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Avocado reached the roof.
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message u... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Avocado can grow in frosty areas but they need good frost protection when young. They grow in to quite large trees eventually so need space so sacrifical trees as protection is worth thinking about. The following cite may help. It is about one of Australia's gardening experts (but of the alternative variety so what she tries, and can manage to grow, often goes against conventional wisdom). She lives in an area where it can get down to -9C at worst but would regularly get to -4C: http://www.jackiefrench.com/groves.html Here is a series of pics of the garden of the author I mentioned above with a pic of an avocado with fruit. I do know that the area she lives in gets as cold as she claims it does. So what? She knows nothing of growing plants in a cold climate. She grows plants in a warm temperate climate with occasional frosts. This is a quote from her "The Magic Grove" page: How To Start a Grove Step 1. Start your grove with a single, very hardy tree that you will survive severe frost, hellish winds, summers over 45C and drought...a bunya, loquat, macadamia... So Bunya (Araucaria bidwillii) is "very hardy", is it?! It may grow on Tresco (I can't remember if there is one there) but is there a plant surviving anywhere on the UK mainland? I doubt it. To quote from the Wikipedia entry "Once established Bunyas are quite hardy and can be grown as far south as Hobart in Australia (42° S) and Christchurch in New Zealand (43° S) and (at least) as far north as Sacramento in California (38° N) and Lisbon (in the botanical garden)." Even the extreme south of the British mainland (50°N) is 10° north of these areas. And as for macadamia (Macadamia integrifolia of tetraphylla), no chance! Another quote from Wikipedia "Macadamias prefer ... temperatures not falling below 10 °C (although once established they can withstand light frosts)...". She has got a loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) right. That will withstand heavy frosts. But if you are waiting for a good crop of fruit in the UK, you'd be better off looking in your local supermarket. -- Jeff |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Avocado can grow in frosty areas but they need good frost protection when young. They grow in to quite large trees eventually so need space so sacrifical trees as protection is worth thinking about. The following cite may help. It is about one of Australia's gardening experts (but of the alternative variety so what she tries, and can manage to grow, often goes against conventional wisdom). She lives in an area where it can get down to -9C at worst but would regularly get to -4C: http://www.jackiefrench.com/groves.html Here is a series of pics of the garden of the author I mentioned above with a pic of an avocado with fruit. I do know that the area she lives in gets as cold as she claims it does. So what? She knows nothing of growing plants in a cold climate. She grows plants in a warm temperate climate with occasional frosts. This is a quote from her "The Magic Grove" page: How To Start a Grove Step 1. Start your grove with a single, very hardy tree that you will survive severe frost, hellish winds, summers over 45C and drought...a bunya, loquat, macadamia... So Bunya (Araucaria bidwillii) is "very hardy", is it?! It may grow on Tresco (I can't remember if there is one there) but is there a plant surviving anywhere on the UK mainland? I doubt it. To quote from the Wikipedia entry "Once established Bunyas are quite hardy and can be grown as far south as Hobart in Australia (42° S) and Christchurch in New Zealand (43° S) and (at least) as far north as Sacramento in California (38° N) and Lisbon (in the botanical garden)." Even the extreme south of the British mainland (50°N) is 10° north of these areas. And as for macadamia (Macadamia integrifolia of tetraphylla), no chance! Another quote from Wikipedia "Macadamias prefer ... temperatures not falling below 10 °C (although once established they can withstand light frosts)...". She has got a loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) right. That will withstand heavy frosts. But if you are waiting for a good crop of fruit in the UK, you'd be better off looking in your local supermarket. You've raised some interesting questions. She's a top grower of all sorts of things weird and wonderful and she does things that most people say just can't be done and that no mere mortal should be able to do in her climate. Growing coffee and