Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? Thank you for your time.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 10, 5:18*pm, Spider wrote:
A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. *I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. *Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? *Thank you for your time.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

There is no cure for viruses (virii?) in plants (or humans), except
dig up and burn. That's why people die of AIDS and influenza.

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:18:41 +0000, Spider wrote:

A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? Thank you for your time.

It may be an old wives tale but the "recipe" I've seen is 300
milligrams of soluble aspirin, 2 gallons of water and 2 tablespoons of
mild liquid soap, the latter to help the mixture stay on the leaves.
Spray every 3 weeks.

The main ingredient of aspirin - salicylic acid - was identified in a
Cambridge University study as something in plants' health arsenal.
Deets at
http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-27302.html

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay.

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 10, 5:41*pm, harry wrote:
On Jan 10, 5:18*pm, Spider wrote:





A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. *I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. *Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? *Thank you for your time.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

There is no cure for viruses *(virii?) in plants (or humans), except
dig up and burn. *That's why people die of AIDS and influenza.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What you are thinking about is a bit I posted about a customer of mine
who used soluable asprin to dose young plants that were showing signs
of virus.
I was going to try it last year but with things as they were I never
got round to it.
Soluable asprins are cheap,
Salicylic acid is a growth stimulant.
So who knows, it may work, and it.s not going to break the bank
experimenting.
David@ the wet end of Swansea bay

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On 10/01/2012 18:10, Dave Hill wrote:
On Jan 10, 5:41 pm, wrote:
On Jan 10, 5:18 pm, wrote:





A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? Thank you for your time.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

There is no cure for viruses (virii?) in plants (or humans), except
dig up and burn. That's why people die of AIDS and influenza.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

What you are thinking about is a bit I posted about a customer of mine
who used soluable asprin to dose young plants that were showing signs
of virus.
I was going to try it last year but with things as they were I never
got round to it.
Soluable asprins are cheap,
Salicylic acid is a growth stimulant.
So who knows, it may work, and it.s not going to break the bank
experimenting.
David@ the wet end of Swansea bay


Many thanks, David. I knew I hadn't imagine it! Will give it a go when
growth starts in earnest. I'll report back.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On 10/01/2012 18:07, Jake wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:18:41 +0000, wrote:

A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially
*very* attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads
(due to virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from
propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice? Thank you for your time.

It may be an old wives tale but the "recipe" I've seen is 300
milligrams of soluble aspirin, 2 gallons of water and 2 tablespoons of
mild liquid soap, the latter to help the mixture stay on the leaves.
Spray every 3 weeks.

The main ingredient of aspirin - salicylic acid - was identified in a
Cambridge University study as something in plants' health arsenal.
Deets at
http://www.innovations-report.com/ht...ort-27302.html

Cheers, Jake
=======================================
Urgling happily from the dryer end of Swansea Bay.


Thanks, Jake, I've noted that and will have a go. That link is very
interesting. I think I'll print it off for future reference. My memory
is hopeless these days. If it isn't written down, it's gone :~(.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

"Spider" wrote in message
...
A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 10, 9:50*pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message

...





A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. *I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. *Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them..

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Never heard of hot water treatment for virus, always thought it was
for root eelworm, Interesting!
I wonder how a combination of hot water and asprin would work?
David

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

"Dave Hill" wrote in message
...
On Jan 10, 9:50 pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:
"Spider" wrote in message

...





A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler
was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you
need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Never heard of hot water treatment for virus, always thought it was
for root eelworm, Interesting!
I wonder how a combination of hot water and asprin would work?

David, I did a lot of research on this many years ago and had some articles
published in 'Amateur Gardener' and the National Chrysanthemum Society
yearbook. It was uncertain at the time whether the viruses were just
inactivated or killed. The temperature quoted for killing eelworm was in the
region of 117F., but plant tissue will survive up to a temperature of 136F.
above which cell proteins start to coagulate leading to tissue death. When a
tempertaure of 130F. was used, the resultant chrysanthemum cuttings were
found to be free of virus. The same occured with dahlias. Hot water
treatment of celery seed is standard practise to eliminate virus which can
(unusually) be transmitted through the seed.

HTH

Phil

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 11, 1:39*pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:
"Dave Hill" wrote in message

...
On Jan 10, 9:50 pm, "Phil Gurr" wrote:





"Spider" wrote in message

...

A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler
was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you
need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Never heard of hot water treatment for virus, always thought it was
for root eelworm, Interesting!
I wonder how a combination of hot water and asprin would work?

