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Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three
years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Dec 8, 9:03*am, Derek wrote:
Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info What a shame, no more of Alice in wander land. But why bring in Rachel de Thame, she is almost as bad. Lets hope we get a good Prog as a result, it has been getting better slowly. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Derek" wrote in message ... Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph Good, the 'new' show was crap. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, Derek
wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Martin" wrote in message ... I for one liked Toby and Alys, Us too what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. We are happy with GW as it is at the moment. I hope it isn't going to change for the worse, yet again. -- Monty and Rachel - definitely the "A" team (:-) Joe and Carol are very livable with too ! Regards Pete (The Uncouth) www.thecanalshop.com |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message , Pete
writes "Martin" wrote in message .. . I for one liked Toby and Alys, Us too what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. We are happy with GW as it is at the moment. I hope it isn't going to change for the worse, yet again. -- Monty and Rachel - definitely the "A" team (:-) Joe and Carol are very livable with too ! Regards Pete (The Uncouth) www.thecanalshop.com Rather sorry to see Alys go. She was practical and quite happy to get mucky. I always feel that Rachel tends to look after her finger nails too much-ish. Perhaps I'm being unfair. But - as stated by another poster - Alys was probably too strongly associated with the comparatively (in it's proper sense) unpopular Toby. Personally, I'd prefer AT to return from ITV and front the programme again. -- Gopher .... I know my place! |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Dec 8, 11:26*am, Derek wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, Derek wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant.www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Which is why turning an old football pitch into a garden was just plain "Daft" |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 11:26, Derek wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Excuse me, but I have a border. It's not as big or as grand as I'd like it to be and it's due an overhaul, but it *is* a border with a 'hot, fiery' end working towards a 'cooler' end. I enjoy very much seeing other gardeners create borders and long, broad beds for that matter. I believe that sort of planting is still relevant and still enjoyed. It teaches us about plants, using plants and colour and form; knowledge which can be applied to smaller projects with a little creative thought. I hope Monty does continue to plant a border, as well as fruit and veg and all the other things. Personally (although I like and respect Monty), I liked Toby's approach and teaching manner. He made me want to watch the programme again. Alys was also good and enthusiastic *and* complemented Toby's style well. Carol's knowledge and enthusiasm is always good value, so the three made a good team. I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Spider" wrote in message ... sic I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. -- I assume that the shortening is to a half hour - if so, agreed far too short. Only soaps should be so confined ! Forty-five minutes would be a fair compromise Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 15:05, Pete wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message ... sic I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. -- I assume that the shortening is to a half hour - if so, agreed far too short. Only soaps should be so confined ! Forty-five minutes would be a fair compromise Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com Agreed! But I'd prefer longer *and* a bit later in the evening so I don't have to drag myself in from the garden (while there's still good light)to see it. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, Derek
wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. Pam in Bristol |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Gopher wrote:
In message , Pete writes "Martin" wrote in message ... I for one liked Toby and Alys, Us too what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. We are happy with GW as it is at the moment. I hope it isn't going to change for the worse, yet again. -- Monty and Rachel - definitely the "A" team (:-) Joe and Carol are very livable with too ! Regards Pete (The Uncouth) www.thecanalshop.com Rather sorry to see Alys go. She was practical and quite happy to get mucky. I always feel that Rachel tends to look after her finger nails too much-ish. Perhaps I'm being unfair. You certainly are being unfair. I recall Rachel de Thame, when questioned by Jonathan Ross on his show about getting her hands dirty, she responded that she's always enjoyed getting her hands mucky and considered it part of the job.. This is excellent news, although GW had improved this last series. Personally I'd have kept Alys on and maybe ditched Carol as I've always found her a bit over-enthusiastic for my taste. Monty Don has been the best presenter since the late Geoff Hanilton. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Dave Hill wrote:
Which is why turning an old football pitch into a garden was just plain "Daft" I wonder what the exercise cost, and what is to become of it now. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Pete wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message ... I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. I assume that the shortening is to a half hour - if so, agreed far too short. But surely, in the past, 30 min has been the norm. The bloated and ill-conceived 2009 season was 1 hour, and it has reverted to 30 min for 2010, and has been a great improvement. Chris -- Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Dec 8, 4:15*pm, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Hill wrote: Which is why turning an old football pitch into a garden was just plain "Daft" I wonder what the exercise cost, and what is to become of it now. Chris -- Chris J Dixon *Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. I wonder if Toby Buckland could do a series on how to convert a garden into a football pitch? |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 14:34, Spider wrote:
On 08/12/2010 11:26, Derek wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Excuse me, but I have a border. It's not as big or as grand as I'd like it to be and it's due an overhaul, but it *is* a border with a 'hot, fiery' end working towards a 'cooler' end. I enjoy very much seeing other gardeners create borders and long, broad beds for that matter. I believe that sort of planting is still relevant and still enjoyed. It teaches us about plants, using plants and colour and form; knowledge which can be applied to smaller projects with a little creative thought. I hope Monty does continue to plant a border, as well as fruit and veg and all the other things. Personally (although I like and respect Monty), I liked Toby's approach and teaching manner. He made me want to watch the programme again. Alys was also good and enthusiastic *and* complemented Toby's style well. I never really took to him that much. Alys was OK and seemed very knowledgeable when she was given the chance to show it. Carol's knowledge and enthusiasm is always good value, so the three made a good team. I found her breathless enthusiasm and ludicrous scarves irritating. Alys did a better job of demonstrating various techniques. Rachel dT is a lot prettier than either but I don't see her as much of a gardener. I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. Definitely. There was a herb garden idea based on a rocky spiral that I though was actually quite inspired, but the rest were tedious. I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. They will be modelling it on the BigBrother, X-Factor or Celebrity Come Dancing next with a phone to decide who goes or stays :( Regards, Martin Brown |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message
, Dave Hill writes On Dec 8, 4:15*pm, Chris J Dixon wrote: Dave Hill wrote: Which is why turning an old football pitch into a garden was just plain "Daft" I wonder what the exercise cost, and what is to become of it now. Chris -- Chris J Dixon *Nottingham UK Have dancing shoes, will ceilidh. I wonder if Toby Buckland could do a series on how to convert a garden into a football pitch? Cruel :-)) -- Gopher .... I know my place! |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Pam Moore" wrote in message ... I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. I would probably not expect you to be inspired by Rachel - it is perhaps the male viewers who gain the most inspiration. (:-) Regards That uncouth Pete again www.thecanalshop.com |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message , Pete
writes "Pam Moore" wrote in message .. . I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. I would probably not expect you to be inspired by Rachel - it is perhaps the male viewers who gain the most inspiration. (:-) Regards That uncouth Pete again www.thecanalshop.com Not necessarily....... Alys has hidden depths, I'm sure :-)) -- Gopher .... I know my place! |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote:
Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 01:46:25 -0800, Dave Hill wrote:
What a shame, no more of Alice in wander land. But why bring in Rachel de Thame, she is almost as bad. Should've gone to Specsavers. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Jeff Layman wrote:
Rachel de Thame.:-) I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! Might possibly be nothing to do with that, but everything to do with the loss in viewing figures over the past 2 years |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 16:52, Martin Brown wrote:
On 08/12/2010 14:34, Spider wrote: On 08/12/2010 11:26, Derek wrote: On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: I for one liked Toby and Alys, what worries me is that we get back 'the long border' who today has a 'long border' we now have smaller plots and so containers and patios are more relevant. www.lincolnfuchsiasociety.info Excuse me, but I have a border. It's not as big or as grand as I'd like it to be and it's due an overhaul, but it *is* a border with a 'hot, fiery' end working towards a 'cooler' end. I enjoy very much seeing other gardeners create borders and long, broad beds for that matter. I believe that sort of planting is still relevant and still enjoyed. It teaches us about plants, using plants and colour and form; knowledge which can be applied to smaller projects with a little creative thought. I hope Monty does continue to plant a border, as well as fruit and veg and all the other things. Personally (although I like and respect Monty), I liked Toby's approach and teaching manner. He made me want to watch the programme again. Alys was also good and enthusiastic *and* complemented Toby's style well. I never really took to him that much. Alys was OK and seemed very knowledgeable when she was given the chance to show it. Carol's knowledge and enthusiasm is always good value, so the three made a good team. I found her breathless enthusiasm and ludicrous scarves irritating. Alys did a better job of demonstrating various