many of the other things she does should be absolutley impossible where she lives but apparently she does it. I wouldn't even consider a A. bidwillii or a macadamia if I wanted to plant a hardy tree, I'd use a radiata pine Or failign that, a realy big rose. However, since the question was about growing an avocado in Exeter which must be one of the mildest climes in the UK that is what we should concentrate on and since Charlie Pridham says that avacodo can grow in London and I can't see why it wouldn't be worth a try. But yougot me interested about A. bidwilliii so I did a quick google. Apparently they have been grown in Cornwall at places called Glendurgan, Penjarrick and Mount Edgecumbe. Never heard of any of these place, but I imagine that they'd have to be quite big gardens. No-one with less than 3 or 4 acres should consider growing an A. Bidwillii if they were smart (and even then I'd wonder why). The are as ugly as sin, have bark like an elephant's bottom once mature, grow way too big on anything less than major acreage and the nuts on those things are lethal. |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message ... "Jeff Layman" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Avocado can grow in frosty areas but they need good frost protection when young. They grow in to quite large trees eventually so need space so sacrifical trees as protection is worth thinking about. The following cite may help. It is about one of Australia's gardening experts (but of the alternative variety so what she tries, and can manage to grow, often goes against conventional wisdom). She lives in an area where it can get down to -9C at worst but would regularly get to -4C: http://www.jackiefrench.com/groves.html Here is a series of pics of the garden of the author I mentioned above with a pic of an avocado with fruit. I do know that the area she lives in gets as cold as she claims it does. So what? She knows nothing of growing plants in a cold climate. She grows plants in a warm temperate climate with occasional frosts. This is a quote from her "The Magic Grove" page: How To Start a Grove Step 1. Start your grove with a single, very hardy tree that you will survive severe frost, hellish winds, summers over 45C and drought...a bunya, loquat, macadamia... So Bunya (Araucaria bidwillii) is "very hardy", is it?! It may grow on Tresco (I can't remember if there is one there) but is there a plant surviving anywhere on the UK mainland? I doubt it. To quote from the Wikipedia entry "Once established Bunyas are quite hardy and can be grown as far south as Hobart in Australia (42° S) and Christchurch in New Zealand (43° S) and (at least) as far north as Sacramento in California (38° N) and Lisbon (in the botanical garden)." Even the extreme south of the British mainland (50°N) is 10° north of these areas. And as for macadamia (Macadamia integrifolia of tetraphylla), no chance! Another quote from Wikipedia "Macadamias prefer ... temperatures not falling below 10 °C (although once established they can withstand light frosts)...". She has got a loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) right. That will withstand heavy frosts. But if you are waiting for a good crop of fruit in the UK, you'd be better off looking in your local supermarket. You've raised some interesting questions. She's a top grower of all sorts of things weird and wonderful and she does things that most people say just can't be done and that no mere mortal should be able to do in her climate. Growing coffee and many of the other things she does should be absolutley impossible where she lives but apparently she does it. I wouldn't even consider a A. bidwillii or a macadamia if I wanted to plant a hardy tree, I'd use a radiata pine Or failign that, a realy big rose. However, since the question was about growing an avocado in Exeter which must be one of the mildest climes in the UK that is what we should concentrate on and since Charlie Pridham says that avacodo can grow in London and I can't see why it wouldn't be worth a try. But yougot me interested about A. bidwilliii so I did a quick google. Apparently they have been grown in Cornwall at places called Glendurgan, Penjarrick and Mount Edgecumbe. Never heard of any of these place, but I imagine that they'd have to be quite big gardens. No-one with less than 3 or 4 acres should consider growing an A. Bidwillii if they were smart (and even then I'd wonder why). The are as ugly as sin, have bark like an elephant's bottom once mature, grow way too big on anything less than major acreage and the nuts on those things are lethal. London has a microclimate all of its own. I doubt