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limits on garden waste as mulch?
Having recently purchased a mulcher, I'm wondering if there is a
consensus to whether certain waste, like rose prunings, shouldn't be used as mulch around other plants as they might carry disease. For example, I wouldn't put maple clippings as mulch, they might transmit bacterial cankers or even verticillium. I'd probably not put rose, and although I did use a lot of willow the other day after putting it through the machine, now I wonder if that was wise. Things like elder or hedge laurel, give me no qualms. So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Thanks, -E P.S. saw the first snowdrops poking up this afternoon! |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On 11/21/2010 01:58 PM, Janet wrote:
So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Living in a phytophthora-affected area I wouldn't use shreddings from any host species. That sounds reasonable. The other day I shredded a lot of bramble and didn't mulch with it on the theory it might grow from tips. I suppose my line will be drawn at anything that might carry a pathogen or will regrow. -E |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On Nov 21, 12:42*pm, Emery Davis wrote:
Having recently purchased a mulcher, I'm wondering if there is a consensus to whether certain waste, like rose prunings, shouldn't be used as mulch around other plants as they might carry disease. For example, I wouldn't put maple clippings as mulch, they might transmit bacterial cankers or even verticillium. *I'd probably not put rose, and although I did use a lot of willow the other day after putting it through the machine, now I wonder if that was wise. *Things like elder or hedge laurel, give me no qualms. So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Thanks, -E P.S. *saw the first snowdrops poking up this afternoon! The world is full of diseases, fungii and bacterii. I don't worry about it. Bung it all through the machine. |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
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limits on garden waste as mulch?
"harry" wrote in message ... On Nov 21, 12:42 pm, Emery Davis wrote: Having recently purchased a mulcher, I'm wondering if there is a consensus to whether certain waste, like rose prunings, shouldn't be used as mulch around other plants as they might carry disease. For example, I wouldn't put maple clippings as mulch, they might transmit bacterial cankers or even verticillium. I'd probably not put rose, and although I did use a lot of willow the other day after putting it through the machine, now I wonder if that was wise. Things like elder or hedge laurel, give me no qualms. So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Thanks, -E P.S. saw the first snowdrops poking up this afternoon! The world is full of diseases, fungii and bacterii. I don't worry about it. Bung it all through the machine. .................................................. ....................... and then put it on the compost heap and leave it for a year :-)) THEN sift it and use it as a top mulch :-)) We have done this for ages and it works. :-)) Mike -- .................................... Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday. .................................... |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
g'day emery,
2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't experience that as we run healthy gardens. two completely compost it adding in worms at the appropriate stage, the use of hot composting will neutralize a lot of stuff and if you aren't adding in material that is badly infected with a transmitable issue then no worries. we cut and drop our pruning and they get mulched over no issues have ever surfaced, as we also mulch our spent vege's where they once grew. On Sun, 21 Nov 2010 13:42:55 +0100, Emery Davis wrote: snipped -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
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says... On 11/21/2010 01:58 PM, Janet wrote: So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Living in a phytophthora-affected area I wouldn't use shreddings from any host species. That sounds reasonable. The other day I shredded a lot of bramble and didn't mulch with it on the theory it might grow from tips. I suppose my line will be drawn at anything that might carry a pathogen or will regrow. -E I use everything, except plants that die under suspicious circumstances! I don't put rose shreddings under the roses and I have never known anything grow from shreddings so I don't worry about that. Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On Nov 22, 12:49*pm, Charlie Pridham
wrote: In article , says... On 11/21/2010 01:58 PM, Janet wrote: So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Living in a phytophthora-affected area I wouldn't use shreddings from *any host species. That sounds reasonable. The other day I shredded a lot of bramble and didn't mulch with it on the theory it might grow from tips. I suppose my line will be drawn at anything that might carry a pathogen or will regrow. -E I use everything, except plants that die under suspicious circumstances! I don't put rose shreddings under the roses and I have never known anything grow from shreddings so I don't worry about that. Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I find that what ever I put down as mulch the blackbirds move it around so much that it is kept aireated and all theie scratching about moves weeds as well. David |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On Nov 22, 2:28*pm, Dave Hill wrote:
