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I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door,
I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug That's a fascinating question Doug. Is it AC or DC? If AC I would/could say yes because of the frequency but if it is DC ....................? Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug More likely they have already learnt the hard way! Our ponds are regular watering holes for all the local cats as well as assorted wildlife, seems a shame to have to cut off access just because of one badly controlled dog -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 7:52*am, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug That's a fascinating question Doug. Is it AC or DC? If AC I would/could say yes because of the frequency but if it is DC ....................? Mike -- ................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight.. ................................... If he's used a commercial one intended for cattle, it works like a car ignition coil. ie DC. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 7:17*am, Doug wrote:
Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug I think people have to conrol their dogs by law, unlike cats. There is a strong electric field around high voltage. They might well be able to sense it prior to contact. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote ...
Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Two things, cats have very sensitive whiskers so might well be able to sense the magnetic field around a wire. Dogs are an animal that the law says is controllable, unlike cats, so it is your neighbours problem, or should be, as they should be controlling their animal. If you were a farmer you could legally shoot it if it worried your livestock. I remember a farmer relative doing that to one that constantly chased his sheep and the "townie" owner who had ignored warnings tried creating a stink without any success. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 01:17:00 -0800 (PST), harry wrote:
If he's used a commercial one intended for cattle, it works like a car ignition coil. ie DC. Commercial electric fences are pulses of high voltage (2 to 3kV) at 1 to 1.5 second intervals. There isn't much energy required about 0.5 joules for short fences (note this is short in farming terms 10km...). You can often hear an electric fence ticking with each pulse, particulary if it is damp or has vegitation touching it. Cats have pretty good hearing they may well be detecting the sound rather than the electric pulse. -- Cheers Dave. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
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, harry writes I think people have to conrol their dogs by law, unlike cats. Yes, dogs are "controllable" ani8mals, cats are not as has been mentioned many many times. You have a number of escalating remedies starting with talking to the owners, getting the council's dog warden involved, claiming for any damage off their household insurance, ultimately if you can show it is dangerously out of control then Dangerous Dogs Act applies. But if you want to be really really nasty you could always report them to the RSPCA. -- hugh |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 3:06*pm, hugh ] wrote:
In message , harry writesI think people have to conrol their dogs by law, unlike cats. Yes, dogs are "controllable" ani8mals, cats are not as has been mentioned many many times. You have a *number of escalating remedies starting with talking to the owners, getting the council's dog warden involved, claiming for any damage off their household insurance, ultimately if you can show it is dangerously out of control then Dangerous Dogs Act applies. But if you want to be really really nasty you could always report them to the RSPCA. -- hugh Or You could put the electric fence above your other fence so that when the dog tries to get over it will come into contact with your electric fence, it should soon learn No Climbing. David @ The wet end of Swansea bay |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 3:06*pm, hugh ] wrote:
In message , harry writesI think people have to conrol their dogs by law, unlike cats. Yes, dogs are "controllable" ani8mals, cats are not as has been mentioned many many times. You have a *number of escalating remedies starting with talking to the owners, getting the council's dog warden involved, claiming for any damage off their household insurance, ultimately if you can show it is dangerously out of control then Dangerous Dogs Act applies. But if you want to be really really nasty you could always report them to the RSPCA. I am more concerned about the several foxes than the one dog and I am on good terms with the neighbour. Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 7:52*am, "'Mike'" wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug That's a fascinating question Doug. Is it AC or DC? If AC I would/could say yes because of the frequency but if it is DC ....................? Mike Its a pulse so its more like AC. I have an EM detector and it can pick it up about half a metre away. Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 20, 8:59*am, "Charlie Pridham"
wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug More likely they have already learnt the hard way! Our ponds are regular watering holes for all the local cats as well as assorted wildlife, seems a shame to have to cut off access just because of one badly controlled dog I have another small pond without fishes where they can still drink. Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 21, 4:26*pm, Doug wrote:
On Jan 20, 3:06*pm, hugh ] wrote: In message , harry writesI think people have to conrol their dogs by law, unlike cats. Yes, dogs are "controllable" ani8mals, cats are not as has been mentioned many many times. You have a *number of escalating remedies starting with talking to the owners, getting the council's dog warden involved, claiming for any damage off their household insurance, ultimately if you can show it is dangerously out of control then Dangerous Dogs Act applies. But if you want to be really really nasty you could always report them to the RSPCA. I am more concerned about the several foxes than the one dog and I am on good terms with the neighbour. Doug. Well to keep rabbits and foxes off my dahlias I have had to resort to electric rabbit netting, 150 meters of the stuff, but it works. David @ the wet end of Swansea Bay |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! Bill Having read posts from Sacha and others regarding her webbing type electric fence, I wonder what the operating voltage etc these work at, are they in common use by gardeners and of an approved type. Perhaps Doug could describe the frnce he intends using. I could have done with such a fence when my two Labs were alive. Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 22, 10:27*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote:
"Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Doug" wrote in message .... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! Bill Having read posts from Sacha and others regarding her webbing type electric fence, I wonder what the operating voltage etc these work at, are they in common use by gardeners and of an approved *type. Perhaps Doug could describe the frnce he intends using. I *could have done with such a fence when my two Labs were alive. My fence uses several strands of string with wires in it on plastic poles. I am wondering how they keep electric netting from making contact with the ground? Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote in message ... On Jan 22, 10:27 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! Bill Having read posts from Sacha and others regarding her webbing type electric fence, I wonder what the operating voltage etc these work at, are they in common use by gardeners and of an approved type. Perhaps Doug could describe the frnce he intends using. I could have done with such a fence when my two Labs were alive. My fence uses several strands of string with wires in it on plastic poles. I am wondering how they keep electric netting from making contact with the ground? Doug. Roll the bottom 12 inches up on itself, (or move the netting up 12 inches) and replace that gap with a plastic netting Mike -- .................................... I'm an Angel, honest ! The horns are there just to keep the halo straight. .................................... |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
My fence uses several strands of string with wires in it on plastic
poles. I am wondering how they keep electric netting from making contact with the ground? Doug.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With the electric netting the bottom strand does not caryt any electric, so you have a couple of inches before you start with currant, so keep the grass cut short below the fence. You slope the fence outwards so that contact is made with the fence before anything starts digging at the base of the fence. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-01-22 22:27:10 +0000, "Bill Grey" said: "Bill Grey" wrote in message ... "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! Bill Having read posts from Sacha and others regarding her webbing type electric fence, I wonder what the operating voltage etc these work at, are they in common use by gardeners and of an approved type. Perhaps Doug could describe the frnce he intends using. I could have done with such a fence when my two Labs were alive. Bill We're running ours off a 12v tractor battery. If I get a bit of time tomorrow, I'll try to take a pic but it's really a tall rabbit fence. But I must stress that at night, the hens are shut up within the run that is attached to the coop. -- Sacha Thanks Sacha, this is new to me. Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Doug" wrote in message ... On Jan 22, 8:58 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. You must suggest to your neighbour to watch "The Dog Whisperer" - Cesar Milan. He would be able to stop the dog trespassing. As is so often the case, it's the owner at fault not the dog. Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
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, Doug writes On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. Suggest he puts up netting on aluminium poles on top of the fence. Ideally bend them back to overhang his garden - this is the system we use to keep our cat IN. -- hugh |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-01-23 17:28:20 +0000, "Bill Grey" said: "Doug" wrote in message ... On Jan 22, 8:58 pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message ... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an "electric fence" to keep out a neighbour's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used in conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. You must suggest to your neighbour to watch "The Dog Whisperer" - Cesar Milan. He would be able to stop the dog trespassing. As is so often the case, it's the owner at fault not the dog. Bill The owner needs a very high powered water pistol or hose. Every time the dog tries to climb the fence (before it's electrified!!) owner gives him a shot of cold water and sends him to his basket immediately. -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon I take it you haven't seen the "Dog Whisperer" either...:-) His understanding of a dog's way of thinking is remarkable. Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
"Sacha" wrote in message ... On 2012-01-23 17:24:13 +0000, "Bill Grey" said: "Sacha" wrote in message ... snip We're running ours off a 12v tractor battery. If I get a bit of time tomorrow, I'll try to take a pic but it's really a tall rabbit fence. But I must stress that at night, the hens are shut up within the run that is attached to the coop. -- Sacha Thanks Sacha, this is new to me. Bill Ray took this photo today, Bill. He says he hopes it's clear enough. This fencing came from Edwin Tucker in Ashburton. http://www.flickr.com/photos/hillhou...in/photostream -- Sacha www.hillhousenursery.com South Devon Yes the photo shows the scale of things. I didn't expect it to be as large as it is. I had the idea it would have been about 18" high with a much smaller mesh. Thanks again. Bill |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 23, 9:44*am, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-01-23 08:05:29 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message .... Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door, I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighbour 's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to say about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are used i n conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbour wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. They're at their worst when they have cubs to feed. *Ime, when a dog has once touched an electric fence, it steers well clear always. Each of ours did it precisely once and refused to even approach the area after that. *And our own dog seems to know that the chickens are off limits, even when they're running around outside their enclosure. *They enjoy nothing more than scratching around the compost heap or laying eggs in a bamboo thicket! -- Don't the chickens get shocks? An urban fox came into my garden during the day at 1.30pm recently. It climbed over my neighbour's high fence on the left, ran down the alley to the front of my house, quickly returned and seemed to stop and taunt the dogs in the garden on the right. It then went to the end of my garden and performed an amazing feat of jumping and climbing onto a high shed roof before disappearing. I am beginning to wonder if even an electric fence can keep them out. Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
