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Barbed Wire and the law
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:53:39 -0800 (PST), RJS wrote:
My garden backs onto woodland owned by my Local Authority. The sole barrier between the garden and the woodland is an old Beech hedge which has become very thin at the bottom and no longer provides a reliable obstruction to dogs and, possibly, a determined intruder. My plan is to build a fence as close to the rootline as practicable using Metposts, wooden posts and wire netting to the keep the dogs out. What about the human element? snip Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out. Any views about the use of the barbed wire or alternatives? Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. -- Cheers Dave. |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 3:19*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. -- Cheers Dave. Hello Dave Under-planting was my original (and preferred) thought. But, as you rightly observe, the foot of a 12' Beech hedge isn't the most fertile of locations. I could tempt some of the vicious Blackberries which grow in the woodland into the hedge but that's not terribly desirable. Rgds Richard |
Barbed Wire and the law
"RJS" wrote in message news:32587c44-0204-4482-9d57- Under-planting was my original (and preferred) thought. But, as you rightly observe, the foot of a 12' Beech hedge isn't the most fertile of locations. I could tempt some of the vicious Blackberries which grow in the woodland into the hedge but that's not terribly desirable. Pyracantha, which is also an evergreen will grow almost anywhere and is even more prickly then barbed wire or the netting you need is called chainlink, it even keeps Badgers out! - |
Barbed Wire and the law
On 15/02/2012 15:36, RJS wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:19 pm, "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. -- Cheers Dave. Hello Dave Under-planting was my original (and preferred) thought. But, as you rightly observe, the foot of a 12' Beech hedge isn't the most fertile of locations. I could tempt some of the vicious Blackberries which grow in the woodland into the hedge but that's not terribly desirable. Rgds What about dog roses? You could get cuttings at the same time as blackberry cuttings and just stick them in the ground. There shouldn't be any problems with either rooting successfully. -- Jeff |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 3:36*pm, RJS wrote:
On Feb 15, 3:19*pm, "Dave Liquorice" wrote: Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. -- Cheers Dave. Hello Dave Under-planting was my original (and preferred) thought. *But, as you rightly observe, the foot of a 12' Beech hedge isn't the most fertile of locations. *I could tempt some of the vicious Blackberries which grow in the woodland into the hedge but that's not terribly desirable. Rgds Richard Nothing much will grow under a hedge. Too dark, infertile and dry. |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 4:36*pm, "Mark" wrote:
Pyracantha, which is also an evergreen will grow almost anywhere and is even more prickly then barbed wire or the netting you need is called chainlink, it even keeps Badgers out! - Pyracantha is a good point. I think tho' that a few, helpful contributors are forgetting that this fence is being inserted into an existing Beech hedge that is 12' high and about 8' deep on the woodland side. Richard |
Barbed Wire and the law
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Barbed Wire and the law
On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 15:19:11 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:53:39 -0800 (PST), RJS wrote: My garden backs onto woodland owned by my Local Authority. The sole barrier between the garden and the woodland is an old Beech hedge which has become very thin at the bottom and no longer provides a reliable obstruction to dogs and, possibly, a determined intruder. My plan is to build a fence as close to the rootline as practicable using Metposts, wooden posts and wire netting to the keep the dogs out. What about the human element? snip Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out. Any views about the use of the barbed wire or alternatives? Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. You can use barbed wire but it must be entirely out of reach of any 'innocent' contact - think children, elderly or blind. |
Barbed Wire and the law
"Mark" wrote in message ... "RJS" wrote in message news:32587c44-0204-4482-9d57- Under-planting was my original (and preferred) thought. But, as you rightly observe, the foot of a 12' Beech hedge isn't the most fertile of locations. I could tempt some of the vicious Blackberries which grow in the woodland into the hedge but that's not terribly desirable. Pyracantha, which is also an evergreen will grow almost anywhere and is even more prickly then barbed wire or the netting you need is called chainlink, it even keeps Badgers out! Mahonia is pretty vicious too! Bill |
Barbed Wire and the law
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:53:39 -0800 (PST), RJS wrote: My garden backs onto woodland owned by my Local Authority. The sole barrier between the garden and the woodland is an old Beech hedge which has become very thin at the bottom and no longer provides a reliable obstruction to dogs and, possibly, a determined intruder. My plan is to build a fence as close to the rootline as practicable using Metposts, wooden posts and wire netting to the keep the dogs out. What about the human element? snip Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out. Any views about the use of the barbed wire or alternatives? Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. Beat me to it :-) One thing - general pruning advice may be best practice but then again sometimes you 'just have to hack' and often the plant survives. So is there a faster way to regenerate a mature beech hedge than about 16 years of laborious cutting back? I am getting a bit confused between the OP's two strategies - lots of small cut backs or " Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out." Most of the suggestions about hacking back the external side and then putting up the fence there seem to have been rejected because of a "1' per year" rule. How far do you have to cut back (down?) to encourage the bottom to regenerate, how long is this likely to take to grow back to an acceptable height (2m+?) and is it perhaps more effective just to grub the old hedge out and replant, possibly with a more aggressive hedge? Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") |