On Nov 22, 12:49*pm, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article , says... On 11/21/2010 01:58 PM, Janet wrote: So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Living in a phytophthora-affected area I wouldn't use shreddings from *any host species. That sounds reasonable. The other day I shredded a lot of bramble and didn't mulch with it on the theory it might grow from tips. I suppose my line will be drawn at anything that might carry a pathogen or will regrow. -E I use everything, except plants that die under suspicious circumstances! I don't put rose shreddings under the roses and I have never known anything grow from shreddings so I don't worry about that. Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I find that what ever I put down as mulch the blackbirds move it around so much that it is kept aireated and all theie scratching about moves weeds as well. David- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My mulches grows wonderfull crops of poisonous looking toadstools. Must be around ten different sorts. |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
"harry" wrote in message ... On Nov 22, 2:28 pm, Dave Hill wrote: On Nov 22, 12:49 pm, Charlie Pridham wrote: In article , says... On 11/21/2010 01:58 PM, Janet wrote: So, what garden waste would be unsafe to use ground up as mulch around trees and shrubs? Living in a phytophthora-affected area I wouldn't use shreddings from any host species. That sounds reasonable. The other day I shredded a lot of bramble and didn't mulch with it on the theory it might grow from tips. I suppose my line will be drawn at anything that might carry a pathogen or will regrow. -E I use everything, except plants that die under suspicious circumstances! I don't put rose shreddings under the roses and I have never known anything grow from shreddings so I don't worry about that. Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwallwww.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I find that what ever I put down as mulch the blackbirds move it around so much that it is kept aireated and all theie scratching about moves weeds as well. David- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My mulches grows wonderfull crops of poisonous looking toadstools. Must be around ten different sorts. ............................................,..... .......................... I spent all of an hour in the garden today :-(((( Got the shredder out, shredded quite a bit of stuff. Put it in the bottom of the empty compost bin, (the contents had been spread as a mulch earlier in the year) then turned the full bin into the empty :-)) What went through the shredder? Palm leaves, Blackberry stalks over 6 ft long + other plants a 'non gardener' hasn't a clue as to what they are :-)) but the resultant shreddings went in towards next year's mulch :-)) Mike Question. Should gardening be a 'Serious' thing? ;-) Sorry if I offend the 'experts' but I feel that nature will look after itself anyway ;-))) .................................... Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday. .................................... |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On 11/22/2010 01:49 PM, Charlie Pridham wrote:
I use everything, except plants that die under suspicious circumstances! I don't put rose shreddings under the roses and I have never known anything grow from shreddings so I don't worry about that. Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground OK, thanks. That's good advice. I still think ivy berries are too dangerous, but I will use the bramble. Certainly got plenty of that! -E |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote:
2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't experience that as we run healthy gardens. Hello, I wonder if down under you've less problems with disease because it's dryer. "most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a stretch in our climate! ;) -E |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On 11/22/2010 11:43 PM, Janet wrote:
In article , says... On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote: 2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't experience that as we run healthy gardens. [snip] "most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a stretch in our climate! ;) If anything, Australia is even more careful about biosecurity than Britain; travellers between states are banned from carrying fruits because of the risk of spreading disease to commerial crops, and certain plants are banned from entry or dispersal in the wild. Maybe the poster was just obsessed with garden hygiene... :) Not that it helps much against a lot of what we have to fight! And of course, no matter how careful we might be, many garden center plants are infected with this or that. In the UK, some highly infectious plant diseases such as phytophtheras are notifiable, because of the risks they pose to native ecology, historic gardens, and commercial growers. The disposal of phytophthera-infected plants (and various invasive weeds) is heavily regulated and legislated. Bad stuff, sorry to hear you've got to deal with it. I had one case I was pretty confident about, but difficult to diagnose with surety. The (sadly rather expensive) plant in question was dug out and burned. -E |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
Charlie Pridham wrote:
Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground Whilst I have in the past had the luxury of multiple large compost bins, I currently have no room for them, so the shreddings go straight on the ground, and this seems to be working well. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... Charlie Pridham wrote: Unlike Mike I am too lazy to compost I just put it all straight on the ground Whilst I have in the past had the luxury of multiple large compost bins, I currently have no room for them, so the shreddings go straight on the ground, and this seems to be working well. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for more details. Coincidence is, that the photos were taken last time we turned the right bin into the left. We did the same thing yesterday!! If I went and took photos now, they would look the same!!! http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7 Mike -- .................................... Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday. .................................... |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
'Mike' wrote:
Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for more details. http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7 Yes, Mike, those look a really nice pair of bins. Out of curiosity, what did the timber cost? My current garden has no vegetable patch, and is simply a lawn with borders of varying depth. There is nowhere to hide any bins. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
