|
The fieldfare tree
I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could
identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina |
The fieldfare tree
On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote:
I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
The fieldfare tree
"Spider" wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina |
The fieldfare tree
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
Crataegus is a large genus. There are crataegus with no lobes on their leaves and no thorns, C. crus-galli var inermis for example, but I don't envy someone trying to identify a specific crataegus. |
The fieldfare tree
"Christina Websell" wrote in message ... "Spider" wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina |
The fieldfare tree
On 08/05/2012 17:17, Christina Websell wrote:
"Christina wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina Thanks Tina, that's a lot more information to go on. Alas, I can't find your original post where you described the fruit (I think you said larger than haws on basic Crataegus, but smaller than crab apples). Red?. Also, do you remember any autumn leaf colour which might be significant? I'm about to make a cup of tea and curl up with a gardening book or two, so I'll see what I can find out. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
The fieldfare tree
On 09/05/2012 17:24, Spider wrote:
On 08/05/2012 17:17, Christina Websell wrote: "Christina wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina Thanks Tina, that's a lot more information to go on. Alas, I can't find your original post where you described the fruit (I think you said larger than haws on basic Crataegus, but smaller than crab apples). Red?. Also, do you remember any autumn leaf colour which might be significant? I'm about to make a cup of tea and curl up with a gardening book or two, so I'll see what I can find out. Sorry to respond to my own post, but I think I *may* have found your tree. Certainly, it's the nearest thing so far. It is called the Chinese Crab or Malus spectabilis (Ait.) Borkh. My book describes it thus: "A decorative tree from China where it was found in cultivation, but not in the wild. Height to 9 metres (30ft). Flowers are usually profuse, opening in late April and May; each is about 5cm (2in) across when fully open, 6-8 in a cluster. Fruit is round, yellow, about 2.5cm (1in) across. Leaves are oval or almost round , about 5-7.5cm (2-3in) long, round at the base, and pointed at the tip. Bark is dark brown with fine ridges, often spiralled, and breaking into scales." [The book is: *Trees in Britain* Europe and North America by Roger Phillips. The ISBN is 0-330-25480-4]. It is a large format glossy wipeable softback. I know there are fewer flowers per cluster than you have described, but that may be changeable. The bark description and picture were what got me excited. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
The fieldfare tree
"Spider" wrote in message ... On 08/05/2012 17:17, Christina Websell wrote: "Christina wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina Thanks Tina, that's a lot more information to go on. Alas, I can't find your original post where you described the fruit (I think you said larger than haws on basic Crataegus, but smaller than crab apples). Red?. Yes, just like haws but bigger. Also, do you remember any autumn leaf colour which might be significant? No, but I will look at this tree in autumn. I'm about to make a cup of tea and curl up with a gardening book or two, so I'll see what I can find out. Thanks. |
The fieldfare tree
"Spider" wrote in message ... On 09/05/2012 17:24, Spider wrote: On 08/05/2012 17:17, Christina Websell wrote: "Christina wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina Thanks Tina, that's a lot more information to go on. Alas, I can't find your original post where you described the fruit (I think you said larger than haws on basic Crataegus, but smaller than crab apples). Red?. Also, do you remember any autumn leaf colour which might be significant? I'm about to make a cup of tea and curl up with a gardening book or two, so I'll see what I can find out. Sorry to respond to my own post, but I think I *may* have found your tree. Certainly, it's the nearest thing so far. It is called the Chinese Crab or Malus spectabilis (Ait.) Borkh. My book describes it thus: "A decorative tree from China where it was found in cultivation, but not in the wild. Height to 9 metres (30ft). Flowers are usually profuse, opening in late April and May; each is about 5cm (2in) across when fully open, 6-8 in a cluster. Fruit is round, yellow, about 