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I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 28, 12:35*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-01-28 11:19:33 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 23, 9:44*am, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-23 08:05:29 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door , I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighb our 's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK.. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to sa y about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are use d i n conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbou r wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience.. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. They're at their worst when they have cubs to feed. *Ime, when a dog has once touched an electric fence, it steers well clear always. Each of ours did it precisely once and refused to even approach the area after that. *And our own dog seems to know that the chickens are off limits, even when they're running around outside their enclosure. *They enjoy nothing more than scratching around the compost heap or laying eggs in a bamboo thicket! -- Don't the chickens get shocks? They don't seem to but they do keeep clear of the fence, so either they've had a tiny one once, or they're simply not interested in it. An urban fox came into my garden during the day at 1.30pm recently. It climbed over my neighbour's high fence on the left, ran down the alley to the front of my house, quickly returned and seemed to stop and taunt the dogs in the garden on the right. It then went to the end of my garden and performed an amazing feat of jumping and climbing onto a high shed roof before disappearing. I am beginning to wonder if even an electric fence can keep them out. Doug. Not if there's something nearby to use as an aerial platform! There is the fence but then it would probably land in the pond! The dog came over again last night at about 6pm. He appeared to sniff at the fence wire and touch it gently but didn't jump back. Maybe he got a tiny shock through his fur? Doug. |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
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, Doug writes On Jan 28, 12:35*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-28 11:19:33 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 23, 9:44*am, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-23 08:05:29 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" wrote: "Doug" wrote in message . .. Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog next door , I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a neighb our 's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to sa y about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are use d i n conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbou r wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it appears they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. They're at their worst when they have cubs to feed. *Ime, when a dog has once touched an electric fence, it steers well clear always. Each of ours did it precisely once and refused to even approach the area after that. *And our own dog seems to know that the chickens are off limits, even when they're running around outside their enclosure. *They enjoy nothing more than scratching around the compost heap or laying eggs in a bamboo thicket! -- Don't the chickens get shocks? They don't seem to but they do keeep clear of the fence, so either they've had a tiny one once, or they're simply not interested in it. An urban fox came into my garden during the day at 1.30pm recently. It climbed over my neighbour's high fence on the left, ran down the alley to the front of my house, quickly returned and seemed to stop and taunt the dogs in the garden on the right. It then went to the end of my garden and performed an amazing feat of jumping and climbing onto a high shed roof before disappearing. I am beginning to wonder if even an electric fence can keep them out. Doug. Not if there's something nearby to use as an aerial platform! There is the fence but then it would probably land in the pond! The dog came over again last night at about 6pm. He appeared to sniff at the fence wire and touch it gently but didn't jump back. Maybe he got a tiny shock through his fur? Doug. That's a problem with general purpose electric fences - you have no idea how much pain you are inflicting on any particular species. -- hugh |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
In message , Sacha
writes On 2012-01-29 23:31:26 +0000, hugh ] said: In message , Doug writes On Jan 28, 12:35*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-28 11:19:33 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 23, 9:44*am, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-23 08:05:29 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" "Doug" wrote in message . .. Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog , I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a our 's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to sa y about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are use d i n conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbou r wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. They're at their worst when they have cubs to feed. *Ime, when a dog has once touched an electric fence, it steers well clear always. Each of ours did it precisely once and refused to even approach the area after that. *And our own dog seems to know that the chickens are off limits, even when they're running around outside their enclosure. *They enjoy nothing more than scratching around the compost heap or laying eggs in a bamboo thicket! -- Don't the chickens get shocks? They don't seem to but they do keeep clear of the fence, so either they've had a tiny one once, or they're simply not interested in it. An urban fox came into my garden during the day at 1.30pm recently. It climbed over my neighbour's high fence on the left, ran down the alley to the front of my house, quickly returned and seemed to stop and taunt the dogs in the garden on the right. It then went to the end of my garden and performed an amazing feat of jumping and climbing onto a high shed roof before disappearing. I am beginning to wonder if even an electric fence can keep them out. Doug. Not if there's something nearby to use as an aerial platform! There is the fence but then it would probably land in the pond! The dog came over again last night at about 6pm. He appeared to sniff at the fence wire and touch it gently but didn't jump back. Maybe he got a tiny shock through his fur? Doug. That's a problem with general purpose electric fences - you have no idea how much pain you are inflicting on any particular species. Ours was tested by humans. But how does that correlate to the nervous system of a chicken for example or a dog. -- hugh |
I am now using an electric fence around my garden pond.
