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Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
Having sorted out Sachas mystery Buddleija can anyone help with a name
for my mystery one http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...aUnknown01.jpg http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...aUnknown02.jpg My other request is for a name for this Fuchsia, it came from a Fuchsia tree I saw being felled in Swansea several years ago, it had a trunk of well over 6 inches and was around 10 ft tall and the same wide. Tough, good grower and very floriferous. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...uchsiatree.jpg Thanks in advance David Hill |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
From the pic, the Fuchsia looks a lot like 'Riccartonii' to me David.
'Stumpier', less gracile flowers than magellanica, but the same colour range and similar, extremely vigorous growth if allowed to grow unchecked. That Buddleia has been really vexing me since you posted the pics yesterday. I'm sure I've seen it before, but couldn't for the life of me remember when, where or what its specific name was. Funny how things come to you, but I was doing the washing-up earlier and suddenly Oxford Botanical garden came to mind, which is where I got an unidentified S. African Lobelia (and would love to get it back if I could find it - still don't know the name) and it is also where I'm sure I saw your Buddleia curviflora. I can't find any pics to verify it, but am pretty sure that's what it is. It might be worth contacting Nat. Collection holders who appear to be Longstock Park Nursery and who also list this species. |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
On 15 Aug, 10:17, Sacha wrote:
On 2010-08-14 23:10:32 +0100, Dave Hill said: Having sorted out Sachas mystery Buddleija can anyone help with a name for my mystery one http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk... My other request is for a name for this Fuchsia, it came from a Fuchsia tree I saw being felled in Swansea several years ago, it had a trunk of well over 6 inches and was around 10 ft tall and the same wide. Tough, good grower and very floriferous. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Fuchsiatree... Thanks in advance David Hill F. excorticata? I believe that's the largest Fuchsia in the world. * Does it have peeling bark and blue pollen? *It's not reliably hardy in UK but does ome through the winter in warmer locations. *It's aka the Fuchsia tree. -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Following up on the idea of Buddleija curviflora. I found this name Buddleja japonica just with 2 links, the pics match. Just remembered that the RHS hade a small trial of Buddleija at Wisley, and I hope to go back there early Sept. I was there the other day, I called in after taking the wife to Gatwick Airport Re the fuchsia, ther seems to be so much confusion betweem F. Magalenica and F. Riccartonii' when you look in Google images, you find both totaly mixed. These 3 are confusing The first is http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...iccartonii.jpg The second was bought years ago as Riccartonii Alba, But I doubt it http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...niialbaNot.jpg The 3rd is the one I am trying to name http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...hsiatree02.jpg A group of them together http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...xedgroup01.jpg http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...xedgroup02.jpg Its not F. excorticata Sacha, I had that a few years ago and lost it in a mild winter, the flowers were not the same. David Hill |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
Following up on the idea of Buddleija *curviflora. *I found this name Buddleja japonica just with 2 links, the pics match. Just remembered that the RHS hade a small trial of Buddleija at Wisley, and I hope to go back there early Sept. I was there the other day, I called in after taking the wife to Gatwick Airport I understand that B. japonica and curvifolia are synonymous. I tried to discover the correct current name, but it is not listed in the Kew Checklist, so I stuck with the name I fist knew. I'll drop Raphael Govaerts a line and see what the current ruling is. Re the fuchsia, ther seems to be so much confusion betweem F. Magalenica and F. Riccartonii' when you look in Google images, you find both totaly mixed. Which is why I try to steer clear of Google and never use it to identify a plant unless it is to source an image for confirmation from a 'safe' web site. It's OK for basic things and TBH the magellanica types should be in that category. Unfortunately, folks will publish pics on the web with the wrong names or omit on an important part of the name. I've just had a look around and am amazed at the wealth of inconsistencies and inaccuracies. Even the 'wikis' - those supposed 'authoritative information' sources, have it wrong. There again, any Tom, Dick or Harry can post unchallenged and that is what has happened in this instance. I'm sure you've seen the same with species Dahlias and early hybrids. 'Riccartonii' was a very popular hedging Fuchsia during the '50s through to the early '70s and largely replaced 'straight' magellanica for this purpose because of its more substantial flowers and denser, more compact growth. It was often treated as a variety of magellanica, but I feel sure it is a primary hybrid with that species as a parent. Fashions changed and deciduous flowering hedges were superceded by evergreen ones and 'Riccartonii' more or less fell out of favour. It's not often seen in the trade nowadays, which is a pity because it is a good, hardy shrub, with nice dark foliage and can be easily controlled in a confined space. Left to its own devices, it will develop into a rather handsome small tree and is all the better for being allowed to do so. |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
Dave Hill wrote:
A group of them togetherhttp://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff82/taffy4u2/Budleija/Mixedgroup0...http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Mixedgroup0... From left to right they are F. magellanica, F. magellanica 'alba' & F. 'Riccartonii' |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