"Chris J Dixon" wrote in message ... 'Mike' wrote: Chris, as has been reminded, we only have a small garden and have squeezed our bins into a corner where two paths join the gardens. Someone on here wanted to know how to construct a small bin so I took these pictures last year, complete with a measure in view. Click on the picture to enlarge for more details. http://www.myalbum.com/Album=A7TCLLF7 Yes, Mike, those look a really nice pair of bins. Out of curiosity, what did the timber cost? My current garden has no vegetable patch, and is simply a lawn with borders of varying depth. There is nowhere to hide any bins. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. They didn't cost anything actually Chris because they were made out of a fence I 'modified' :-) We had a paling fence of these 3 x 1 timber 6 ft high between our raised veg beds and the neighbours. Three things happened. The neighbour, a builder, built a block shed for his tools. He put a wooden shed behind it for his bike and fishing gear etc etc etc (well you know what gets into a shed) and the third thing, the fence posts snapped/rotted off. I redesigned the fence to be only 3 feet high, so had lots of 3 x 1 x 6fts over :-)) Cut them to size, Cuprinolled them again and there you have it. As has been pointed out many times, I am not 'A Gardener' in the plant aspect, but in the hardware, layout of paths, building raised beds, shredding and composting :-)) Cannot have everybody experts in gardening, there would be nobody left to do the 'menial tasks' ;-)) Mike -- .................................... Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday. .................................... |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On Nov 22, 10:43*pm, Janet wrote:
In article , says... On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote: 2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't experience that as we run healthy gardens. Hello, I wonder if down under you've less problems with disease because it's dryer. *Nope http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-...ests-diseases- weeds/biosecurity/plant_biosecurity *"most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a stretch in our climate! ;) * If anything, Australia is even more careful about biosecurity than Britain; travellers between states are banned from carrying fruits because of the risk of spreading disease to commerial crops, and certain plants are banned from entry or dispersal in the wild. * In the UK, some highly infectious *plant diseases such as phytophtheras are notifiable, because of the risks they pose to native ecology, historic gardens, and commercial growers. The disposal of phytophthera-infected plants (and various invasive weeds) is heavily regulated and legislated. http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-85TDX6 * Janet. That's P. ramorum Janet, others are not notifiable and are ubiquitous, like potato blight and P. cinnamomi mainly a serious pest of nursery stock though it was introduced accidentally to Tasmania and is wreaking havoc in their native flora. Rod |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
On Nov 22, 10:43*pm, Janet wrote:
In article , says... On 11/21/2010 08:09 PM, gardenlen wrote: 2 options i suppose, one don't shred material that is infected with some disease or other that might be transmitted. most of us don't experience that as we run healthy gardens. Hello, I wonder if down under you've less problems with disease because it's dryer. *Nope http://www.daff.gov.au/animal-plant-...ests-diseases- weeds/biosecurity/plant_biosecurity *"most of us don't experience" garden diseases seems like a stretch in our climate! ;) * If anything, Australia is even more careful about biosecurity than Britain; travellers between states are banned from carrying fruits because of the risk of spreading disease to commerial crops, and certain plants are banned from entry or dispersal in the wild. * In the UK, some highly infectious *plant diseases such as phytophtheras are notifiable, because of the risks they pose to native ecology, historic gardens, and commercial growers. The disposal of phytophthera-infected plants (and various invasive weeds) is heavily regulated and legislated. http://www.forestry.gov.uk/forestry/INFD-85TDX6 * Janet. I think what Len was getting at is that many plant diseases are shugged off by otherwise healthy well fed plants. You often tend to see the diseases when the plant is in trouble for some other reason. Rod |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
g'day emery,
where i live in the sub-ropics has wet and humid seasons, so yes many gardeners down here can experience diseases. we ourselves don't but maybe that might be more to do with how we plan our gardens and hen look after them?? we have our spider mites, mealy bugs, aphids all gardeners do and the odd wilt in tomato's and potato's. we get powdery mildew but only toward the end of the plans productive life when the health of the plant is at a lower ebb. all gets mulched. On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:42:07 +0100, Emery Davis wrote: snipped -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
g'day janet,
it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control system. On Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:43:50 -0000, Janet wrote: snipped -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
not obsessed with naything emery not even sure how one could be
