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Vinegar as weedkiller
We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The
Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On 10/05/2012 10:00, Bertie Doe wrote:
We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat 100% pure glacial acetic acid will work even better. ;-) You do realise that cheap "white vinegar" *is* a simple chemical made in an *industrial* process and diluted don't you? Some of the cheap and nasty brown supermarket vinegar is also the latter plus a brown dye. I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie This particular piece of kitchen sink chemistry is harmless and won't get you into serious trouble, nor will it kill many weeds. You would probably get better results clubbing them to death with the bottle! It will work after a fashion, but you would be a lot better off using a proper chemical like glyphosate that was intended to to kill plants. Dandelions roots are most easily extracted with a 12" screwdriver rather than any of these fancy expensive tools sold for the purpose. I saw a dedicated one at a garden centre for £30 recently. Mega rip-off! -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On Thu, 10 May 2012 10:00:48 +0100, "Bertie Doe"
wrote: We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie My mother used it a lot. I use it with slat to get rid of the grass that grows between my stone flags. Steve -- Neural Network Software. http://www.npsl1.com EasyNN-plus. Neural Networks plus. http://www.easynn.com SwingNN. Forecast with Neural Networks. http://www.swingnn.com JustNN. Just Neural Networks. http://www.justnn.com |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On 5/10/2012 5:00 AM, Bertie Doe wrote:
We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie My mother used vinegar as a weedkiller. |
Vinegar as weedkiller
Martin Brown wrote:
On 10/05/2012 10:00, Bertie Doe wrote: We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat 100% pure glacial acetic acid will work even better. ;-) You do realise that cheap "white vinegar" *is* a simple chemical made in an *industrial* process and diluted don't you? Some of the cheap and nasty brown supermarket vinegar is also the latter plus a brown dye. I'd be interested to know of a form of everyday matter that isn't a chemical. Ian |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On 10/05/2012 21:39, Ian B wrote:
Martin Brown wrote: On 10/05/2012 10:00, Bertie Doe wrote: We are not alone. It's encouraging to know that our gardeners across The Pond, suffer from the Dandelion Menace:- http://preview.tinyurl.com/c9uybat 100% pure glacial acetic acid will work even better. ;-) You do realise that cheap "white vinegar" *is* a simple chemical made in an *industrial* process and diluted don't you? Some of the cheap and nasty brown supermarket vinegar is also the latter plus a brown dye. I'd be interested to know of a form of everyday matter that isn't a chemical. It is a fact entirely lost on the target market of worried well that buy overpriced and vastly overpackaged Organic(TM) tat in supermarkets. Fear of "chemicals" is now a major marketing ploy in overpriced food. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Vinegar as weedkiller
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... I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie This particular piece of kitchen sink chemistry is harmless and won't get you into serious trouble, nor will it kill many weeds. You would probably get better results clubbing them to death with the bottle! It will work after a fashion, but you would be a lot better off using a proper chemical like glyphosate that was intended to to kill plants. Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, (2) Glyphosate has been removed from the retail market, but household vinegar (5% acetic acid) is an effective weed killer on our gravel driveway. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
Vinegar as weedkiller
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Don Phillipson wrote: Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, Er, that's no different to the UK, except in favoured spots! The reason for our short growing season is as much light as temperature, but 8-9 months matches a lot of the UK. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
Vinegar as weedkiller
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Martin wrote: On Sun, 13 May 2012 09:49:32 -0400, "Don Phillipson" wrote: Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, (2) Glyphosate has been removed from the retail market, but household vinegar (5% acetic acid) is an effective weed killer on our gravel driveway. The Dutch were in the process of banning the use of Glyphosate by private users. The legislation was delayed because the definition of private user was inadequate. In the meant time the coalition collapsed. It is odd legislation because if anybody is in contact with enough Glyphosate to cause health problems it is more likely to be commercial users. That happened with benomyl, which is teratogenic, with tragic results to a few young women who worked in the humid tunnels used commercially, which used the stuff excessively. So the UK banned it for private use only, while keeping the reason secret. I assert that, as a 64 year old male, I am unlikely to give birth and therefore am not at risk. No matter - I am protected, but the young women who were tragically affected are not. Regards, Nick Maclaren. |
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Vinegar as weedkiller
On 13/05/2012 14:49, Don Phillipson wrote:
"Martin wrote in message ... I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie This particular piece of kitchen sink chemistry is harmless and won't get you into serious trouble, nor will it kill many weeds. You would probably get better results clubbing them to death with the bottle! It will work after a fashion, but you would be a lot better off using a proper chemical like glyphosate that was intended to to kill plants. Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, (2) Glyphosate has been removed from the retail market, but That is complete madness. Of all the available weedkillers today glyphosate is about the least dangerous to handle that there is. The wetting agents used in the commercial formulations are more dangerous than the active ingredient. household vinegar (5% acetic acid) is an effective weed killer on our gravel driveway. I find that very hard to believe. On limestone gravel it will be netralised on contact. It might just about work on a good day in full sun on particularly feeble weeds. -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On 14/05/2012 09:06, Martin Brown wrote:
On 13/05/2012 14:49, Don Phillipson wrote: "Martin wrote in message ... I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie This particular piece of kitchen sink chemistry is harmless and won't get you into serious trouble, nor will it kill many weeds. You would probably get better results clubbing them to death with the bottle! It will work after a fashion, but you would be a lot better off using a proper chemical like glyphosate that was intended to to kill plants. Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, (2) Glyphosate has been removed from the retail market, but That is complete madness. Of all the available weedkillers today glyphosate is about the least dangerous to handle that there is. The wetting agents used in the commercial formulations are more dangerous than the active ingredient. household vinegar (5% acetic acid) is an effective weed killer on our gravel driveway. I find that very hard to believe. On limestone gravel it will be netralised on contact. It might just about work on a good day in full sun on particularly feeble weeds. Should fizz nicely too |
Vinegar as weedkiller
On 14/05/2012 10:58, Martin wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2012 09:06:30 +0100, Martin Brown wrote: On 13/05/2012 14:49, Don Phillipson wrote: "Martin wrote in message ... I've got a couple of pints of elderly pickling vinegar in the shed. When the weather clears, I'll brush them on. Anyone tried it as a weedkiller? Bertie This particular piece of kitchen sink chemistry is harmless and won't get you into serious trouble, nor will it kill many weeds. You would probably get better results clubbing them to death with the bottle! It will work after a fashion, but you would be a lot better off using a proper chemical like glyphosate that was intended to to kill plants. Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where (1) The growing season is only 8 or 9 months per year, (2) Glyphosate has been removed from the retail market, but That is complete madness. Of all the available weedkillers today glyphosate is about the least dangerous to handle that there is. The wetting agents used in the commercial formulations are more dangerous than the active ingredient. According to the Dutch government there is evidence that glyphosate causes degenerative damage to the nervous system leading to things like Parkinson's disease (The results of a study made in Shanghai The only reports I can find of this are on Organic(TM) crank sites and anti-Monsanto sites. Whilst there might be something in it I am more inclined to view it as scaremongering hype by all the usual suspects. I am no fan of Monsanto, but you do have to view these green pressure groups with suspicion or you will starve to death organically. University). There is also evidence of a build up of glyphosate in the ground water. In a country where the runoff nitrate pollution levels in groundwater make it dangerous for to drink you would think they could at least target the primary polluters. Glyphosate degrades in the environment pretty fast and it is unusual for it not to bind to soils. The only thing holding up legislation banning it for private users was the need to tighten up the system for registering commercial users. Legislation should be completed in the next couple of months. It is the commercial users spraying of Roundup-Ready Monsanto crops that are the problem with overuse of glyphosate. Domestic quantities pale into insignificance by comparison. Don't shoot the messenger! Why not? -- Regards, Martin Brown |
Vinegar as weedkiller
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says... On 13/05/2012 14:49, Don Phillipson wrote: Conditions are obviously different in Ontario, Canada, where household vinegar (5% acetic acid) is an effective weed killer on our gravel driveway. I find that very hard to believe. On limestone gravel it will be netralised on contact. It might just about work on a good day in full sun on particularly feeble weeds. Just a guess; wouldn't sub-zero winter soil temps in Ontario probably kill any shallow rooted annual and perennial weeds on a gravel drive (laid over a solid subbase, and kept clear of insulating snow). So in the growing season there would only be newly germinated seedlings which are very vulnerable. Janet |
Vinegar as weedkiller
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says... On 14/05/2012 10:58, Martin wrote: According to the Dutch government there is evidence that glyphosate causes degenerative damage to the nervous system leading to things like Parkinson's disease (The results of a study made in Shanghai The only reports I can find of this are on Organic(TM) crank sites and anti-Monsanto sites. Martin may be referring to A 2011 case study published in the journal Parkinsonism Related Disorders, entitled "Parkinsonism after chronic occupational exposure to glyphosate," Parkinsonism Relat Disord. 2011 Jul;17(6):486-7. Epub 2011 Mar 2. PMID: 21367645 Author(s): Gang Wang, Xiao-Ning Fan, Yu-Yan Tan, Qi Cheng, Sheng-Di Chen Department of Neurology&Institute of Neurology, Ruijin Hospital affiliated to Shanghai Jiaotong University School of Medicine, Shanghai 200025, China. or an article published in the journal of Neurotoxicology and Teratology published this month (April, 2012), entitled "Glyphosate induced cell death through apoptotic and authophagic mechanisms" Janet |
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