2.5cm (1in) across. Leaves are oval or almost round , about 5-7.5cm (2-3in) long, round at the base, and pointed at the tip. Bark is dark brown with fine ridges, often spiralled, and breaking into scales." [The book is: *Trees in Britain* Europe and North America by Roger Phillips. The ISBN is 0-330-25480-4]. It is a large format glossy wipeable softback. I know there are fewer flowers per cluster than you have described, but that may be changeable. The bark description and picture were what got me excited. I think you are the wrong track here. The fruits are red, and the clusters of blossom are far more than 6-8. I only counted the ones I could see, but they were all cluster of 18 at least all up the branches. Tina -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
The fieldfare tree
On 09/05/2012 23:31, Christina Websell wrote:
wrote in message ... On 09/05/2012 17:24, Spider wrote: On 08/05/2012 17:17, Christina Websell wrote: "Christina wrote in message ... wrote in message ... On 07/05/2012 22:03, Christina Websell wrote: I promised Spider I would look at it in the Spring to see if we could identify it. It has apple-like leaves. It has buds that are flushed red and opens into white blossom with five large petals, in bunches. It has a bark like a hawthorn, and is similar in shape and size for a 30 yr old hawthorn. It has fruit similar to hawthorn, but not the same. Whatever it is the fieldfares loved it. I would really like to know what it is. Tina Hi Tina, Glad I saw this. I don't suppose there's any chance of a photo, is there? It might help to see the blossom, if it's still in tact. I'm finding it hard to imagine a tree with hawthorn bark, but apple leaves and flowers. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay My camera is out of order atm. The tree has far more blossom on than an apple tree would have, it's covered, but going over now.. I'll have another look at it tomorrow, btw it doesn't have thorns, and not much of a spread. I'll try and estimate the height by standing next to it. Tina It's around 20 ft high and the spread at the top of the tree is maybe around 15 ft. The bunches of blossoms are up to 18 flowers in a bunch (the ones I can see lower in the tree) and all the way up the branches and they are almost as big, petal-wise, as apple. It's a mature tree i.e. it looks pretty much the same as when I moved here 26 years ago. I confirm the bark is like hawthorn. Does that help? I don't have a clue what it can be. Tina Thanks Tina, that's a lot more information to go on. Alas, I can't find your original post where you described the fruit (I think you said larger than haws on basic Crataegus, but smaller than crab apples). Red?. Also, do you remember any autumn leaf colour which might be significant? I'm about to make a cup of tea and curl up with a gardening book or two, so I'll see what I can find out. Sorry to respond to my own post, but I think I *may* have found your tree. Certainly, it's the nearest thing so far. It is called the Chinese Crab or Malus spectabilis (Ait.) Borkh. My book describes it thus: "A decorative tree from China where it was found in cultivation, but not in the wild. Height to 9 metres (30ft). Flowers are usually profuse, opening in late April and May; each is about 5cm (2in) across when fully open, 6-8 in a cluster. Fruit is round, yellow, about 2.5cm (1in) across. Leaves are oval or almost round , about 5-7.5cm (2-3in) long, round at the base, and pointed at the tip. Bark is dark brown with fine ridges, often spiralled, and breaking into scales." [The book is: *Trees in Britain* Europe and North America by Roger Phillips. The ISBN is 0-330-25480-4]. It is a large format glossy wipeable softback. I know there are fewer flowers per cluster than you have described, but that may be changeable. The bark description and picture were what got me excited. I think you are the wrong track here. The fruits are red, and the clusters of blossom are far more than 6-8. I only counted the ones I could see, but they were all cluster of 18 at least all up the branches. Tina What a shame! It is, however, encouraging that there is a Malus type tree with something approaching Hawthorn bark. The only Malus I found with anything like the amount of blossom yours carries is M. van Eseltine, but the blossom is pink and semi-double *and* the bark is typical Malus as far as I can see. Oh, and I think the fruits may be yellow, so not much help. I'll keep working on it. -- Spider from high ground in SE London gardening on clay |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:28 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
GardenBanter