolicited messages from others. And as the final joy, Gardenalley..and all its current articles from urg are on display in Facebook. Janet Look at all the extra free advertising for those who post with a business in their signature. Is that not what they want? Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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On Sun, 29 May 2011 01:14:47 +0100, Janet wrote:
I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content I've looked on the wayback machine and it looks like they did until fairly recently. What's more, they do not honour x-no-archive. Of the urglers names and addresses involuntarily preserved for posterity on their website they say http://www.gardenalley.com/privacy.php And no means of contact except a form. "We do not control the privacy policies of our business partners, advertisers, sponsors or other sites to which we provide hyperlinks. GardenAlley.com users should also be aware that, when you voluntarily disclose personal information in chat areas or bulletin boards, that information may be collected by others and may result in unsolicited messages from others. And as the final joy, Gardenalley..and all its current articles from urg are on display in Facebook. I wonder what FaceBook will have to say about that? Warwick |
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On Sun, 29 May 2011 01:14:47 +0100, Janet wrote:
And as the final joy, Gardenalley..and all its current articles from urg are on display in Facebook. Twitter too. Warwick |
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Janet wrote: I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" In which case it's a good thing that the weekly "Welcome" message states clearly that this is uk.rec.gardening. Maybe I'll alter the intro to make it even clearer! ;-) This is bad! It will make people think twice before posting to this and other Newsgroups. I wonder if putting a legal property rights line on ones signature will allow us to sue these thieving people? Could be a good earner. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "David Rance" wrote Janet wrote: I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" In which case it's a good thing that the weekly "Welcome" message states clearly that this is uk.rec.gardening. Maybe I'll alter the intro to make it even clearer! ;-) This is bad! It will make people think twice before posting to this and other Newsgroups. I wonder if putting a legal property rights line on ones signature will allow us to sue these thieving people? Could be a good earner. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK If anyone is going to be paranoid about their posts being displayed elsewhere, don't write to 'Letters to the Editor' in local newspapers, because they get repeated in all sorts of places, AND on the internet. I regularly write to 1855 local newspapers all over the country to do with my ex Service Associations. They appear in all sorts of glossy local and national magazines :-)) which is just what I want :-)) Publicity for the Association I am writing about at the time. AND, beware being interviewed on local Radio as well, that will be recorded and repeated at other times. I know because I have held interviews on nearly all BBC Local Stations and responses have come in later when the interview/broadcast has been repeated. If you don't want publicity, take yourself OUT of the public eye ................... everywhere. Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 May 2011 07:07:56 +0100, David Rance wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 Janet wrote: I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" In which case it's a good thing that the weekly "Welcome" message states clearly that this is uk.rec.gardening. Maybe I'll alter the intro to make it even clearer! ;-) Maybe we should all have a sig that points out the origin of our messages posted here. -- ORIGINALLY POSTED TO UK.REC.GARDENING -- Martin :-)) Why not? That's only another form of advertising, .... this time for urg ;-)) Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2011-05-29 08:53:52 +0100, Martin said: On Sun, 29 May 2011 07:07:56 +0100, David Rance wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2011 Janet wrote: I have just taken a look at GardenAlley dotcom. Like gardenbanter,it's a website which acquires posts from urg to populate its website. But there the similarity ends. Unlike gardenbaneter, Garden alley makes no mention of usenet m uk.rec.gardening, or the fact the material comes from elsewhere. They have in fact renamed urg's content "Gardening in the UK- yet another gardening in the United Kingdom forum" In which case it's a good thing that the weekly "Welcome" message states clearly that this is uk.rec.gardening. Maybe I'll alter the intro to make it even clearer! ;-) Maybe we should all have a sig that points out the origin of our messages posted here. -- ORIGINALLY POSTED TO UK.REC.GARDENING Good idea. What Garden Banter and Garden Alley do is at the least, a form of intellectual theft. Or at the end of each post people could write "This will be stolen and used by advertising forums" ;-) -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon But isn't advertising what all businesses need and require? And this is a FREE form of advertising, how the blazes can that be wrong? Henry Ford said 'Half of the money I spend on advertising is a waste of time. The trouble is I don't know which half'. Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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writes Sorry, I just don't agree with those who argue in favour of keeping this a usenet-only means of communication. If I were still active in the Fidonet I would port it over to that! WHAT DOES IT MATTER? (I'm not shouting, it's the only means I have of emphasising.) Usenet is in the public domain so no theft, intellectual or otherwise, is taking place. The more we argue about our "rights" the more these sites will endeavour to prove that we have none. The consensus is that participants hold the copyright in their posts. By posting the material to u.r.g. an implicit license is granted. But this does not cover every possible use of the material. IANAL, but it seems to me that in particular if a site that republishes a post is ignoring x-no-archive headers they would be in breach of the implicit license. OTOH, there doesn't seem to be much distinction between Google Groups and Garden Banter, so I never really understood the opposition to Garden Banter. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , David Rance writes Sorry, I just don't agree with those who argue in favour of keeping this a usenet-only means of communication. If I were still active in the Fidonet I would port it over to that! WHAT DOES IT MATTER? (I'm not shouting, it's the only means I have of emphasising.) Usenet is in the public domain so no theft, intellectual or otherwise, is taking place. The more we argue about our "rights" the more these sites will endeavour to prove that we have none. The consensus is that participants hold the copyright in their posts. By posting the material to u.r.g. an implicit license is granted. But this does not cover every possible use of the material. IANAL, but it seems to me that in particular if a site that republishes a post is ignoring x-no-archive headers they would be in breach of the implicit license. OTOH, there doesn't seem to be much distinction between Google Groups and Garden Banter, so I never really understood the opposition to Garden Banter. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley Reference your last para, Violet Elizabeth Bott comes to mind Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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On Sun, 29 May 2011 Sacha wrote:
And, more importantly, posts to urg have been altered by someone malicious to my certain knowledge, especially those relating to the charter. Can you give an example? David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk |
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"David Rance" wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 May 2011 Sacha wrote: And, more importantly, posts to urg have been altered by someone malicious to my certain knowledge, especially those relating to the charter. Can you give an example? David -- David Rance writing from Caversham, Reading, UK http://rance.org.uk and why not sue them? Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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writes On 2011-05-29 13:52:01 +0100, David Rance said: On Sun, 29 May 2011 Sacha wrote: And, more importantly, posts to urg have been altered by someone malicious to my certain knowledge, especially those relating to the charter. Can you give an example? David Here it is. I think it shows the mischief that can be done by malicious postings appearing to emanate from urg or its members but I have no idea if this is the only example because I haven't gone hunting. Read the paras from Binaries onwards: http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/united...r-uk-rec-garde ning.html That isn't a case of a post to u.r.g. being altered (on GardenBanter). That was a troll "parody" of the charter that was posted on u.r.g. -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
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Jake wrote:
snip Example - a thread by Moonraker (Be Careful What You Wish For) with a response from Martin appears on Garden Alley but not Garden Banter (or in my Agent for that matter) but there are messages on Banter timed after the time of Martin's post to Alley. OTOH, I can't find this thread on Banter or Alley! Then nowhere can I find two posts I made over an hour ago. Now I wonder how much I'm not getting through my news service (Giganews)! But that's another matter for me to sort with my provider. I'm a bit confused what you mean here Jake. Are you not seeing the Moonraker thread on Giganews? If it's any help, I'm seeing it via Zen Internet's own news server. Ian |
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"Jake" Nospam@invalid wrote in message ... On Sun, 29 May 2011 14:28:45 +0100, Sacha wrote: On 2011-05-29 13:52:01 +0100, David Rance said: On Sun, 29 May 2011 Sacha wrote: And, more importantly, posts to urg have been altered by someone malicious to my certain knowledge, especially those relating to the charter. Can you give an example? David Here it is. I think it shows the mischief that can be done by malicious postings appearing to emanate from urg or its members but I have no idea if this is the only example because I haven't gone hunting. Read the paras from Binaries onwards: http://www.gardenbanter.co.uk/united...gardening.html This seems to be a case of someone taking a URG post and reposting a new version rather than altering an existing post. Little can be done to stop that - it's a fact of life. Just as, in a few minutes, I could easily start posting to this group as Mike and unless people knew what to look for in header fields, poor Mike would suffer the rebound! I've just been looking through GB and GA. If the "welcome" message is changed, it won't affect GB much as there's a "sticky" post of the former "abc" titled message from 2003 right at the top of the message list. You have to scroll down to find the more recent ones. People probably won't do that. The "sticky" links to the original charter wording though another link to demon is now broken. How one updates a "sticky" on GB I don't know. More sort of worryingly for me, there are a load of posts in both GB and GA that I am not seeing in Agent. Ditto, the lists in GB and GA are not necessarily complete and propagation seems inconsistent. Example - a thread by Moonraker (Be Careful What You Wish For) with a response from Martin appears on Garden Alley but not Garden Banter (or in my Agent for that matter) but there are messages on Banter timed after the time of Martin's post to Alley. OTOH, I can't find this thread on Banter or Alley! Then nowhere can I find two posts I made over an hour ago. Now I wonder how much I'm not getting through my news service (Giganews)! But that's another matter for me to sort with my provider. Jake This matter has been discussed on urg before when people have got irate about their postings being pinched by gardenbanter etc. Well there are two answers. 1) ""If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"". If you don't like your posts being transferred to GB, don't post and 2) Start your own forum where people have to subscribe to be members, you then have control over the nasties, AND, post a warning as a stickie that any post re-posted on ANY OTHER forum or newsgroup and you will sue. Simple Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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On Sun, 29 May 2011 15:12:06 +0100, "Ian B"
wrote: Jake wrote: snip Example - a thread by Moonraker (Be Careful What You Wish For) with a response from Martin appears on Garden Alley but not Garden Banter (or in my Agent for that matter) but there are messages on Banter timed after the time of Martin's post to Alley. OTOH, I can't find this thread on Banter or Alley! Then nowhere can I find two posts I made over an hour ago. Now I wonder how much I'm not getting through my news service (Giganews)! But that's another matter for me to sort with my provider. I'm a bit confused what you mean here Jake. Are you not seeing the Moonraker thread on Giganews? If it's any help, I'm seeing it via Zen Internet's own news server. Ian Nope. And that's just one example. I'm going to build a list and fire it off to Giganews tech support. Not seeing someone else's post is one thing but when I cannot see my own, that says to me that something needs to be looked at. I left Easynews because of problems like this. Cheers |
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