there are many true frosts in central London which are prolonged into the day. There are many plants which could be grown there which would probably not survive in even south-west Cornwall, and with the added bonus of a large, south-facing wall to act as a storage heater, I am sure quite a few "tropical" fruits are in reach. It would be interesting to see a photo of an Avocado tree fruiting in Exeter, although I doubt it could be done outside of glass protection! I remain unconvinced about A. bidwillii. The photo here http://teegee8.smugmug.com/Nature/Gl...04556979_afj3B looks very much like A. araucana to me. If you compare it with http://anpsa.org.au/a-bid.html or http://www.maltawildplants.com/ARAU/...idwillii_t.jpg you will se what I mean. I have emailed Glendurgan to see if they have - or had - A. bidwillii there. The ref here http://www.growingontheedge.net/view...e024c 7a8e2ac to A. bidwillii actually has a photo of A. araucana at Penjerrick! The page does refer to bidwillii, but growing on Madeira. -- Jeff |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
... "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message You've raised some interesting questions. She's a top grower of all sorts of things weird and wonderful and she does things that most people say just can't be done and that no mere mortal should be able to do in her climate. Growing coffee and many of the other things she does should be absolutley impossible where she lives but apparently she does it. I wouldn't even consider a A. bidwillii or a macadamia if I wanted to plant a hardy tree, I'd use a radiata pine Or failign that, a realy big rose. However, since the question was about growing an avocado in Exeter which must be one of the mildest climes in the UK that is what we should concentrate on and since Charlie Pridham says that avacodo can grow in London and I can't see why it wouldn't be worth a try. But yougot me interested about A. bidwilliii so I did a quick google. Apparently they have been grown in Cornwall at places called Glendurgan, Penjarrick and Mount Edgecumbe. Never heard of any of these place, but I imagine that they'd have to be quite big gardens. No-one with less than 3 or 4 acres should consider growing an A. Bidwillii if they were smart (and even then I'd wonder why). The are as ugly as sin, have bark like an elephant's bottom once mature, grow way too big on anything less than major acreage and the nuts on those things are lethal. London has a microclimate all of its own. I doubt there are many true frosts in central London which are prolonged into the day. There are many plants which could be grown there which would probably not survive in even south-west Cornwall, and with the added bonus of a large, south-facing wall to act as a storage heater, I am sure quite a few "tropical" fruits are in reach. It would be interesting to see a photo of an Avocado tree fruiting in Exeter, although I doubt it could be done outside of glass protection! I remain unconvinced about A. bidwillii. The photo here http://teegee8.smugmug.com/Nature/Gl...04556979_afj3B looks very much like A. araucana to me. If you compare it with http://anpsa.org.au/a-bid.html or http://www.maltawildplants.com/ARAU/...idwillii_t.jpg you will se what I mean. I have emailed Glendurgan to see if they have - or had - A. bidwillii there. Well, I stand corrected! I have had a very quick reply from Glendurgan: "There was an original that grew at Glendurgan many years ago and was lost in a cold winter once it had reached a reasonable size. The present tree is young but been planted now for approx 10 years and is growing well. Although it has not enjoyed the last two winters!" I hope it survives long enough for me to get down there to see it! -- Jeff |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message You've raised some interesting questions. She's a top grower of all sorts of things weird and wonderful and she does things that most people say just can't be done and that no mere mortal should be able to do in her climate. Growing coffee and many of the other things she does should be absolutley impossible where she lives but apparently she does it. I wouldn't even consider a A. bidwillii or a macadamia if I wanted to plant a hardy tree, I'd use a radiata pine Or failign that, a realy big rose. However, since the question was about growing an avocado in Exeter which must be one of the mildest climes in the UK that is what we should concentrate on and since Charlie Pridham says that avacodo can grow in London and I can't see why it wouldn't be worth a try. But yougot me interested about A. bidwilliii so I did a quick