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I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned
it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire |
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In message , Moonraker
writes I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. They are correct, it was banned from sale as a weedkiller from September 2009 However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. There are other uses for it. We buy all sorts of chemicals mail order you can't easily get on the high street. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? Dunno, but I never really liked it's use as a weedkiller. There are alterative 'long term' weed killers such as Bayer Long Lasting Ground Clear http://www.bayergarden.co.uk/product...d=151&category id=12 -- Chris French |
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On 26/04/2011 16:28, Moonraker wrote:
I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? It is heavy stuff, so postage would be high. I used to use it quite a lot as a weed killer on the drive (as well as making my own fireworks :-) ) but found bulk generic (unbranded) glyphosate to be much more cost effective and you can use it to clear weeds from a weed infested area intended as a future garden bed without fear of it leaving the soil poisoned for any length of time after application. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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On Apr 26, 3:28*pm, Moonraker wrote:
I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. |
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"harry" wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, Moonraker wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. .................................................. ............................ Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Mike -- .................................... It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. .................................... |
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On 26/04/2011 19:46, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. .................................................. ........................... Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Mike That is no longer true, it can no longer be used for that as it is treated with a fire retardant. -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire |
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On 26/04/2011 21:00, Moonraker wrote:
On 26/04/2011 19:46, 'Mike' wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. .................................................. ........................... Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Mike That is no longer true, it can no longer be used for that as it is treated with a fire retardant. The fire retardant just means your dead and dry weeds don't go with so much of a WHOOSH if you try to burn them later. All I'll say is that I've made fireworks with the stuff in the past. My interests were only pyrotechnic not malicious, but trust me when I say that despite the fire retardant you can still use it to make very powerful explosives - no problem. -- David in Normandy. To e-mail you must include the password FROG on the subject line, or it will be automatically deleted by a filter and not reach my inbox. |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, Moonraker wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. The IRA surely? -- Martin |
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On Apr 26, 8:00*pm, Moonraker wrote:
On 26/04/2011 19:46, 'Mike' wrote: *wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, *wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. *So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. .................................................. ..........................*.. Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Mike That is no longer true, it can no longer be used for that as it is treated with a fire retardant. -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The fire retardant can be quite easily removed by a schoolboy chemist. The reason you canbuy it on the internets that a trace on the buyer is established. In B&Q anyone could walk in and pay cash. |
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Martin Brown wrote: On 26/04/2011 19:46, 'Mike' wrote: wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Not true. Their preferred explosive mixture is ANFO for which the ingredients are still widely available in bulk agricultural quantities. No, it was the IRA - I remember when the process started - but the real blame lies in Whitehall. Their SOP is to ban things that are easy to ban, irrespective of whether they are a significant threat, just as that was the SOP with airport 'security' and, to a great extent, still is. The same applies to true Elfin Safety. There was a VERY nasty problem with benomyl and fertile women in commercial glasshouses, so the solution was to ban it for domestic use and make no change to its regulations for commercial use. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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On 26/04/2011 19:46, 'Mike' wrote:
wrote in message ... On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. .................................................. ........................... Not sure. Stand to be corrected, but I think you will find it is the Irish you need to thank Not true. Their preferred explosive mixture is ANFO for which the ingredients are still widely available in bulk agricultural quantities. Chlorate compositions are more for amateur coloured fire pyrotechnics and decidedly tetchy if you don't really understand what you are doing. Potassium chlorate is preferred for pyrotechnics compositions. If anyone is to blame for the EEC wide ban on chlorate weedkillers it is actually the French rapporteur as described in the following missive: http://www.pesticides.gov.uk/uploade...008_865_EC.pdf I doubt that chlorate is really all *that* bad in the environment. Though the tendency of stuff doused in it to conflagration is a bad side effect. Rich tea biscuits go particularly well (and also with LOX). Regards, Martin Brown |
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"Martin" wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT), harry wrote: On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, Moonraker wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. The IRA surely? A very long time ago a cousin of mine was interested in chemistry and taught me how to make explosives using Sodium Chlorate, it was a very interesting experiment, and another using red top matches! Alan -- Martin |
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On 28/04/2011 13:01, alan.holmes wrote:
wrote in message ... On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:33:02 -0700 (PDT), wrote: On Apr 26, 3:28 pm, wrote: I am unable to buy this at garden centres as elf and safety have banned it, or so they say. However I can buy it off the net, doesn't make sense. Is there a good source of it, I find that the postage cost on the net are rather high? -- Residing on low ground in North Staffordshire It is banned as it can be used to make explosives. So you can thank our Pakistanis friends for that. The IRA surely? A very long time ago a cousin of mine was interested in chemistry and taught me how to make explosives using Sodium Chlorate, it was a very interesting experiment, and another using red top matches! The most common beginners explosive mixture using chlorate is very tetchy and generally associated with the loss of fingers and/or limbs. You were lucky to escape intact. Modern fireworks factories are obliged to keep fabrication of chlorate compositions entirely separate from gunpowder based ones to avoid such disastrous spontaneous detonations during manufacture. Even a century ago major disasters at fireworks factories were frequently attributed to bad handling of bulk chlorates and owners prosecuted accordingly eg. http://www3.gendisasters.com/new-jer...osion-may-1904 There was a bad one a few years back with similar root cause. Regards, Martin Brown |
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