On Jan 30, 9:34*pm, Sacha wrote:
On 2012-01-30 19:27:29 +0000, hugh ] said: In message , Sacha writes On 2012-01-29 23:31:26 +0000, hugh ] said: In message , Doug writes On Jan 28, 12:35*pm, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-28 11:19:33 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 23, 9:44*am, Sacha wrote: On 2012-01-23 08:05:29 +0000, Doug said: On Jan 22, 8:58*pm, "Bill Grey" "Doug" wrote in message . .. Following several attacks by foxes and invasions by the dog , I have erected an electric fence around my pond. Visits from foxes seemed to have ceased with the onset of winter. I don't know what urban foxes do in the winter but the dog from next door is still a nuisance and seems able to scrabble over even a very high fence. I don't know yet if the fence will be effective but cats approach the fence and seem able to sense the electrification. Anyone know if this is so, can animals sense it? Doug Be careful, because, using an *"electric fence" to keep out a our 's dog, or any other dog for that matter, may well be illegal in the UK. We are not allowed to use "Electric Shock" training collars in Wales, as these are deemed cruel and are illegal- the RSPCA have something to sa y about this. Electric, or electronic fences (usually installed underground) are use d i n conjnction with a receiver on the dog collar. *I assume you reighbou r wouldn't agree to his dog wearing such a collar for your convenience. The right approach would be to get your neighbour to train his dog properly - I suspect this would not be easily achieved! My neighbour says if the dog gets a shock it will serve him right. He is as fed up about the dog getting over into my garden as I am and he has raised the fence with boards but the dog can still climb over. At least he won't damage my pond now. Apparently his children won't let him get rid of the dog, much as he would like to. BTW, my CCTV showed a fox getting a shock last night so it they cannot sense the electricity from a distance. There were three foxes last night so they are back again in force (groan!). Presumably they will become even more active as Spring approaches? Doug. They're at their worst when they have cubs to feed. *Ime, when a dog has once touched an electric fence, it steers well clear always. Each of ours did it precisely once and refused to even approach the area after that. *And our own dog seems to know that the chickens are off limits, even when they're running around outside their enclosure.. *They enjoy nothing more than scratching around the compost heap or laying eggs in a bamboo thicket! -- Don't the chickens get shocks? *They don't seem to but they do keeep clear of the fence, so either they've had a tiny one once, or they're simply not interested in it.. An urban fox came into my garden during the day at 1.30pm recently. It climbed over my neighbour's high fence on the left, ran down the alley to the front of my house, quickly returned and seemed to stop and taunt the dogs in the garden on the right. It then went to the end of my garden and performed an amazing feat of jumping and climbing onto a high shed roof before disappearing. I am beginning to wonder if even an electric fence can keep them out. Doug. *Not if there's something nearby to use as an aerial platform! There is the fence but then it would probably land in the pond! *The dog came over again last night at about 6pm. He appeared to sniff at the fence wire and touch it gently but didn't jump back. Maybe he got a tiny shock through his fur? *Doug. That's a problem with general purpose electric fences - you have no idea how much pain you are inflicting on any particular species. Ours was tested by humans. But how does that correlate to the nervous system of a chicken for example or a dog. None of them has died, (including the humans) none of them has shown signs of being more than usually doolally and all are still allive but respectful. *I'd call that a result in that the foxes haven't got to the chickens, the chickens are laying like crazy and they're running energetically around their extremely large pen like animated feather dusters, watched from a respectful distance by the dogs. *Works for us. *And them. A cat went through my electric fence yesterday. It was just out of sight of the camera unfortunately but I could see the lower wires moving as it did so. It was acting alarmed as if being chased by something and ended up just visible on the fence. Doug. |
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