techniques. I know what you mean about Carol, but she's a good, hands-on knowledgeable gardener. Not so many of those around these days. I can easily put up with her enthusiastic manner. At least it's natural and not the forced bon homie that comes with many other presenters. Rachel dT is a lot prettier than either but I don't see her as much of a gardener. Each of the ladies is attractive in their own way, but it's their gardening we're interested in. I suspect they're all reasonable gardeners but, I agree, it doesn't come across so well with RdeT. I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. Definitely. There was a herb garden idea based on a rocky spiral that I though was actually quite inspired, but the rest were tedious. Oh yes, I love that part of the garden. That was one of St. Geoff's strong points: he showed us many different planting styles and manageable building projects and also much smaller constructions (cold frames, etc.). I was frequently inspired by things he did and, at the end of the programme, I just wanted to rush outside and start gardening. I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. They will be modelling it on the BigBrother, X-Factor or Celebrity Come Dancing next with a phone to decide who goes or stays :( What an horrendous thought! Oh, don't give them ideas like that. That really would make me switch off :~[ Regards, Martin Brown -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 15:13, Pam Moore wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 09:03:47 +0000, wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. From todays Telegraph I'm delighted to have Monty back but I feel very sorry for TB who had ddone a god job. The most recent programmes weresuch a great improvement on what we had from Toby to start with. I was not inspired by Alys, but neither am I inspired by Rachel de T. I hope Toby gets a break with a new job to use his skills. Pam in Bristol I agree heartily, Pam. I think Toby was seriously hindered by the producers. I've seen him present very good gardening programmes before, or even brief slots in another's programme. He has a lovely, easy manner (which I could watch all day) and actually seems ill at ease with the false joshing, although it's clear he has a good sense of humour. He should be allowed to blossom in his own right. It took me a while to appreciate Alys, but I think she's a very able presenter and seems to know her stuff. thus far. Call me strange, but I actually like observing her as a human being. She's charming. (No, I'm not a stalker!) -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 17:20, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Good for him! I dislike chemicals, but occasionally am obliged to be grateful for glyphosate, sulphur and a drop of systemic insecticide when all else fails, as are many gardeners I know, even the ones who like to be green-ish. If some gardeners are still using chemicals, it's important that a good garden presenter tells us what's available and also the most responsible way of using it. Toby did that. It makes the programme more balanced. Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 08/12/2010 18:22, Sacha wrote:
On 2010-12-08 17:20:00 +0000, Jeff Layman said: On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! I hope not. Everything has its place and not everyone either can, or wants to, garden in a one-size fits all fashion. I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In article , Derek
writes Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Thank Goodness, Too bohemian for me, living off salad leaves and flowers I'm not surprised though. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In article , Martin
writes The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. It will be most annoying for poor Toby who i think is actually a good gardener but not allowed to be by the BBC and anyone who has power in the programming set ups. They'll probably change the format a bit which means he wont now be able to show us how good he could be, A bit like poor Christine Walden who is destined to be eccentric on most programmes but given a freehand (which they never are) can't show the public her knowledge and skills in a normal manner. Don't think it was Toby's fault, just the producer and director. -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In message , Spider
writes On 08/12/2010 15:05, Pete wrote: "Spider" wrote in message ... sic I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. -- I assume that the shortening is to a half hour - if so, agreed far too short. Only soaps should be so confined ! Forty-five minutes would be a fair compromise Regards Pete www.thecanalshop.com Agreed! But I'd prefer longer *and* a bit later in the evening so I don't have to drag myself in from the garden (while there's still good light)to see it. In the days of new fangled things like Video tape recorders, as well a SKY +, PVR's, iplayer etc. The idea of having to drag yourself in to watch at a certain time seems rather quaint. I don't we really watch much Tv at it's broadcast time anymore -- Chris French |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 2010-12-09 08:26:55 +0000, Jeff Layman said:
On 08/12/2010 18:22, Sacha wrote: On 2010-12-08 17:20:00 +0000, Jeff Layman said: On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! I hope not. Everything has its place and not everyone either can, or wants to, garden in a one-size fits all fashion. I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. Agreed. The BBC should not provide a platform for anyone's organic mantra -- and if they are chasing viewing figures, they won't: organic gardening is practised by around 10% of all gardeners in this country. Monty Don should be doing nothing to change that. His relative popularity (he never came close to AT or GH in viewing numbers) is nothing to do with his organic mantra. What he has is a firm grip on the proceedings, a good presentational style and an excellent voice. What he lacks is horticultural qualifications -- hopefully he will make fewer howlers next time around than he did in his last stint -- and balance. I wish the amiable, well qualified and perfectly balanced Mr Buckland well. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