David, I did a lot of research on this many years ago and had some articles
published in 'Amateur Gardener' and the National Chrysanthemum Society
yearbook. It was uncertain at the time whether the viruses were just
inactivated or killed. The temperature quoted for killing eelworm was in the
region of 117F., but plant tissue will survive up to a temperature of 136F.
above which cell proteins start to coagulate leading to tissue death. When a
tempertaure of 130F. was used, the resultant chrysanthemum cuttings were
found to be free of virus. The same occured with dahlias. Hot water
treatment of celery seed is standard practise to eliminate virus which can
(unusually) be transmitted through the seed.

HTH

Phil- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interesting.
The problem is that you tend to remove dahlias with virus wnen they
are growing so as to stop virus spreading, and with around 3000 tubers
it's to many to treat as a routine.
That's why asprin is interesting as you can treat the growing plant.
Have to give it some thought
David

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On 10/01/2012 21:50, Phil Gurr wrote:
wrote in message
...
A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil



Thanks for that, Phil. I must admit the idea of scalding my precious
bulbs is worrying, but I am taking notes. I will try the aspirin
solution first, in the knowledge that I can try scalding if it doesn't
work. Should I just scald the entire bulb as it grows in its pot, or
remove all the soil from it and then plunge it? I suspect there are
roots now, since it's in growth already; will these survive scalding, or
should I wait till the bulbs are dormant and rootless and try then. Any
ideas? I ask this because I understand that bulbs will not replace
their roots when damaged, as other plants do.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 11, 4:33*pm, Spider wrote:
On 10/01/2012 21:50, Phil Gurr wrote:





*wrote in message
...
A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. *I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. *Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil

Thanks for that, Phil. *I must admit the idea of scalding my precious
bulbs is worrying, but I am taking notes. *I will try the aspirin
solution first, in the knowledge that I can try scalding if it doesn't
work. *Should I just scald the entire bulb as it grows in its pot, or
remove all the soil from it and then plunge it? *I suspect there are
roots now, since it's in growth already; will these survive scalding, or
should I wait till the bulbs are dormant and rootless and try then. *Any
ideas? *I ask this because I understand that bulbs will not replace
their roots when damaged, as other plants do.

--
Spider
from high ground in SE London
gardening on clay- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

130f is not scalding, its just over 10c above what would be calledas
hand hot, you probably use it a lot warmer when you hand wash dishes.
David

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

"Spider" wrote in message
...
On 10/01/2012 21:50, Phil Gurr wrote:
wrote in message
...
A few years ago, someone helpfully posted a recipe which used aspirin to
help cure virussed plants. I'm sure I marked it as interesting, but now
cannot find it.

I have a patch of isolated Leucojum bulbs in the garden which are
displaying virus-like symptoms. When in flower, the green marking on
each
petal is elongated into a central stripe, which is potentially *very*
attractive. Sadly, there is some distortion in the flowerheads (due to
virus?) which spoils their beauty and prevents me from propagating them.

I'm really interested in curing the virus and growing these bulbs on to
find out if the attractive striping i)persists without the virus, and
ii)if that striping is generally stable over a few generations without
reverting to the virussed distorted from, which certainly isn't
attractive.

Does anyone remember the aspirin recipe or, indeed, have any other
advice?
Thank you for your time.

Standard treatment to remove virus from chrysanth stools is hot water.
Stools are immersed in water at around 126F. for five minutes and then
plunged into cold water, prior to boxing up. The old 'Burco' type boiler
was
ideal for this. I have also experimented with Dahlia tubers and found
that
they require ten minutes for the treatment to be effective. Leucojum
bulbs
should respond well to this treatment, a large saucepan is all that you
need
but take care that the water does not rise above 130F.

Phil



Thanks for that, Phil. I must admit the idea of scalding my precious
bulbs is worrying, but I am taking notes. I will try the aspirin solution
first, in the knowledge that I can try scalding if it doesn't work.
Should I just scald the entire bulb as it grows in its pot, or remove all
the soil from it and then plunge it? I suspect there are roots now, since
it's in growth already; will these survive scalding, or should I wait till
the bulbs are dormant and rootless and try then. Any ideas? I ask this
because I understand that bulbs will not replace their roots when damaged,
as other plants do.

It can only be done with dormant bulbs and tubers.

Phil

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

In article , Phil
Gurr writes
I wonder how a combination of hot water and asprin would work?

Sounds a bit like lemsip :)
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraph
http://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Need receipe for virussed plants, please
 

On Jan 12, 3:06*am, Janet Tweedy wrote:
In article , Phil
Gurr writes

I wonder how a combination of hot water and asprin would work?

Sounds a bit like lemsip :)
--
Janet Tweedy
Dalmatian Telegraphhttp://www.lancedal.demon.co.uk

Except that's paracetamol, and won't take the headache out of growing
plants