google. Apparently they have been grown in Cornwall at places called Glendurgan, Penjarrick and Mount Edgecumbe. Never heard of any of these place, but I imagine that they'd have to be quite big gardens. No-one with less than 3 or 4 acres should consider growing an A. Bidwillii if they were smart (and even then I'd wonder why). The are as ugly as sin, have bark like an elephant's bottom once mature, grow way too big on anything less than major acreage and the nuts on those things are lethal. London has a microclimate all of its own. I doubt there are many true frosts in central London which are prolonged into the day. There are many plants which could be grown there which would probably not survive in even south-west Cornwall, and with the added bonus of a large, south-facing wall to act as a storage heater, I am sure quite a few "tropical" fruits are in reach. It would be interesting to see a photo of an Avocado tree fruiting in Exeter, although I doubt it could be done outside of glass protection! I remain unconvinced about A. bidwillii. The photo here http://teegee8.smugmug.com/Nature/Gl...04556979_afj3B looks very much like A. araucana to me. If you compare it with http://anpsa.org.au/a-bid.html or http://www.maltawildplants.com/ARAU/...idwillii_t.jpg you will se what I mean. I have emailed Glendurgan to see if they have - or had - A. bidwillii there. Well, I stand corrected! I have had a very quick reply from Glendurgan: "There was an original that grew at Glendurgan many years ago and was lost in a cold winter once it had reached a reasonable size. The present tree is young but been planted now for approx 10 years and is growing well. Although it has not enjoyed the last two winters!" I hope it survives long enough for me to get down there to see it! If you are that keen on them, come to Oz where there are some truly huge brutes about. I must admit I can't understand the interest. But then the Wollomi Pine is another plant that fails to interest me. The story of it's discovery is interesting but the plant..... Nah! |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message
... I hope it survives long enough for me to get down there to see it! If you are that keen on them, come to Oz where there are some truly huge brutes about. I must admit I can't understand the interest. But then the Wollomi Pine is another plant that fails to interest me. The story of it's discovery is interesting but the plant..... Nah! I am sorry to have to tell you that my favourite tree is Araucaria araucana! I find the Araucariaceae a fascinating family (never mind Oz. If only someone would give me a ticket to New Caledonia...) and if you could see the Araucaria forests of Chile you would be very impressed. Have to agree with you somewhat about the Wollomi Pine, though. I can't see what all the fuss is about. In fact, despite the obvious resemblance, it seems that the fact is was a member of the Araucariaceae was hidden for quite some time. Still, the most impressive flora in the world is that from WOz. So plenty of other things for you to choose from if you don't like A. bidwillii. :-)) -- Jeff |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message I hope it survives long enough for me to get down there to see it! If you are that keen on them, come to Oz where there are some truly huge brutes about. I must admit I can't understand the interest. But then the Wollomi Pine is another plant that fails to interest me. The story of it's discovery is interesting but the plant..... Nah! I am sorry to have to tell you that my favourite tree is Araucaria araucana! A case of 'to each their own' methinks. I find the Araucariaceae a fascinating family (never mind Oz. If only someone would give me a ticket to New Caledonia...) and if you could see the Araucaria forests of Chile you would be very impressed. I'm impressed with most forests so long as they aren't full of people. Much more impressive than most cathedrals TMWOT. So yes, I'd probably be impressed with the New Caledonia ones. A toally irrelevant aside - I wonder in what way it was so like the Old Caledonia to get that name? Have to agree with you somewhat about the Wollomi Pine, though. I can't see what all the fuss is about. In fact, despite the obvious resemblance, it seems that the fact is was a member of the Araucariaceae was hidden for quite some time. Still, the most impressive flora in the world is that from WOz. So plenty of other things for you to choose from if you don't like A. bidwillii. :-)) So many plants, so little time, so limiting a climate....... |
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Avocado reached the roof.