In article , Jeff Layman
writes I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. I do so agree! If you were to move into and (god forbid) inherit a plot full of horsetail or ground elder or Japanese knotweed it's not much good trying to be philosophical and trying to 'work with it' or abandon weed killer for ever, Just as dangerous as using a lot I could have said - i mean look what happens when people let Rhododendrons go wild or other stuff, they then become a blinking source of infection to our native plants/ -- Janet Tweedy Dalmatian Telegraph http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Jeff Layman wrote:
I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. The late Geoff Hamilton held the same viewpoint, yet I don't recall anyone accusing him of narrow-mindedness at any time.. For the average size garden you do not need to use chemicals. If you are growing certain crops eg, strawberries, on a sizeable plot of land, well maybe. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Spider wrote:
[...] I believe that the "30min construction" slot was created to give we gardeners a taste of that longed-for "cheap build-it slot" that Geoff Hamilton always did so well and somehow made relevant. It's a shame it misfired. They could bring in the wonderful Rico Daniels, the Salvager from Quest (47 on my Freeview). He's a hoot. He'd make a clever flower container out of truck axles, telegraph poles, and a discarded field gun. But I doubt if he's much of a gardener... I am sorry they're shortening the programme, though. With so many different specialities and diversifications within gardening, a longer programme would make more sense ... or perhaps these specialities could make extra programmes. I won't hold my breath though. I still can't rid myself of the impression that TV people don't like gardening, and don't /really/ believe that anybody else does. I wonder if they should forget the basic channels and send it over to BBC4, where they could do a full-length serious job. -- Mike. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
Martin wrote:
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 21:35:17 -0000, "Mike Lyle" wrote: I still can't rid myself of the impression that TV people don't like gardening, and don't /really/ believe that anybody else does. I wonder if they should forget the basic channels and send it over to BBC4, where they could do a full-length serious job. Believe it or not there are parts of UK that still don't have Freeview. Oh, sorry: not trying to be exclusive! What with that and a digital system that only works properly if it isn't raining*, we could be in for a thinnish time. At my daughter's the TV picture and sound fall to bits when a bus goes past: is that really the future? *Marconi Che? Incompetenza incredibile! For thees I am worka my geniosi digiti agli ossi? Porca Madonna! I Inglesi son totalmente bonkersi! /Marconi [Basta! -Ed.] -- Mike. |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 09/12/2010 20:50, Frank Booth Snr wrote:
Jeff Layman wrote: I do agree. But if you read Don's gardening articles in Saturday's Daily Mail Magazine, his mantra is "Chemicals should not be used". That's it - no argument. And that is why I prefer Buckland to Don; he's a lot more open minded. The late Geoff Hamilton held the same viewpoint, yet I don't recall anyone accusing him of narrow-mindedness at any time.. For the average size garden you do not need to use chemicals. If you are growing certain crops eg, strawberries, on a sizeable plot of land, well maybe. I'm afraid that's idealistic. It doesn't matter whether you have one plant or a million. if you get something nasty which doesn't respond to conservative treatment, then you try something more powerful. And that is especially true if the plant in question is rare, or maybe has sentimental value. Around 4 years ago i spotted Brighamia insignis in a local nursery. It was not cheap, but looked interesting. It grew well, and is now nearly 3 times its original height. But every autumn it appears to get red spider mite, or something like it, as the leaves turn mottled and dried up, and there were webs around them. At first I tried spraying it with water and keeping it in a damp atmosphere inside a plastic bag (it's on an inside windowsill). That didn't help - it continued to slowly lose all its leaves. It started to grow new leaves, and those soon became mottled and dry, too. Unfortunately at the time there were no effective chemicals available to the amateur to treat red spider mite, so I resigned myself to watching the plant slowly die. A couple of weeks later I was browsing through the insecticides in a local garden centre and was amazed to find something called Axoris, containing a chemical "abamectine" effective against red spider mite. Within 2 weeks of spraying the plant with that, new leaves appeared and remained healthy. Now I spray as soon as the mottling appears, and within a short time the plant is healthy again. -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