Barbed Wire and the law
Janet wrote:
Don't waste your money. It won't deter any determined human and dogs won't try to jump over a fenced hedge. But it can do nasty damage to innocent/accidental human or dog contact. I had a dog jump over barbed wire at 2am and sever his penis. It was a right old game because I had to assist the vet do the repair. I'd rather watch a woman give birth to twins than watch a needle sew a penis back on. Bill |
Barbed Wire and the law
Fuschia wrote:
You can use barbed wire but it must be entirely out of reach of any 'innocent' contact - think children, elderly or blind. We can't run the world on that basis! Such categories of person should be heavily supervised. Bill |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 10:16*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:53:39 -0800 (PST), RJS wrote: My garden backs onto woodland owned by my Local Authority. *The sole barrier between the garden and the woodland is an old Beech hedge which has become very thin at the bottom and no longer provides a reliable obstruction to dogs and, possibly, a determined intruder. My plan is to build a fence as close to the rootline as practicable using Metposts, wooden posts and wire netting to the keep the dogs out. *What about the human element? snip Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out. Any views about the use of the barbed wire or alternatives? Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. Beat me to it :-) One thing - general pruning advice may be best practice but then again sometimes you 'just have to hack' and often the plant survives. So is there a faster way to regenerate a mature beech hedge than about 16 years of laborious cutting back? I am getting a bit confused between the OP's two strategies - lots of small cut backs or " Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out." Most of the suggestions about hacking back the external side and then putting up the fence there seem to have been rejected because of a "1' per year" rule. In the dormant state, before spring budding, deciduous trees can be heavily cut back, usually back to a 1/3 will generate the most side growth as long as the trees are exposed. As long as this procedure is not repeated within around 5 years, the root system will not diminish and the trees will flourish with much denser cover. How far do you have to cut back (down?) to encourage the bottom to regenerate, how long is this likely to take to grow back to an acceptable height (2m+?) and is it perhaps more effective just to grub the old hedge out and replant, possibly with a more aggressive hedge? The correct method would be to get a professional hedge-layer in in the autumn. |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 7:12*pm, Janet wrote:
* *I'd use stockfence posts hammered straight into the ground, rylock stock fencing to exclude dogs/people rather than wire netting.It is much more robust; and cheaper iirc (from an agricultural fencing contractor). You will need a larger strainer post at each end/corner. If you want to keep out rabbits, attach wire netting to the rylock. * *When we came here the only boundary between us and the sheep meadow, was a very gappy hawthorn hedge.. keeping dog in/sheep and hares out was essential so we used wooden fencing posts (no metposts) rylock and rabbity netting. Any views about the use of the barbed wire * Don't waste your money. It won't deter any determined human and dogs won't try to jump over a fenced hedge. But it can do nasty damage to innocent/accidental human or dog contact. * *Janet Thanks Janet The dogs go through the gaps at the bottom of the hedge, so the netting is a low-level obstruction for them. Unfortunately I can't get the swing to hammer posts into the ground, hence the Metposts. Richard |
Barbed Wire and the law
On Feb 15, 10:16*pm, "David WE Roberts" wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message ll.co.uk... On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:53:39 -0800 (PST), RJS wrote: My garden backs onto woodland owned by my Local Authority. *The sole barrier between the garden and the woodland is an old Beech hedge which has become very thin at the bottom and no longer provides a reliable obstruction to dogs and, possibly, a determined intruder. My plan is to build a fence as close to the rootline as practicable using Metposts, wooden posts and wire netting to the keep the dogs out. *What about the human element? snip Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out. Any views about the use of the barbed wire or alternatives? Under plant with something nice a prickly? Finding something that will grow under a Beech hedge might be interesting. uk.rec.gardening added. Beat me to it :-) One thing - general pruning advice may be best practice but then again sometimes you 'just have to hack' and often the plant survives. So is there a faster way to regenerate a mature beech hedge than about 16 years of laborious cutting back? I am getting a bit confused between the OP's two strategies - lots of small cut backs or " Once I have secured the barrier I can cut the hedge back ruthlessly which will encourage it to bush out." Most of the suggestions about hacking back the external side and then putting up the fence there seem to have been rejected because of a "1' per year" rule. How far do you have to cut back (down?) to encourage the bottom to regenerate, how long is this likely to take to grow back to an acceptable height (2m+?) and is it perhaps more effective just to grub the old hedge out and replant, possibly with a more aggressive hedge? Cheers Dave R -- No plan survives contact with the enemy. [Not even bunny] Helmuth von Moltke the Elder (\__/) (='.'=) (")_(") Hello Dave Sorry to confuse over the pruning strategy. I have no intention of doing anything more than cutting back by 1' per year on alternate sides unless I'm advised differently by someone who can support their assertions to the contrary! Richard |
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