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Stewart Robert Hinsley 28-01-2011 07:58 PM

evergreen climber
 
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

lannerman 28-01-2011 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart Robert Hinsley (Post 911368)
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Just a thought, the first thing that jumped into my head was Clematis armandii ?? just a thought !!
Lannerman

Jeff Layman[_2_] 28-01-2011 10:27 PM

evergreen climber
 
On 28/01/2011 19:58, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.


According to the RHS Dictionary of Gardening, Lonicera leaves are
opposite, not alternate.

Could it possibly be a Passiflora, which for some reason has yet to
develop its typically lobed leaves?

--

Jeff

Stewart Robert Hinsley 29-01-2011 08:00 AM

evergreen climber
 
In message , Jeff Layman
writes
On 28/01/2011 19:58, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.


According to the RHS Dictionary of Gardening, Lonicera leaves are
opposite, not alternate.


Sorry. Thinko on my part. I meant to write "opposite".

Could it possibly be a Passiflora, which for some reason has yet to
develop its typically lobed leaves?


--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Stewart Robert Hinsley 29-01-2011 08:11 AM

evergreen climber
 
In message , lannerman
writes

Stewart Robert Hinsley;911368 Wrote:
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley


Just a thought, the first thing that jumped into my head was Clematis
armandii ?? just a thought !!
Lannerman

It's a better match than I would have expected for a clematis, but
Clematis armandii has ternate leaves, while this plant had simple,
rather than compound leaves. (And opposite leaves, rather than the
alternative leaves that I mistyped.)
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

kay 29-01-2011 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stewart Robert Hinsley (Post 911368)
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.

You've rejected the obvious L henryi have you?

Jeff Layman[_2_] 29-01-2011 11:57 AM

evergreen climber
 
On 29/01/2011 08:00, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Jeff Layman
writes
On 28/01/2011 19:58, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.


According to the RHS Dictionary of Gardening, Lonicera leaves are
opposite, not alternate.


Sorry. Thinko on my part. I meant to write "opposite".


Heh - a "Thinko" - I like it! Assuming everything else in your OP is
accurate, I had a look through all the Lonicera entries in the RHSDoG.

There are more than a dozen entries for scandent species which are said
to be evergreen or semi-evergreen (I have assume that where not stated,
the plant is deciduous, which is the usual practice in the DoG).
Eliminating any plants of Zone 8 and worse hardiness, the most likely
candidates would be henryi and japonica. I have excluded sempervirens
as the leaves are much rounder than you describe. I would tend to go
for henryi. There are a few other much rarer species which might fit
the bill, but unless there is a botanic garden or lonicera enthusiast
nearby, I can't see it being one of those.

Of course, the above excludes hybrids and cultivars. Best of luck if
you want to include those too...

--

Jeff

Stewart Robert Hinsley 29-01-2011 01:42 PM

evergreen climber
 
In message , Jeff Layman
writes
On 29/01/2011 08:00, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
In message , Jeff Layman
writes
On 28/01/2011 19:58, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
I came across an escape evergreen climber this afternoon.

Plant growing to 3 m or more, foliage alternate, shortly petiolate,
blades ovate-lanceolate (broadest near the base, 5-7 cm long, 1.5-2 cm
wide), shallowly cordate, acuminate.

I think that it may be a Lonicera. Does it ring any bells with anyone.

According to the RHS Dictionary of Gardening, Lonicera leaves are
opposite, not alternate.


Sorry. Thinko on my part. I meant to write "opposite".


Heh - a "Thinko" - I like it! Assuming everything else in your OP is
accurate, I had a look through all the Lonicera entries in the RHSDoG.

There are more than a dozen entries for scandent species which are said
to be evergreen or semi-evergreen (I have assume that where not stated,
the plant is deciduous, which is the usual practice in the DoG).
Eliminating any plants of Zone 8 and worse hardiness, the most likely
candidates would be henryi and japonica. I have excluded sempervirens
as the leaves are much rounder than you describe. I would tend to go
for henryi. There are a few other much rarer species which might fit
the bill, but unless there is a botanic garden or lonicera enthusiast
nearby, I can't see it being one of those.

Of course, the above excludes hybrids and cultivars. Best of luck if
you want to include those too...

Lonicera henryi seems quite plausible. (That would make it 7 species of
Lonicera I've found "in the wild"). Now I have to remember to take a
look in June or July, to be sure that it's not something completely
different.

Thanks.

[If Lonicera japonica is the plant I think it is - with flowers which
are dead ringers for Lonicera periclymenum, but axillary rather than
terminal - it's leaves are too broad, not to mention the tendency for a
degree of lobing - I omitted "unlobed, margin entire" from the
description. I didn't get close enough to tell whether the leaves were
ciliate, as per Hillier.]
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Jeff Layman[_2_] 30-01-2011 01:52 PM

evergreen climber
 
On 29/01/2011 13:42, Stewart Robert Hinsley wrote:
(snip)

[If Lonicera japonica is the plant I think it is - with flowers which
are dead ringers for Lonicera periclymenum, but axillary rather than
terminal - it's leaves are too broad, not to mention the tendency for a
degree of lobing - I omitted "unlobed, margin entire" from the
description. I didn't get close enough to tell whether the leaves were
ciliate, as per Hillier.]


I agree that it is unlikely to be L. japonica.

--

Jeff


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