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, says... On 15 Aug, 10:17, Sacha wrote: On 2010-08-14 23:10:32 +0100, Dave Hill said: Having sorted out Sachas mystery Buddleija can anyone help with a name for my mystery one http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk.... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk.... My other request is for a name for this Fuchsia, it came from a Fuchsia tree I saw being felled in Swansea several years ago, it had a trunk of well over 6 inches and was around 10 ft tall and the same wide. Tough, good grower and very floriferous. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Fuchsiatree.... Thanks in advance David Hill F. excorticata? I believe that's the largest Fuchsia in the world. * Does it have peeling bark and blue pollen? *It's not reliably hardy in UK but does ome through the winter in warmer locations. *It's aka the Fuchsia tree. -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Following up on the idea of Buddleija curviflora. I found this name Buddleja japonica just with 2 links, the pics match. Just remembered that the RHS hade a small trial of Buddleija at Wisley, and I hope to go back there early Sept. I was there the other day, I called in after taking the wife to Gatwick Airport Re the fuchsia, ther seems to be so much confusion betweem F. Magalenica and F. Riccartonii' when you look in Google images, you find both totaly mixed. These 3 are confusing The first is http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...iccartonii.jpg The second was bought years ago as Riccartonii Alba, But I doubt it http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...niialbaNot.jpg The 3rd is the one I am trying to name http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...hsiatree02.jpg A group of them together http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...xedgroup01.jpg http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...xedgroup02.jpg Its not F. excorticata Sacha, I had that a few years ago and lost it in a mild winter, the flowers were not the same. David Hill Its not buddleja japonica which I also have as that has drooping panicles and a more lilac colour -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
On 15 Aug, 13:09, Charlie Pridham wrote:
In article 32d942b1-0246-4776-b42b- , says... On 15 Aug, 10:17, Sacha wrote: On 2010-08-14 23:10:32 +0100, Dave Hill said: Having sorted out Sachas mystery Buddleija can anyone help with a name for my mystery one http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/BudleijaUnk... My other request is for a name for this Fuchsia, it came from a Fuchsia tree I saw being felled in Swansea several years ago, it had a trunk of well over 6 inches and was around 10 ft tall and the same wide. Tough, good grower and very floriferous. http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Fuchsiatree... Thanks in advance David Hill F. excorticata? I believe that's the largest Fuchsia in the world. * Does it have peeling bark and blue pollen? *It's not reliably hardy in UK but does ome through the winter in warmer locations. *It's aka the Fuchsia tree. -- Sachawww.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Following up on the idea of Buddleija *curviflora. *I found this name Buddleja japonica just with 2 links, the pics match. Just remembered that the RHS hade a small trial of Buddleija at Wisley, and I hope to go back there early Sept. I was there the other day, I called in after taking the wife to Gatwick Airport Re the fuchsia, ther seems to be so much confusion betweem F. Magalenica and F. Riccartonii' when you look in Google images, you find both totaly mixed. These 3 are confusing The first ishttp://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff82/taffy4u2/Budleija/Riccartonii... The second was bought years ago as Riccartonii Alba, But I doubt it http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Riccartonii... The 3rd is the one I am trying to name http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Fuchsiatree... A group of them together http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Mixedgroup0... http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...ja/Mixedgroup0... Its not F. excorticata Sacha, I had that a few years ago and lost it in a mild winter, the flowers were not the same. David Hill Its not buddleja japonica which I also have as that has drooping panicles and a more lilac colour -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Charlie The picture was taken with sun on it, I will post another taken shaded, the panicles were lax on the plant I got my cutting from. I havn't tried it for scent, I'll check. David Hill |
Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
On 15 Aug, 13:05, Dave Poole wrote:
*Dave Hill wrote: A group of them togetherhttp://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff82/taffy4u2/Budleija/Mixedgroup0...... From left to right they are F. magellanica, F. magellanica 'alba' & F. 'Riccartonii' Thanks Dave That has been in my mind that it was Magellanica, but having had Alba from a well known Fuschia Nursery that I have known for over 30 years and them calling it Riccartonii Alba, well who was I to argue, but I've still had my doubts. My only reservation has been that the flowers of what I've been calling "Tree" were more robust, and stout than Alba. I always try to check plant names when I get new plants but it's not always possible, I'd rather sell a plant unnamed than with the wrong name. David Hill |
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Buddleija identity 2 and Fuchsia ident Please
Sacha wrote:
Isn't F. Riccartonii the traditional Devon hedging one? *Or is that F. magellanica?! Well, in some spots F. magellanica is as naturalised here (Devon) as it is in Ireland. There's a 4m. high one out in the lane, hanging over my fence and proving that winters like the last have to be a darned sight more severe to have any effect. There are quite a few 'Riccartonii' hedges surrounding older gardens down here, but I'm not sure I'd go quite so far as to call it the traditional Devon hedging. If the truth be known, I've always preferred F. magellanica 'alba' to all of the rest - despite having absolutely no admiration for any of the the pink shades, irrespective of their palor. I just love the way it drips! |
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