obsessed in such a way? w jsut practise good husbandry, and yes garden centres have all sorts of common issues with their plants they neither carry or sell plants that have serious issues. so there again we deal with common garden issues which has no bearing on the mulching suitability of the plant material. we have tropical fruit fly to deal with that is not a disease that can be fixed as their is almost no way of rapping the female fly, so we net our soft fruits, and any damaged fruit gets destroyed not mulched on site. but that only affects the fruit not the plant. On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 00:06:19 +0100, Emery Davis wrote: snipped -- Matthew 25:13 KJV "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Mark 13:33 "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is". len With peace and brightest of blessings, "Be Content With What You Have And May You Find Serenity and Tranquillity In A World That You May Not Understand." http://www.lensgarden.com.au/ |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
In message ,
Janet writes In article , gardenlen0 says... g'day janet, it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control system. Large parts of western UK are currently experiencing outbreaks of disease that affects multiple species including native ones, can travel on wind, rain, tools, feet (including wildlife) and plant material, and has already been found in commercial plantations, private gardens, and plant nurseries. Add Country Parks to the mix. Two Country Parks locally (one of which is overrun with Rhododendron ponticum) have Phytophora ramorum - the eradication of Rhododendron ponticum for biodiversity reasons has now been put on high priority for disease control reasons. The National Trust garden next to one of the Country Parks also has it. Janet -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
In article ,
says... In article , says... In message , Janet writes In article , gardenlen0 says... g'day janet, it is uncommon for gardeners to get those sort of diseases that affect commercial growers, and when it affects commercial growers it can be because of a greedy grower or 2 trying to work outsid the control system. Large parts of western UK are currently experiencing outbreaks of disease that affects multiple species including native ones, can travel on wind, rain, tools, feet (including wildlife) and plant material, and has already been found in commercial plantations, private gardens, and plant nurseries. Add Country Parks to the mix. Two Country Parks locally (one of which is overrun with Rhododendron ponticum) have Phytophora ramorum - the eradication of Rhododendron ponticum for biodiversity reasons has now been put on high priority for disease control reasons. The National Trust garden next to one of the Country Parks also has it. Same here; a disaster since it's the NTS home of a famous Rhododendron collection. The compulsory containment/eradication procedures are a major headache for the estate and gardening staff, and will extend to all private gardens within a 3 mile radius if the ministry inspectors find it in any of them. Janet I am presently doing a small web site for the microprogation service at Duchy College Rosewarne, who were set up to rescue rare Rhodos (and other plants)under license In Cornwall this disease and others related to it are now endemic and found in all the water courses, all the heath and heather lands, all the forestry commission larch plantations (which are currently being clear felled and pretty much all the big gardens, government acted too little too late and I suspect in 20 years the country may lose a significant % of its tree cover. Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
In message , Charlie
Pridham writes Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around Wouldn't a biomass power station take it? -- Stewart Robert Hinsley |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message ... In message , Charlie Pridham writes Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around Wouldn't a biomass power station take it? -- Stewart Robert Hinsley No doubt, but can't you see the outcry from the neighbours? ;-) Mike -- .................................... Today, is the tomorrow, you were worrying about, yesterday. .................................... |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
In article ,
says... In message , Charlie Pridham writes Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around Wouldn't a biomass power station take it? They are not allowed to move it off site, I believe after a time they will be allowed to use the commercial larch but only after de barking on site. the laural is not allowed to be burnt so I would have thought burning it in a power station wouldn't help (we don't have any very near either) -- Charlie Pridham, Gardening in Cornwall www.roselandhouse.co.uk Holders of national collections of Clematis viticella cultivars and Lapageria rosea |
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On 24/11/2010 14:15, Charlie Pridham wrote:
In , says... Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around That is totally silly. Burning it will destroy the cyanide containing glycosides and whilst you should not stand in the smoke it would be far more likely that you would die of carbon monoxide poisoning first. It isn't like poison ivy or oak where the smoke can actually be almost as bad as mustard gas. Cyanide is pretty easily broken down in a fire. Regards, Martin Brown |
limits on garden waste as mulch?
In article ,
Martin Brown wrote: On 24/11/2010 14:15, Charlie Pridham wrote: In , says... Best strategy seems to be to open up the woodland getting rid of understory and crown lifting the trees but it is hugely expensive and some idiot then decided they could not burn the cut laural due to the cyanide so we have huge piles of diseased wood lying around That is totally silly. Burning it will destroy the cyanide containing glycosides and whilst you should not stand in the smoke it would be far more likely that you would die of carbon monoxide poisoning first. It isn't like poison ivy or oak where the smoke can actually be almost as bad as mustard gas. Cyanide is pretty easily broken down in a fire. Yes. I posted a reference to its extreme flammability some time ago, but do note that the OP said "some idiot then decided". And, if there are any such idiots reading this, the 'poison' attaches to both the 'ivy' and the 'oak' :-) However, think of all of the ecological benefits of a large amount of rotting wood! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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