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On 2010-12-08 17:20:00 +0000, Jeff Layman said: On 08/12/2010 09:03, Derek wrote: Monty Don is returning to the helm of Gardeners' World, almost three years after a stroke forced him to leave the show. The 55-year-old will replace Toby Buckland, who was informed by BBC bosses yesterday that his contract will not be renewed. Buckland was said to be "devastated" by the decision. Alys Fowler, another Gardeners' World regular, is also leaving the programme, the BBC announced. Carol Klein and Joe Swift will return for the new series alongside Rachel de Thame. I guess Toby Buckland wasn't "politically correct" enough. On rare occasions he actually mentioned use of chemicals! Probably made the organic-biased BBC producers apoplectic.... None of that with Monty Don. The C-word will be banished! I hope not. Everything has its place and not everyone either can, or wants to, garden in a one-size fits all fashion. This is one of the many things I cant understand about gardening. Veg in particular. To get rid of black/green/whitefly for example it is common to use liquid soap which is rife with chemicals, good or bad I dont know, but if that does not work what are we to do? Abandon the infected plants, or use something which works but makes you feel uneasy about its use? I suppose it is down to what a person sees fit and is prepared to do to make a successful "natural" or as "organic as possible" veg plot.? Next growing season(spring 2011) I for one will use some chemicals if it means that we can eat veg. without pests and diseases in our plants. Baz |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Baz" wrote To get rid of black/green/whitefly for example it is common to use liquid soap which is rife with chemicals, good or bad I dont know, but if that does not work what are we to do? Abandon the infected plants, or use something which works but makes you feel uneasy about its use? I suppose it is down to what a person sees fit and is prepared to do to make a successful "natural" or as "organic as possible" veg plot.? Next growing season(spring 2011) I for one will use some chemicals if it means that we can eat veg. without pests and diseases in our plants. We had a discussion/argument many year ago here with a knowledgeable and committed organic gardener, who no longer frequents this Ng, and he said if crops get ruined by pests, tough, throw them away and hope it's better next season. I, however will use chemicals if it means the difference between crops and no crops. That said, very little of our produce is sprayed, nothing this season except Bordeaux Mixture on the toms. -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
On 10/12/2010 17:56, Bob Hobden wrote:
"Baz" wrote To get rid of black/green/whitefly for example it is common to use liquid soap which is rife with chemicals, good or bad I dont know, but if that does not work what are we to do? Abandon the infected plants, or use something which works but makes you feel uneasy about its use? I suppose it is down to what a person sees fit and is prepared to do to make a successful "natural" or as "organic as possible" veg plot.? Next growing season(spring 2011) I for one will use some chemicals if it means that we can eat veg. without pests and diseases in our plants. We had a discussion/argument many year ago here with a knowledgeable and committed organic gardener, who no longer frequents this Ng, and he said if crops get ruined by pests, tough, throw them away and hope it's better next season. So did he starve to death, or buy stuff which had been chemically treated from his local supermarket to feed himself? I, however will use chemicals if it means the difference between crops and no crops. That said, very little of our produce is sprayed, nothing this season except Bordeaux Mixture on the toms. Makes sense to me. Although I advocate use of chemicals, I don't drown everything in sight with them. I just wish there were more choices available for amateur use. -- Jeff |
Gardeners' World goes back to its roots with Monty
"Jeff Layman" wrote ... Bob Hobden wrote: "Baz" wrote To get rid of black/green/whitefly for example it is common to use liquid soap which is rife with chemicals, good or bad I dont know, but if that does not work what are we to do? Abandon the infected plants, or use something which works but makes you feel uneasy about its use? I suppose it is down to what a person sees fit and is prepared to do to make a successful "natural" or as "organic as possible" veg plot.? Next growing season(spring 2011) I for one will use some chemicals if it means that we can eat veg. without pests and diseases in our plants. We had a discussion/argument many year ago here with a knowledgeable and committed organic gardener, who no longer frequents this Ng, and he said if crops get ruined by pests, tough, throw them away and hope it's better next season. So did he starve to death, or buy stuff which had been chemically treated from his local supermarket to feed himself? No idea, probably went without. I, however will use chemicals if it means the difference between crops and no crops. That said, very little of our produce is sprayed, nothing this season except Bordeaux Mixture on the toms. Makes sense to me. Although I advocate use of chemicals, I don't drown everything in sight with them. I just wish there were more choices available for amateur use. Now that is another problem, so many pests/diseases are now untreatable for the amateur grower it is becoming a serious problem in itself. Yet the Government say they are encouraging allotments and the growing of food by citizens, the two things simply do not compute. I have a book on pests and disease written in 1997 and most of the remedies in it are now banned for our use despite not being considered dangerous, just a case of too costly to test for amateur use, so no DEFRA number, so can't be sold to the public. If professionals can still use a chemical why not an amateur? -- Regards Bob Hobden W.of London. UK |
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