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Government scheme could benifit you?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote:
Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". -- Cheers Dave. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote: Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". Not that I can see. My assumption is that the 'standard methodology' will be comparable to ISO 9000 - which is a standing joke in the communities that have to comply with it. ALL that it requires is that there be a procedure and that procedure is followed. Test object. Tick. Ignore result of test. Tick. State that object conforms to requirements. Tick. Pass conformance document to customer. Tick. Hey presto - ISO 9000! Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
"harryagain" wrote
Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...reen_deal.aspx Needing something done to improve my home energy wise I thought I would wander around that site. What an appalling piece of rubbish it is. It tells you lots about nothing, gives you no links to the information you need, in fact it's all waffle and no substance. Reads to me like people trying to justify their jobs. -- Regards. Bob Hobden. Posted to this Newsgroup from the W of London, UK |
Government scheme could benifit you?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:18:44 -0000, Janet wrote:
I don't know about England but in Scotland property owners can get a free energy survey (building and lifestyle, energy and car use, recycling etc) and big subsidies for insulating loft, cavity walls, doors etc. Sounds like Warm Front but that is tied in with being on certain benefits or old. The average working family doesn't qualify for any grants, not sure if they can get an energy survey done for free. Warm Front also only does the easy things like cavity wall and loft. It doesn't do anyting for properties with solid walls. I did see a few words in several pages of that quango speak that did mention the harder to improve properties: "The key focus of the new energy company obligation - or "ECO" will be on those householders who cannot achieve significant energy savings without an additional or different measure of support. For example, this includes vulnerable and low-income households and those living in harder to treat properties, such as solid walled properties." This Green Deal is also a "spread the cost" scheme rather than a grant. The savings made by improved insulation should offset the increase in bills, in theory. No a very big or nice looking carrot IMHO. Why bother with it if there is no nett saving? -- Cheers Dave. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:18:44 -0000, Janet wrote:
In article o.uk, says... On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote: Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". I don't know about England but in Scotland property owners can get a free energy survey (building and lifestyle, energy and car use, recycling etc) and big subsidies for insulating loft, cavity walls, doors etc. Paid for, no doubt, via the Barnett Formula. -- Frank Erskine |
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The loan for the insulation is against the house, not against you, so if you sell the property, then the new owner's fuel savings are still being channeled away to pay the outstanding loan on the insulation. Presumably at some time in the future, the insulation will be paid for and some future owner of the house will start getting the benefit of the fuel savings. You would also want to take a good look at restrictions on who can do the work. The laudable aim to make sure the work is done to good standards sometimes means that you're tied to large national firms and you can't use the local firm who you know and trust. I've seen some suggestion that future payments for people to instal solar panels will only be given if the house has already been insulated to approved standards. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
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says... On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:18:44 -0000, Janet wrote: I don't know about England but in Scotland property owners can get a free energy survey (building and lifestyle, energy and car use, recycling etc) and big subsidies for insulating loft, cavity walls, doors etc. Sounds like Warm Front Nope. https://www.government-grants.co.uk/...-grants.shtml? gclid=CJ230ZqD8K0CFcEntAodZTu7tA The average working family doesn't qualify for any grants, wrong, see above. This covers Britain. quote "(The criteria for loft insulation grants also apply to cavity wall insulation. You need make only one enquiry.) ALL home owner/occupiers and private tenants are now eligible for grant funding of 50% - 100% towards the cost of loft insulation." Grants for loft insulation, of around 50% and above, are available for all home owners and private tenants - whatever your income - and of 100% if you satisfy the eligibility criteria." The savings made by improved insulation should offset the increase in bills, in theory. No a very big or nice looking carrot IMHO. Why bother with it if there is no nett saving? Once the householder has recouped the initial outlay (if any), their reductions in fuel bills (personal economic benefit) continue year on year. So does the reduction in energy wastage and environmental damage, a national benefit. Janet |
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says... On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:18:44 -0000, Janet wrote: In article o.uk, says... On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote: Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". I don't know about England but in Scotland property owners can get a free energy survey (building and lifestyle, energy and car use, recycling etc) and big subsidies for insulating loft, cavity walls, doors etc. Paid for, no doubt, via the Barnett Formula. It's a nationwide scheme covering the whole of Britain.Every householder, owner or tenenat, qualifies for at least a 50% grant. http://www.government-grants.co.uk/b...-grants-still- unclaimed.shtml July 2011 "According to the New Policy Institute, there are over 5 million households in the UK that could claim free insulation grants, saving typically £260 a year on their energy bills, only 12% have actually applied for grants for loft and cavity wall insulation. As energy prices continue to rise, it's claimed that millions of UK householders may struggle needlessly to stay warm this coming winter despite help being offered by local government and energy companies. 47% of people asked did not think that they would qualify for insulation grants whilst the rest did not know the grants existed or did not want assistance. Mark Smith from the Government Grants website said "As energy costs rise at unprecedented rates and records are also being set for cold winters, it seems madness that people are not taking advantage of these grants" Currently insulation grants of between 50% and 100% are offered to ALL UK home owners depending on their location and circumstances." end quote Janet. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:23:07 -0000, Janet wrote:
In article o.uk, says... On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 23:18:44 -0000, Janet wrote: I don't know about England but in Scotland property owners can get a free energy survey (building and lifestyle, energy and car use, recycling etc) and big subsidies for insulating loft, cavity walls, doors etc. Sounds like Warm Front Nope. https://www.government-grants.co.uk/...-grants.shtml? gclid=CJ230ZqD8K0CFcEntAodZTu7tA The average working family doesn't qualify for any grants, wrong, see above. This covers Britain. quote "(The criteria for loft insulation grants also apply to cavity wall insulation. You need make only one enquiry.) ALL home owner/occupiers and private tenants are now eligible for grant funding of 50% - 100% towards the cost of loft insulation." Grants for loft insulation, of around 50% and above, are available for all home owners and private tenants - whatever your income - and of 100% if you satisfy the eligibility criteria." Note the weasal words "satisfy the eligibility criteria". Go to the warmfront site and you will find this: "The scheme is now targeted at people on certain income-related benefits and living in properties that are poorly insulated and/or do not have a working central heating system. You must own your home or rent it from a private landlord. The Warm Front scheme is only available in England. Other schemes are available in the rest of the UK (see ‘More useful links’)." I'm more inclined to believe the government site, rather than one that tries to pass itself off as a government site. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
On Jan 26, 9:22*pm, wrote:
In article o.uk, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote: Green *deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". Not that I can see. *My assumption is that the 'standard methodology' will be comparable to ISO 9000 - which is a standing joke in the communities that have to comply with it. *ALL that it requires is that there be a procedure and that procedure is followed. *Test object. *Tick. *Ignore result of test. *Tick. *State that object conforms to requirements. *Tick. *Pass conformance document to customer. *Tick. *Hey presto - ISO 9000! Regards, Nick Maclaren. Does 9000 not require the procedure to be identified? |
Government scheme could benifit you?
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thirty-six wrote: On Jan 26, 9:22 pm, wrote: In article o.uk, Dave Liquorice wrote: On Thu, 26 Jan 2012 10:56:15 -0000, harryagain wrote: Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...ng/green_deal/ green_deal.aspx F.knows is there anything but quango speak there? I can't find anything that says what is actually on offer, only wibble about the administration and "safe guards". Not that I can see. My assumption is that the 'standard methodology' will be comparable to ISO 9000 - which is a standing joke in the communities that have to comply with it. ALL that it requires is that there be a procedure and that procedure is followed. Test object. Tick. Ignore result of test. Tick. State that object conforms to requirements. Tick. Pass conformance document to customer. Tick. Hey presto - ISO 9000! Does 9000 not require the procedure to be identified? Yes. As in the example I gave. It does not require it to make any sense, or even be relevant. Any competent purchaser of an ISO 9000 compliant product demands to see the procedure before taking any notice of the claim, but you need to know quite a lot to be able to judge a good procedure from a bad one. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Government scheme could benifit you?
"kay" wrote in message ... 'Dave Liquorice[_3_ Wrote: ;948440'] This Green Deal is also a "spread the cost" scheme rather than a grant. The savings made by improved insulation should offset the increase in bills, in theory. No a very big or nice looking carrot IMHO. Why bother with it if there is no nett saving? As I understand it, you get "free" insulation, but all the reductions in fuel bills as a result of the insulation are channeled off to pay the for the insulation. The loan for the insulation is against the house, not against you, so if you sell the property, then the new owner's fuel savings are still being channeled away to pay the outstanding loan on the insulation. Presumably at some time in the future, the insulation will be paid for and some future owner of the house will start getting the benefit of the fuel savings. You would also want to take a good look at restrictions on who can do the work. The laudable aim to make sure the work is done to good standards sometimes means that you're tied to large national firms and you can't use the local firm who you know and trust. I've seen some suggestion that future payments for people to instal solar panels will only be given if the house has already been insulated to approved standards. -- kay Not sure what the name of the scheme is but EDF have just installed 10" of insulation on top of what we had for free, no strings attached, most impressed as I didn't have to do it! and we don't even buy our electricity from them. -- Charlie, Gardening in Cornwall Holders of National Collections of Clematis viticella and Lapageria rosea cvs http://www.roselandhouse.co.uk |
Government scheme could benifit you?
"Bob Hobden" wrote in message ... "harryagain" wrote Green deal. http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cm...reen_deal.aspx Needing something done to improve my home energy wise I thought I would wander around that site. What an appalling piece of rubbish it is. It tells you lots about nothing, gives you no links to the information you need, in fact it's all waffle and no substance. That'll be because it isn't actually available yet Reads to me like people trying to justify their jobs. Isn't that what politicians always do tim |
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