"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
"FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "Jeff Layman" wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message "FarmI" ask@itshall be given wrote in message Avocado can grow in frosty areas but they need good frost protection when young. They grow in to quite large trees eventually so need space so sacrifical trees as protection is worth thinking about. The following cite may help. It is about one of Australia's gardening experts (but of the alternative variety so what she tries, and can manage to grow, often goes against conventional wisdom). She lives in an area where it can get down to -9C at worst but would regularly get to -4C: http://www.jackiefrench.com/groves.html Here is a series of pics of the garden of the author I mentioned above with a pic of an avocado with fruit. I do know that the area she lives in gets as cold as she claims it does. So what? She knows nothing of growing plants in a cold climate. She grows plants in a warm temperate climate with occasional frosts. This is a quote from her "The Magic Grove" page: How To Start a Grove Step 1. Start your grove with a single, very hardy tree that you will survive severe frost, hellish winds, summers over 45C and drought...a bunya, loquat, macadamia... So Bunya (Araucaria bidwillii) is "very hardy", is it?! It may grow on Tresco (I can't remember if there is one there) but is there a plant surviving anywhere on the UK mainland? I doubt it. To quote from the Wikipedia entry "Once established Bunyas are quite hardy and can be grown as far south as Hobart in Australia (42° S) and Christchurch in New Zealand (43° S) and (at least) as far north as Sacramento in California (38° N) and Lisbon (in the botanical garden)." Even the extreme south of the British mainland (50°N) is 10° north of these areas. And as for macadamia (Macadamia integrifolia of tetraphylla), no chance! Another quote from Wikipedia "Macadamias prefer ... temperatures not falling below 10 °C (although once established they can withstand light frosts)...". She has got a loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) right. That will withstand heavy frosts. But if you are waiting for a good crop of fruit in the UK, you'd be better off looking in your local supermarket. You've raised some interesting questions. She's a top grower of all sorts of things weird and wonderful and she does things that most people say just can't be done and that no mere mortal should be able to do in her climate. Growing coffee and many of the other things she does should be absolutley impossible where she lives but apparently she does it. I wouldn't even consider a A. bidwillii or a macadamia if I wanted to plant a hardy tree, I'd use a radiata pine Or failign that, a realy big rose. However, since the question was about growing an avocado in Exeter which must be one of the mildest climes in the UK that is what we should concentrate on and since Charlie Pridham says that avacodo can grow in London and I can't see why it wouldn't be worth a try. But yougot me interested about A. bidwilliii so I did a quick google. Apparently they have been grown in Cornwall at places called Glendurgan, Penjarrick and Mount Edgecumbe. Never heard of any of these place, but I imagine that they'd have to be quite big gardens. No-one with less than 3 or 4 acres should consider growing an A. Bidwillii if they were smart (and even then I'd wonder why). The are as ugly as sin, have bark like an elephant's bottom once mature, grow way too big on anything less than major acreage and the nuts on those things are lethal. London has a microclimate all of its own. I doubt there are many true frosts in central London which are prolonged into the day. There are many plants which could be grown there which would probably not survive in even south-west Cornwall, and with the added bonus of a large, south-facing wall to act as a storage heater, I am sure quite a few "tropical" fruits are in reach. It would be interesting to see a photo of an Avocado tree fruiting in Exeter, although I doubt it could be done outside of glass protection! The OP didn't ask about getting it to fruit so we have no idea if this is the aim. From the qusetion asked, it seems the OP might jsut want it to live and is thus worried aobut frosts. IF they've grown it from a seed (and that would be probalbe) then it would take a long time to fruit anyway. I know that avocadoes can survive frosts. I remain unconvinced about A. bidwillii. The photo here http://teegee8.smugmug.com/Nature/Gl...04556979_afj3B looks very much like A. araucana to me. If you compare it with http://anpsa.org.au/a-bid.html or http://www.maltawildplants.com/ARAU/...idwillii_t.jpg you will se what I mean. I have emailed Glendurgan to see if they have - or had - A. bidwillii there. The ref here http://www.growingontheedge.net/view...e024c 7a8e2ac to A. bidwillii actually has a photo of A. araucana at Penjerrick! The page does refer to bidwillii, but growing on Madeira. I don't really care if A. bidwillii will grow in the UK or not. It's not a plant I like and nor is it what the OP asked about. I just did a google to see if it got a mention as growing in the UK. It did. |
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