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moving a clematis flammula now?
I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago
- 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... |
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moving a clematis flammula now?
On 11/02/2011 16:22, bob wrote:
I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I would have thought it was manageable. Personally, I'd wait till the end of March/into April when regrowth is assured. Obviously, you'll have to work carefully around the other roots, but I'd be surprised if you don't get the majority of the Clematis roots out. It will need lots of TLC in its first year but, if you can bring on a Clematis with no roots, I think you're bound to succeed with merely disturbed roots! Good luck. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:29:03 +0000, Spider wrote:
On 11/02/2011 16:22, bob wrote: I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I would have thought it was manageable. Personally, I'd wait till the end of March/into April when regrowth is assured. Obviously, you'll have to work carefully around the other roots, but I'd be surprised if you don't get the majority of the Clematis roots out. It will need lots of TLC in its first year but, if you can bring on a Clematis with no roots, I think you're bound to succeed with merely disturbed roots! Good luck. Many thanks for replying. In fact this was one of the healthy plants sold with good roots that replaced a rootless one which expired. I take your point about waiting till early spring, I wasn't sure if dormancy or growing activity would be the most opportune. Another question occurs to me. The plant was sold in a 3-litre pot and I wondered how much larger the root system would be now after a years growth (in fact planted in July, I think, so not even a full year). Maybe not an easily answerable question but a clue on this would give me some idea of the size of the bowl of earth I need to dig out and the likelihood of disturbing neighbours. |
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On 12/02/2011 08:48, bob wrote:
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:29:03 +0000, wrote: On 11/02/2011 16:22, bob wrote: I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I would have thought it was manageable. Personally, I'd wait till the end of March/into April when regrowth is assured. Obviously, you'll have to work carefully around the other roots, but I'd be surprised if you don't get the majority of the Clematis roots out. It will need lots of TLC in its first year but, if you can bring on a Clematis with no roots, I think you're bound to succeed with merely disturbed roots! Good luck. Many thanks for replying. In fact this was one of the healthy plants sold with good roots that replaced a rootless one which expired. I take your point about waiting till early spring, I wasn't sure if dormancy or growing activity would be the most opportune. Another question occurs to me. The plant was sold in a 3-litre pot and I wondered how much larger the root system would be now after a years growth (in fact planted in July, I think, so not even a full year). Maybe not an easily answerable question but a clue on this would give me some idea of the size of the bowl of earth I need to dig out and the likelihood of disturbing neighbours. I doubt with all the competition it's got that it will have raced away. I think you'll find it's relatively easy. Start by loosening the soil with a fork, then explore with a trowel. You should soon see how deep and wide the rootball is and then you may feel it's safe to give it a bit more welly. If it's good enough to move, it's good enough to take some time over. If you want to prepare the new planting hole, then dig a hole twice as wide and deep as the original pot .. maybe a little bigger all round if you're on heavy clay, so the roots don't sit in a cold, claggy sump. Some bonemeal will help to get the roots off to a good start in the new hole. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:35:26 +0000, Spider wrote:
On 12/02/2011 08:48, bob wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:29:03 +0000, wrote: On 11/02/2011 16:22, bob wrote: I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I would have thought it was manageable. Personally, I'd wait till the end of March/into April when regrowth is assured. Obviously, you'll have to work carefully around the other roots, but I'd be surprised if you don't get the majority of the Clematis roots out. It will need lots of TLC in its first year but, if you can bring on a Clematis with no roots, I think you're bound to succeed with merely disturbed roots! Good luck. Many thanks for replying. In fact this was one of the healthy plants sold with good roots that replaced a rootless one which expired. I take your point about waiting till early spring, I wasn't sure if dormancy or growing activity would be the most opportune. Another question occurs to me. The plant was sold in a 3-litre pot and I wondered how much larger the root system would be now after a years growth (in fact planted in July, I think, so not even a full year). Maybe not an easily answerable question but a clue on this would give me some idea of the size of the bowl of earth I need to dig out and the likelihood of disturbing neighbours. I doubt with all the competition it's got that it will have raced away. I think you'll find it's relatively easy. Start by loosening the soil with a fork, then explore with a trowel. You should soon see how deep and wide the rootball is and then you may feel it's safe to give it a bit more welly. If it's good enough to move, it's good enough to take some time over. If you want to prepare the new planting hole, then dig a hole twice as wide and deep as the original pot .. maybe a little bigger all round if you're on heavy clay, so the roots don't sit in a cold, claggy sump. Some bonemeal will help to get the roots off to a good start in the new hole. - after reading Charlie's post I'm more likely now to exercise caution and leave well alone - apart from the layering experiment which is at least risk-free. But for the moment, I've done nothing and might just act on impulse, in which case I'll be mindful of your advice. - many thanks for the additional post. |
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moving a clematis flammula now?
"bob" wrote in message ... I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I have always found they don't like to be mucked about with and even hard pruning can see them off so I always waited for new shoots before touching mine, if you must do it now is the best time, if you can wait use this growth to layer down into a pot and move the new plant -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
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moving a clematis flammula now?
On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 08:30:58 -0000, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote: "bob" wrote in message ... I posted here about some C.flammulas I'd bought a couple of years ago - 3 plants without roots!!. One of them did in fact survive and is going strong right now. The two that died soon after planting were replaced with a couple of decent examples purchased last year and both are healthy with new growth showing. I'd quite like to move one of these to another spot in the garden but wondered - mindful of the fact that it's current location is close to a concrete wall and surrounded quite closely by other plants with roots which are probably intertwining - if this is a high risk manoeuvre at this time of the year? On the assumption that I'm unable to dig a large enough bowl to include the entire root intact, would this rate as high risk for the plant's survival? Thanks if anyone can offer a risk appraisal... I have always found they don't like to be mucked about with and even hard pruning can see them off so I always waited for new shoots before touching mine, if you must do it now is the best time, if you can wait use this growth to layer down into a pot and move the new plant - on reflection, I'm not feeling lucky so I think I'll wait and try your layer suggestion - thanks for that. |
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